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Cyrodiil will continue to be limited to 19 sets until Q3 of 2021. Are you in favor?
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ThreeXB✭✭✭✭After nerfing Cyrodiil population cap from 2000 down to about 400, then reduced resource destruction and doors, then keep levels from 5 to 2, then group size from 24 to 12, now proc sets......ZOS PLEASE FIX PVP AND MAKE GREAT AGAIN6 -
orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Woo-hoo! Says the consoles. Though I would prefer a separate campaign like takr non cp one,, or that campaign no one uses but for questing or achievements.0 -
rumple9✭✭✭✭✭
✭To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal20 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal
You can still wear Mythics in Battlegrounds. That's still PVP.7 -
madrab73✭✭✭✭✭So they tried to improve performance by removing proc sets but it made performance worse and so now plan to extend the trial and inflict it on console?11
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madrab73✭✭✭✭✭Right after selling people DLC so they could farm the pay2win staff from the new arena of course.5
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
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No, I was deliberately paraphrasing *ZOS'* claim because whatever the *actual* source of encouragement, *they* stated it was the no-proc ruleset that encouraged higher participation. If they had said it was the double AP modifier that encouraged it and they didn't think the no-proc ruleset had an effect either way, then they could have reverted the no-proc ruleset without making it look like they were walking something back that was a positive for the game overall (in their opinion).
My point was about their caging themselves in with their own words, not what the reality of the situation is.6 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »yeah im all for it.
Just throw out all sets and make sets equalized when entering cyro.
If i'm going to play a game where all the loadouts are standardized, i'll go play one that works thanks.
This is the problem. Balance is better with the set limitations, but performance is worse. We can only guess at how they managed it, but this is the case.
But they even said that performance was not improved by disabling sets...PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -10 -
Jimbob47✭✭For me personally the performance has been the same as before (though my time zone prevents me from playing during "peak PvP hours) but playing has been far more enjoyable with out every second person wearing sets like crimson and unfathomable etc. I will agree that additional sets should be included as proc stat sets are not the issue with proc sets.
I imagine the biggest issue with proc sets for most people is free damage or heals... I mean why was that ever considered a good thing?3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think I will stay longer in Cyro. If something - shorter. No double AP is one thing. The other thing are racial and armour changes. I don't think I have enough resources to transmute & gold (yet again) my gear, because of armour passives changes. Heavy is trash next patch and I would have to do wierd combination of medium / light / heavy just to compensate a bit for penalties. Racial changes are also a big no-no for me (my main is an Argonian). Class balance will be also kinda dead next patch. It will be a flood of Orc Sorcs... brilliant
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UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭I will not play with May magdk in Cyrodill anymore.
But maybe with my stamdk, but we spent time and gold to get sets like Clever Alchemist, NMA, Seventh Legion and now we can't use in Cyrodill???
Zos give us a campaign with no proc sets, so we can use all the sets that we wana and spent years to get.
This decision is a disaster.
REALLY NOT WORTH BE PLUS ANYMORE IF I WILL RUN ONLY ONE SET UP.6 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭I am so AGAINST this decicion. and im pissed off.
They expect us to play with what, 15,19 sets for over half a year when there was no notable performance increase during this test and absolutley no reason why they should leave it like this ??
i want to see this so called "positive feedback".
This decicion is stupid.
ZOS you are hearing a minority of players who play stamina classes spamming Dzswing.
Cyrodill will be dead with 90% stamina players and 10% magsorc.
YOUR DECISION WILL KILL THE PVP.7 -
Roztlin45✭✭✭✭✭To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal
I agree, what is being done is basically trash caning a lot of sets and our freedom to explore new and creative builds. People have spend money and alot.of time farming sets and golding them out. This.is an extremely bad move. Please make a no proc section like no cp and end this nonsense now.Edited by Roztlin45 on March 6, 2021 2:37AM9 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal
You can still wear Mythics in Battlegrounds. That's still PVP.
Also in the IC, which is very much PvP.
The whole, "it would be illegal," bit is also hilariously hyperbolic.1 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal
You can still wear Mythics in Battlegrounds. That's still PVP.
Also in the IC, which is very much PvP.
The whole, "it would be illegal," bit is also hilariously hyperbolic.
Plenty of players prefer Cyrodiil to the other formats for plenty of valid reasons. Those players all lost something tangible form their gameplay experience with these changes.
I personally hate IC because it's almost always dead (in non-CP) and there's no real AvA activity worth playing there - BGs are fun though I'd never want to make that my primary format).
The "illegal" part is overblown but it's also not completely off the mark. Obviously, we all signed away our rights in the ToS but if, say, Nvidia tried to retroactively change their drivers to nerf Bitcoin mining on cards that had already been sold to buyers... they would have a class-action lawsuit on their hands and they would lose it. ZOS is doing the same basic thing to players but, due to the ToS, nobody has a legal leg to stand on.5 -
Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭Anyone who enjoys the challenge of creating their own builds will be leaving this game... enjoy playing against a bunch of modders all wearing the exact same sets.
This is the deathknell. They would have been better resetting PvP to 2017 than going down this generic path7 -
Drakenheim✭✭Per ZOS' comments, the degraded performance is due to the increase in population. Which isn't really any different than poplocked situations right now, since there's a hard limit to the number of players able to enter the same campaign simultaneously. The no-proc condition doesn't allow an alliance to exceed poplock, so what we're seeing is that alliances are poplocked more frequently rather than there being worse performance during poplock.
Having attested to the fact that the no-proc ruleset encourages more people to play, would they then risk saying they were going to re-enable procs and thus intentionally and actively encourage lower populations in Cyro? They have lowered population caps in the past, but they haven't revealed when or by how much for many years now. Openly stating that they are reimplementing rulesets that discourage participation when they have a choice to keep rulesets that encourage participation is another matter and would not look very good at all.
There is no increase in population. I have played at peak times, when all three factions are pop-locked, for 2 years. The queues to get into Cyrodiil are now shorter than I can ever remember, even now - with double AP enabled. Unless the population cap has been raised, this can only indicate that player involvement in Cyrodiil has reduced - quite dramatically. And it is only going to get worse over the next 6 months with these ridiculous restrictions in place.Edited by Drakenheim on March 6, 2021 3:22AM@Izzy_D - PC/EU4 -
Finedaible✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IF the doubled AP points would continue I wouldn't mind too much, since I've already used up resources for new gear and I'd rather it not go to waste. I actually like combat more without all the bull**** procs going off randomly. However I do think it is comically silly that certain 'proc' sets like New Moon, Seducer, Acrobat, War Maiden, Swamp Raider, etc. will be disabled since their effects don't really 'proc' anything, or at least they shouldn't have to since they are only affecting character stats. I don't know how they coded ESO but this seems like a very inefficient way of coding sets.
Whatever they end up doing, they better find some solutions to their screwups by the end of this testing phase though.3 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm having the most fun I've had in Cyrodiil in years right now, maybe the most fun since the first year.
And yet...
And yet, I can't help but think there was some baby in that bathwater."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm largely indifferent. Never liked the PvP in this game because it wasn't developed as its own independent game mode - which it needed to be in order to work well. A small part of me hopes that the developers will now start moving in a direction that more fully separates PvP as a game mode so it can be refined in its own terms to be something I'd actually want to play.1 -
Sangwyne✭✭✭✭✭
✭PvP players: Nerf procs please, they're oppressive and stifling gameplay.
Also PvP players: No, not like that!
Look, can't say I'm particularly pleased with the end result, but this is quite literally what people have been begging ZOS for since ages ago, and you finally got it. Now suddenly people realize it isn't quite what everyone wanted. Should have been more specific. "Proc" is an extremely broad term encompassing pretty much anything that introduces another set of calculations. Even stuff like granting a static Minor Force buff, apparently.5 -
CSose✭✭✭✭PvP players: Nerf procs please, they're oppressive and stifling gameplay.
Also PvP players: No, not like that!
Look, can't say I'm particularly pleased with the end result, but this is quite literally what people have been begging ZOS for since ages ago, and you finally got it. Now suddenly people realize it isn't quite what everyone wanted. Should have been more specific. "Proc" is an extremely broad term encompassing pretty much anything that introduces another set of calculations. Even stuff like granting a static Minor Force buff, apparently.
It's literally NOT what anyone has been asking for.11 -
igormaxbr03✭✭✭Bad ideia the way they are doing only procs that must go away are Vastern iferno staff ,overhelm venomous Crismon syvarras-scales unfathomable-darkness those kind sets that do dmg without play need press a botton or cunsome resource and let Sevent legion NMA all other set in the game if they only let thoses 19 sets i will problably quit the game1
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP players: Nerf procs please, they're oppressive and stifling gameplay.
Also PvP players: No, not like that!
Look, can't say I'm particularly pleased with the end result, but this is quite literally what people have been begging ZOS for since ages ago, and you finally got it. Now suddenly people realize it isn't quite what everyone wanted. Should have been more specific. "Proc" is an extremely broad term encompassing pretty much anything that introduces another set of calculations. Even stuff like granting a static Minor Force buff, apparently.
It's an obvious Monkey's Paw situation - you got your wish but it's not really what was asked for.
Surely the devs are not so out-of-touch that they believed players were actually asking for sets like Automaton or Seducer's to be disqualified. The overwhelming majority of player requests involved problematic sets such as Malacath, Crimson, Unchained Terror, Syvarra's, etc.
The developers can either sit back and laugh at players' misfortune like an evil lamp genie or they can begin to address the spirit of the player complaints and reign in the problematic sets while restoring the rest.Edited by YandereGirlfriend on March 6, 2021 4:25AM15 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »PvP players: Nerf procs please, they're oppressive and stifling gameplay.
Also PvP players: No, not like that!
Look, can't say I'm particularly pleased with the end result, but this is quite literally what people have been begging ZOS for since ages ago, and you finally got it. Now suddenly people realize it isn't quite what everyone wanted. Should have been more specific. "Proc" is an extremely broad term encompassing pretty much anything that introduces another set of calculations. Even stuff like granting a static Minor Force buff, apparently.
It's an obvious Monkey's Paw situation - you got your wish but it's not really what was asked for.
Surely the devs are not so out-of-touch that they believed players were actually asking for sets like Automaton or Seducer's to be disqualified. The overwhelming majority of player requests involved problematic sets such as Malacath, Crimson, Unchained Terror, Syvarra's, etc.
The developers can either sit back and laugh at players' misfortune like an evil lamp genie or they can begin to address the spirit of the player complaints and reign in the problematic sets while restoring the rest.
This.
Once again the devs majorly missed the mark. Hundings spriggans meta for the next 6 months? Erm no thanks.
I get that some people only want Stat sets to work, but thats typically coming from ppl playing the strongest classes anyway.11 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »To be frank this is disgusting. I have bought numerous DLC to be able to grind some of these proc sets specifically for pvp, in additon to hundred of thousands of gold's worth in-game tempers I have used to gold them up, only for zos to disable them in pvp.
Notwithstanding I bought the Greymoor chapter less then 6 months ago simply to get the Mythic items for pvp which are now useless.
If this were any other product rather than a computer game, such sharp business practices would actualy be illegal
You can still wear Mythics in Battlegrounds. That's still PVP.
Also in the IC, which is very much PvP.
The whole, "it would be illegal," bit is also hilariously hyperbolic.
Plenty of players prefer Cyrodiil to...
I'm going to stop you there, as Cyrodiil doesn't have plenty of players. Seriously, we're looking at something like 1m active accounts, and there's room in Crrodiil for a couple hundred per alliance? Maybe? Probably less than that. (Seriously, there's less than 60k slots for PvP in ESO at any given moment across all six servers.)YandereGirlfriend wrote: »The "illegal" part is overblown but it's also not completely off the mark. Obviously, we all signed away our rights in the ToS but if, say, Nvidia tried to retroactively change their drivers to nerf Bitcoin mining on cards that had already been sold to buyers... they would have a class-action lawsuit on their hands and they would lose it. ZOS is doing the same basic thing to players but, due to the ToS, nobody has a legal leg to stand on.
And if Sony removed backwards compatibility and LINUX support from their PS3s through a firmware update, they'd face a class-action lawsuit which... oh, no, wait, Sony settled that suit eight years later to the tune of 65 bucks.
So... yeah, you could sue ZOS, it'd take a decade, and then get a buck-fifty if you're lucky.0