Brimsurfer wrote: »

And people who like to play with fewer skills, just don't slot any more skills in your skill bar and give yourself all the challenge you like, that solves your problem for you. I don't see any reason for you guys to be upset. But the rest of us who like to have access to more skills should have that access.

These kinds of statesments get me. Have you EVER played WOW or RIFT or any game that had numerous hotbars. Your gonna tell me I can play those games and slot 5 abilities and be viable and able to play with others....REALLY........REALLY.

It's 10 days to the end of "Freemonthers Apocalypse" so let's hold on and don't waste time with a kid? Pretty please?

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Brimsurfer wrote: »

And people who like to play with fewer skills, just don't slot any more skills in your skill bar and give yourself all the challenge you like, that solves your problem for you. I don't see any reason for you guys to be upset. But the rest of us who like to have access to more skills should have that access.

These kinds of statesments get me. Have you EVER played WOW or RIFT or any game that had numerous hotbars. Your gonna tell me I can play those games and slot 5 abilities and be viable and able to play with others....REALLY........REALLY.

I suspect he knows how badly that would gimp the char but he doesn't care so long as he can have MOAR BUTTONZ.

I keep saying it: The game is balanced around 5 abillitys and one ultimate, if I had more buttons I would slot things that have passives that improves something, take the templar aura, combine this with fighters guild circle, and rune focus... you are now hardcapped at Spellresistance, Armor and healthregg, because I am a healer I am hardcapped at magicka regg all the time (it suchs, atm no better items), and softcapped at magicka, now we add ward ally, equilibrium and energy orb, as well as siphon spirit and power of the light to the bars...
because of this, I can regenerate my mana without any caps, and cant die because the ward will get stronger the more health i am losing, and i will always ward myself... I give now two debuffs, one for 40% more dmg+ and one, that regenerates mana and life on hit.
Now I take volcanic run for 4 sec aoe stun, put solar prison and soulmagic alutimate in the bar as well, and while I am doing this I just could take that spear morh that gives a synergy effect, that restores 25% stam on use.
Aoe stun aos stun, focus dmg and more stam for friends? no, i am not done now, lets take 2 charges, 1 blind, 1 spell reflect, the 2 purges and the shield for me, that explodes.... oh and that more than 70% less dmg from spells from light armor line, and unstoppeable from heavy armor, now I am even immun to stuns... and now slot 1hschild abillity for more mitigation, mages guild debuff morph for 5% more health aaaaaand how sounds going for aoe multi target range snare? and healing received decrease by 30% and knockback, more dmg to low health targets? oh, since I cant go out of magicka, I will just use magelight morph for x% more crit for nearly every abbility I wrote till now, because most of them are class abillitys/not weapon abbilitys.
Yeah, sry, with all that availible, I would just solo kill all of the daedric princes, all of them at once^^

I say it again:
The game is balanced around 5 abbilitys 1 ultimate and the weapon swap, if you change that it would be like typing tgm in the console...
even the delay from weapon swap is part of the balancing, you can't even patch that away

Custos91 wrote: »

I keep saying it: The game is balanced around 5 abillitys and one ultimate, if I had more buttons I would slot things that have passives that improves something, take the templar aura, combine this with fighters guild circle, and rune focus... you are now hardcapped at Spellresistance, Armor and healthregg, because I am a healer I am hardcapped at magicka regg all the time (it suchs, atm no better items), and softcapped at magicka, now we add ward ally, equilibrium and energy orb, as well as siphon spirit and power of the light to the bars...
because of this, I can regenerate my mana without any caps, and cant die because the ward will get stronger the more health i am losing, and i will always ward myself... I give now two debuffs, one for 40% more dmg+ and one, that regenerates mana and life on hit.
Now I take volcanic run for 4 sec aoe stun, put solar prison and soulmagic alutimate in the bar as well, and while I am doing this I just could take that spear morh that gives a synergy effect, that restores 25% stam on use.
Aoe stun aos stun, focus dmg and more stam for friends? no, i am not done now, lets take 2 charges, 1 blind, 1 spell reflect, the 2 purges and the shield for me, that explodes.... oh and that more than 70% less dmg from spells from light armor line, and unstoppeable from heavy armor, now I am even immun to stuns... and now slot 1hschild abillity for more mitigation, mages guild debuff morph for 5% more health aaaaaand how sounds going for aoe multi target range snare? and healing received decrease by 30% and knockback, more dmg to low health targets? oh, since I cant go out of magicka, I will just use magelight morph for x% more crit for nearly every abbility I wrote till now, because most of them are class abillitys/not weapon abbilitys.
Yeah, sry, with all that availible, I would just solo kill all of the daedric princes, all of them at once^^

I say it again:
The game is balanced around 5 abbilitys 1 ultimate and the weapon swap, if you change that it would be like typing tgm in the console...
even the delay from weapon swap is part of the balancing, you can't even patch that away

Good point, it would break the game and becomes the equivalent of the 4million damage bows and other weapons on Skyrim that people found how to do.

I've adapted; the longer bar worked fine in WoW and LOTRO.If they don't make changes it would be nice if we at least could have more than two ability profiles; especially since a third makes since for PvE.

Since they have more than one ability profile as an unlock for higher level; maybe they could add additional slots as an unlock for higher levels. Or add a broker to purchase slots from.

Why do people ask this in every action real time MMORPG?
This isnt a hot key based MMO. You cant put every damn skill you can possibly learn and know to activate at once anytime you wish.

its called selection and actually encourages different playstyles
If having limited abiltiies to use at a time but having access to all of them to swap out when you want is bad for you, then action MMO's are not for you.

Its simple.

To paraphrase myself...

'It's in the script!... err... Design!!'

JJDrakken wrote: »

Logic is Flawed.

In TES games, 1. mods can provide more options. 2. Anything you access via menus/favorites/etc... Pause the game allowing you time to think & choose as you see fit.

This game doesn't pause, it's constant so while you try fumble on something to do, stuff is still hitting you in face, because maybe you panicked & forgot what key you changed or is your weapon swap. So you can maybe access that one ability you may or may not need.

Expanded bar allows "MORE" Tactical thinking & options. Even if they refuse to do this, they need the ability pre-build bars, that you can then just key to each of the weapon slots(example 3 bars per slots), that allow you to rotate the bars with a key stroke. Then when you weapon swap, you then can do same with different set of 3.

This allows not only full use of weapon powers, but as well as class/guild/world powers. Allowing you the more options to different ultimates, powers, weapon skills. You'll still have your 2 different weapons, but more options by having a rotating bar of 3 per weapon setup.

An expanded bar eliminates tactics by making every class/build completely generic. Big action bar=stagnant rotation. Period. How has it taken 5 pages for people to get this?

scoupster wrote: »

there are a lot of MMO that have more than 12 skills normally 1 thru = are used and in some cases add alt or ctrl for more slots. but those are computer based. I am sure when they designed the game the conversation came up.

I am sure it went something like, If there are so many skills how are we going make it so the console people can play [snip]

*Buzzer*
Wrong.
Incorrect.
So sorry, but at least you'll be going home with the living room furniture set and the vacation to scenic Phoenix, Arizona. Thanks for playing, and better luck next time!

The design choice had nothing do with consoles. It's an intentional design element that limits your hotbar in order to force you to use tactics and strategy in your loadout.

Anyone aware that NO TES game has ever had a 'hotbar'?? You know, that little detail.

So first of all you get twice as many as the title says.

But, and I must stress that I only read the title. So to answer the question, why only 6/12 skills at a time.

The answer is simple, which is: It is much better than one. Which is what you get in all the other TES games.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Exactly, so why require a weapon swap to access 5 more abilities?

Balance, overall game design, strategy, etc. etc.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Exactly, so why require a weapon swap to access 5 more abilities?

Balance, overall game design, strategy, etc. etc.

I honestly can't see how any of that is affected if I can simply have two of the same weapon equipped and swap between them. Why not just give me ten abilities and be done with it? All this does is add a pointless mechanic.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

I honestly can't see how any of that is affected if I can simply have two of the same weapon equipped and swap between them. Why not just give me ten abilities and be done with it? All this does is add a pointless mechanic.

Can you swap weapons instantly? No. Can you have the exact same weapon equipped in both slots? No.

Ummm....yes? I do right now...same sword, same shield in both slots (craft my own!)...weapon swap is not instant, but like I said, that just adds a pointless mechanic. That's a poor excuse for "tactics"