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Not giving set pieces because not meta?
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭It was hard to word this in a small sentence for the title, but basically...
Has anyone ever had group members in a dungeon/trial refuse to give you pieces of a set that you wanted and they had just because they deemed the set 'not good'? Like... if you want to keep it, that's fine, but deeming it 'not good' (whether it's true or not) just seems like a rude reason not to give the pieces to someone.
But maybe I'm seeing it one sided too much, so has this happened to anyone else before? have you DONE this? if so I'd like to hear your reasoning, maybe I'm just short sighted.
Edit: NO I was NOT using an addon to spy on their loot drops. I asked if anyone had any set pieces of the set I wanted and they linked a piece I needed in chat, but wouldn't give it to me because the set 'wasn't good'.
I have not exect the same problem, but the same like problem a lot of times.
Thats why i really do not like "META people".
And this problem is for all this 3 years - thats why to small amount of tanks and etc in randoms.
Even i play DD now, but TANK was my first character and Main character.
And i say "META people" - it is not people who really do hard achivments and use some sets. I say about people who play bad - but who think that all players have to play like META.
Thats why we always take ONLY - not META players.
And I do not care is he Really META or NOT - but as soon as he wright about META and how others have to play - he get kick out the same second.
What is not META player for me - some one who "DO NOT TALK about META" all the day
And i do not really care about what he wear and what he use if he do his task good.1 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That seems to me to be a silly reason. My only guess to why is they think you will instead of using it decon it and they want the materials for themselves?
I once had something like this happen, very long time ago... A person from my friend list linked their loot in chat after we finished the dungeon, and when I asked to have some items of what he linked, he said "no, I want to decon it"
Why even bother linking that to chat?.. I removed that player from my friend list 
But it felt so weird and rude, that I remember this situation even today 
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I haven't seen exactly this situation but I have seen similar responses when someone asks where to find or craft a set. Instead of answering someone will just lecture them about why they're wrong to want it and tell them to go and copy a build off Youtube.
It's even weirder when they're asking where the crafting station is, because there's a very good chance they want it for a master writ so whether it's good is irrelevant and they can't choose something else to make anyway.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"3 -
wheresbes✭✭✭✭No what happened was I flat out asked in chat if anyone had it, they linked it, but then refused to give it to me because the set wasn't good.
What a mudball!
Eh, one of the many reasons I like PUGs is that PUGs don't care. PUGs are jubilant if they reach the end of the dungeon, and in that case, they'd give you also their clothes (unless they've got a tight schedule and leave the group ASAP)
MasterSpatula made a great point, if that happens again, say you need it for the sticker book.
I'm an idiot the other way around; I've had a group that was diligently waiting for me to pick chests (why??) but they were much lower CP than me so I thought they might need the stuff more than I do. Long story short, I've opened all the chests, leaving the stuff inside untouched for others to take (even that piece I didn't have) 2 -
Fischblut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm an idiot the other way around; I've had a group that was diligently waiting for me to pick chests (why??) but they were much lower CP than me so I thought they might need the stuff more than I do. Long story short, I've opened all the chests, leaving the stuff inside untouched for others to take (even that piece I didn't have)
In dungeon? I think there's nothing to be ashamed of, especially while overland chests teach us that chest is for one player only (other players take leftovers or nothing at all)
When I started doing dungeons, I always waited for other group members to loot the chest, and only then I also looted the chest. And I was always confused why nobody took the gold before me... Finally, somebody explained to me that chests in dungeons can be looted by every group member and everyone gets their own loot 1 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm an idiot the other way around; I've had a group that was diligently waiting for me to pick chests (why??) but they were much lower CP than me so I thought they might need the stuff more than I do. Long story short, I've opened all the chests, leaving the stuff inside untouched for others to take (even that piece I didn't have)
In dungeon? I think there's nothing to be ashamed of, especially while overland chests teach us that chest is for one player only (other players take leftovers or nothing at all)
When I started doing dungeons, I always waited for other group members to loot the chest, and only then I also looted the chest. And I was always confused why nobody took the gold before me... Finally, somebody explained to me that chests in dungeons can be looted by every group member and everyone gets their own loot
It's one of those things the game doesn't do a good job of explaining.
A while ago someone in my guild said when they started they wouldn't even take all the loot from enemies in open-world maps, because they thought what they were seeing was for everyone, so they'd choose a few pieces and leave the rest for other people. They only found out it's not shared when they killed a world boss, then went around collecting the bits for the quest, then noticed no one else had taken the remaining loot from the boss and asked why not.
Admittedly what you expect depends on your past experience. It's been a long time since I played an MMO with drops shared by everyone (I had played Guild Wars 1 and 2 but both of those only show you your own drops) so I thought it was a thing of the past which never happened any more and it was a bit of a surprise to learn that open-world chests and resource nodes are shared, but at least that's obvious.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"2 -
doomette✭✭✭✭✭
✭A friend of mine had a sort of similar experience when none of his guildies would craft him some items because they didn’t think the set was worth it. But it worked for him, it got the job done in group settings, and he enjoyed playing that way, so the fact it wasn’t meta shouldn’t have mattered. He had the mats for it and all that, but they were arrogant enough to refuse just because they disagreed with his build. Give advise sure, but imposing your build dogma on someone else like that is lame.
Luckily for him, I have a master crafter so I was more than happy to help him out once I logged in.3 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use addons to see loot of group.
I find it mental that some ppl see this as bad in 2021.
Knowing what dropped doesnt mean I will invade player that got drop I needed, but it does provide info how rare is some drop no matter what I decide to do with info.Awake, but at what cost1 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I use addons to see loot of group.
I find it mental that some ppl see this as bad in 2021.
Knowing what dropped doesnt mean I will invade player that got drop I needed, but it does provide info how rare is some drop no matter what I decide to do with info.
I think the problem is how some people use that information.
I think (and hope) this is rare, but a new person who joined my guild a while ago was pleasantly surprised to learn they were allowed to keep all their drops if they wanted to. They were used to guild dungeon runs in their previous guild ending with the officer who lead the group telling everyone what to give away and who to give it to, based on the guild's records of who wanted or deserved which items and their seniority in the guild.
Apparently they'd been told that was the only fair way to do it, but for a new player who didn't know what sets they might need to request them, and who had no seniority in the guild it basically meant they had to give away anything which might be worth having.Edited by Danikat on February 26, 2021 4:37PMPC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't think I've personally seen this happen, but it doesn't surprise me at all, that's the PUG PVE experience in a nutshell. On one hand, it's their loot and they can do what they want with it. On the other hand, they're preventing you from getting the rewards you seek even though you met all of the requirements and put in the time and effort.
That's why I don't feel bad roaming around my gankblade every time the Midyear Mayhem event rolls around, camping quest givers potentially killing people like this. I believe their argument is that I'm "preventing them from obtaining the rewards they seek"...but so do they!0 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭That seems to me to be a silly reason. My only guess to why is they think you will instead of using it decon it and they want the materials for themselves?
Maybe? I dunno, kinda bums me out because the dungeon is kinda hard. Thankfully not a monster set so I can do it on normal but still.
*Flops* one of these days I'll get this 'not good' set haha.
Even if it's not good, I'd like to at least try it, ya know?
I wholly endorse the "not good" sets.
I use tons of sets on my characters that would probably make people side-eye my builds. But they are fun, fit my character concepts / themes, and work.
An Aegis Caller / Unleashed setup, a mag DPS with Phoenix, Combat Physician on a tank, in my early days as a tank I spent weeks farming Crypt Of Hearts for a Shroud Of The Lich resto staff, I've used False God's on a tank, Chokethorn on a tank, the list could probably go on. I wholly endorse off-meta sets and builds.
What were you trying to get?2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I use addons to see loot of group.
I find it mental that some ppl see this as bad in 2021.
Knowing what dropped doesnt mean I will invade player that got drop I needed, but it does provide info how rare is some drop no matter what I decide to do with info.
I think the problem is how some people use that information.
I think (and hope) this is rare, but a new person who joined my guild a while ago was pleasantly surprised to learn they were allowed to keep all their drops if they wanted to. They were used to guild dungeon runs in their previous guild ending with the officer who lead the group telling everyone what to give away and who to give it to, based on the guild's records of who wanted or deserved which items and their seniority in the guild.
Apparently they'd been told that was the only fair way to do it, but for a new player who didn't know what sets they might need to request them, and who had no seniority in the guild it basically meant they had to give away anything which might be worth having.
I would think that would depend on the group/guild and their focus. For a progression group I wouldnt think it strange that some gear was prioritized to certain players. Its seems a little strange for a dungeon group.
The add on just provides information. How its used is people being... well, people. I think many would be surprised if they knew how many were running them. One of the groups I ran with prefered everyone have it so that they didnt spend a lot of time linking items in chat. If you wanted something, you could see it and ask for it. Saved some time, especially if the goal was to continue farming.
Earlier when jewlery crafting was new it wasn't uncommon for players to offer a piece of purple jewlery in exchange for a set piece they wanted so that the trade reimbursed the person for the plating they were losing. I have a hard time envisioning this being the case for body armor. It seems a little silly.
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP, no, that has never happened to me and I wouldn't deny someone a piece they need for whatever reason if I don't need it myself.
I tend to link my pieces at the end using the item set addon so people can see what I have to give away.
In the beginning the dungeon chests were individual, but that was changed very early on.
There is still one chest in Blackheart Haven that behaves the old way (just one person can loot it when it spawns)The Moot Councillor1 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If I'm running a dungeon where the sets aren't meta I don't bother to link gear before dropping. But denying gear because its not meta seems weird.0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »That seems to me to be a silly reason. My only guess to why is they think you will instead of using it decon it and they want the materials for themselves?
Maybe? I dunno, kinda bums me out because the dungeon is kinda hard. Thankfully not a monster set so I can do it on normal but still.
*Flops* one of these days I'll get this 'not good' set haha.
Even if it's not good, I'd like to at least try it, ya know?
I wholly endorse the "not good" sets.
I use tons of sets on my characters that would probably make people side-eye my builds. But they are fun, fit my character concepts / themes, and work.
An Aegis Caller / Unleashed setup, a mag DPS with Phoenix, Combat Physician on a tank, in my early days as a tank I spent weeks farming Crypt Of Hearts for a Shroud Of The Lich resto staff, I've used False God's on a tank, Chokethorn on a tank, the list could probably go on. I wholly endorse off-meta sets and builds.
What were you trying to get?
That honestly sounds fun~
But yeah I don't look up builds, I used to just to get a grasp on the game, but after that I only look up SETS and where to get them, using my own brain power in how I can use them and if I want them or not.
The one I wanted was from Stone garden, called Kraglen's Howl or sometimes just KraglenHoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A friend of mine had a sort of similar experience when none of his guildies would craft him some items because they didn’t think the set was worth it. But it worked for him, it got the job done in group settings, and he enjoyed playing that way, so the fact it wasn’t meta shouldn’t have mattered. He had the mats for it and all that, but they were arrogant enough to refuse just because they disagreed with his build. Give advise sure, but imposing your build dogma on someone else like that is lame.
Luckily for him, I have a master crafter so I was more than happy to help him out once I logged in.
That's so sad, I am happy you helped him out though! That's why I am working on my own crafter, so I can do stuff like that without having to ask someone and get their 'opinion'Hoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)0 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »That seems to me to be a silly reason. My only guess to why is they think you will instead of using it decon it and they want the materials for themselves?
Maybe? I dunno, kinda bums me out because the dungeon is kinda hard. Thankfully not a monster set so I can do it on normal but still.
*Flops* one of these days I'll get this 'not good' set haha.
Even if it's not good, I'd like to at least try it, ya know?
I wholly endorse the "not good" sets.
I use tons of sets on my characters that would probably make people side-eye my builds. But they are fun, fit my character concepts / themes, and work.
An Aegis Caller / Unleashed setup, a mag DPS with Phoenix, Combat Physician on a tank, in my early days as a tank I spent weeks farming Crypt Of Hearts for a Shroud Of The Lich resto staff, I've used False God's on a tank, Chokethorn on a tank, the list could probably go on. I wholly endorse off-meta sets and builds.
What were you trying to get?
That honestly sounds fun~
But yeah I don't look up builds, I used to just to get a grasp on the game, but after that I only look up SETS and where to get them, using my own brain power in how I can use them and if I want them or not.
The one I wanted was from Stone garden, called Kraglen's Howl or sometimes just Kraglen
Aw, I'm not familiar with that one. I've done the dungeon a number of times, but never really collected anything out of there.
And yea, I'm the same way. I used to look up builds to get an idea of what my roles and responsibilities were for whatever role I was playing - especially since I main a tank.
But once I caught a grasp of what I was doing, I put together my own set combinations based on how I want the specific characters to play. I'm not a heavy roleplayer, but each of my characters does have something of a backstory at least and a concept of what I want the character to be and how I want it to play. So I will build around that concept, while making it efficient for my job description as well, and tbh I get no complaints from my guild or my PUG's. I get a lot of confidence from my guild, and a lot of compliments from groups and PUG's.0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Sorry, this gear set is trash, I'm doing you a favor in not giving it to you even though I don't want it."
Some players are just weird.3 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Seems stupid if they are not going to use the set pieces and have linked it they should have no reason not to give them to you, if its some nonsense about the decon mats, most people usually offer a small tip of 1K per piece or at least I do and when its in the trait I am looking for I up my tip to 10K for the piece.
The only time I have flat out seen people refuse to give people gear, is when someone is using an add on to see what drops the other person has and go about asking for it in a rude way.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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This, I want an prayer shawl sword is you don't need, yes it one of the worst sets in the game. But it might be buffed in the future as none are using it and the sword makes it cheaper to reconstruct.MasterSpatula wrote: »I've never seen this, but with the Sticker Book, there's straight-up no reason for this attitude. Any set might be buffed to BIS in the future (Okay, maybe not ANY set), and having it in your sticker book means you won't need to farm it if that happens. It makes no sense not to Sticker-Book any unlearned item you come across in the game.
However I think lots of players don't understand how the sticker book change the game, or why drop out a dungeon a second after the boss drop in an smooth vCoA1 pledge and friend posted "some want and BSW inferno staff" trait was even decent.
Other random was very happy, again any odd weapon is nice for lowering the cost.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just say it’s for the sticker book, in case the set ever gets buffed. Sounds like they were trying to protect you from a bad decision
I’m curious which set it was.0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Just say it’s for the sticker book, in case the set ever gets buffed. Sounds like they were trying to protect you from a bad decision
I’m curious which set it was.
Kraglen's howlHoping for more playable races.
I just want werewolf to be viable in endgame PvE T.T (which not allowed according to PTS update 50)0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Just say it’s for the sticker book, in case the set ever gets buffed. Sounds like they were trying to protect you from a bad decision
I’m curious which set it was.
Kraglen's howl
Strange, that set looks pretty cool. I’d be glad if one of my random allies wore a set to give me free ultimate.0 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭It was hard to word this in a small sentence for the title, but basically...
Has anyone ever had group members in a dungeon/trial refuse to give you pieces of a set that you wanted and they had just because they deemed the set 'not good'? Like... if you want to keep it, that's fine, but deeming it 'not good' (whether it's true or not) just seems like a rude reason not to give the pieces to someone.
But maybe I'm seeing it one sided too much, so has this happened to anyone else before? have you DONE this? if so I'd like to hear your reasoning, maybe I'm just short sighted.
Edit: NO I was NOT using an addon to spy on their loot drops. I asked if anyone had any set pieces of the set I wanted and they linked a piece I needed in chat, but wouldn't give it to me because the set 'wasn't good'.
Did you check the level of the piece?
Level 15 may just not have been what you have been looking for. 1 -
Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chance are he didn't have the item and just linked it out of his stickerbook to be a jerk.Elsterchen wrote: »It was hard to word this in a small sentence for the title, but basically...
Has anyone ever had group members in a dungeon/trial refuse to give you pieces of a set that you wanted and they had just because they deemed the set 'not good'? Like... if you want to keep it, that's fine, but deeming it 'not good' (whether it's true or not) just seems like a rude reason not to give the pieces to someone.
But maybe I'm seeing it one sided too much, so has this happened to anyone else before? have you DONE this? if so I'd like to hear your reasoning, maybe I'm just short sighted.
Edit: NO I was NOT using an addon to spy on their loot drops. I asked if anyone had any set pieces of the set I wanted and they linked a piece I needed in chat, but wouldn't give it to me because the set 'wasn't good'.
Did you check the level of the piece?
Level 15 may just not have been what you have been looking for.
Level doesn't matter anymore.1 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use addons to see loot of group.
I find it mental that some ppl see this as bad in 2021.
Knowing what dropped doesnt mean I will invade player that got drop I needed, but it does provide info how rare is some drop no matter what I decide to do with info.
I think the problem is how some people use that information.
I think (and hope) this is rare, but a new person who joined my guild a while ago was pleasantly surprised to learn they were allowed to keep all their drops if they wanted to. They were used to guild dungeon runs in their previous guild ending with the officer who lead the group telling everyone what to give away and who to give it to, based on the guild's records of who wanted or deserved which items and their seniority in the guild.
Apparently they'd been told that was the only fair way to do it, but for a new player who didn't know what sets they might need to request them, and who had no seniority in the guild it basically meant they had to give away anything which might be worth having.
I play this game for 6y+ and I am yet to encounter something like thatAwake, but at what cost0 -
jle30303✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a simple rule; If somebody asks me for a specific item before I've even seen my OWN loot, they're not getting it.
Nobody gets any item until I have had a good look at it and posted its availability in chat.
Snooping on other people's private loot drops is bad manners and I would refuse a trade just because somebody had done that, even if it was a duplicate item and they were offering a thing I wanted. Because other people SHOULD NOT be able to see into my inventory, or see what loot has dropped for me, until I advertise it.3 -
MellowMagic✭✭✭✭I wouldn't mind if a dps was running Kraglens howl more ult for me, guy woke up and chose violence it seems.1 -
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