Also no one should sign up for a random vet and be expected to run for 3 hours just to clear because some "dps" only presses 1 button.
This is why I really don't pug anymore, the worst part when you dare suggest improvement or layering dots you are an elitist or your example using dps as a crutch?
Are you serious?
Dead serious. If you are incapable of completing a dungeon with subpar DPS even with a good tank and healer, it proves that you are using super high DPS as a crutch.
That's not an excuse for DPS to be lazy, mind you. But if you can't handle not being able to nuke the boss in two seconds, I have no choice but to question your actual skill level and disposition.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
Tank blocks the Boss's heavy attack at max health and dies despite not standing in red and following mechanics. He built like a DPS and has almost no points in health.
Is he a fake tank? I'd say yes, same with DPS who don't DPS.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
Tank blocks the Boss's heavy attack at max health and dies despite not standing in red and following mechanics. He built like a DPS and has almost no points in health.
Is he a fake tank? I'd say yes, same with DPS who don't DPS.
@Vevvev
A tank that doesn't press the right button to use a skill and doesn't have gear that will let him do his job properly is a fake. A dps that doesn't press the right buttons and doesn’t have gear that will let him do his job properly is a poor, unfortunate sole that just doesn’t know you need to press more than one button to play a video game. U.U
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spartaxoxo wrote: »If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
spartaxoxo wrote: »If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
Pulling low numbers does not mean they aren't using DPS skills. On the contrary, you can still pull very low numbers even if you use DPS skills. Even if they fail at it, as long as they try to do the job, they are not fake.
On the other hand, it's pretty damn clear when a tank is not doing his job. No damage mitigation, no taunting, running around like a headless chicken, more worried about DPS than his actual job requirements... That is a fake tank.
I really don't get why this is such a difficult concept. Do your job and you're not a fake, regardless of whether you succeed or fail.
You are right, bad tanks that try to hold agro by dealing damage are just bad, they are not fake, while fake dds queue without the intention to be the main damage source in group, therefore fake.
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Please, it is hypocritical to demand something from tanks (hold agro) while regarding dd's as something that can use 1 light attack in the begining of the dungeon, and already count them as dds because they dealt damage.
spartaxoxo wrote: »If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
Pulling low numbers does not mean they aren't using DPS skills. On the contrary, you can still pull very low numbers even if you use DPS skills. Even if they fail at it, as long as they try to do the job, they are not fake.
On the other hand, it's pretty damn clear when a tank is not doing his job. No damage mitigation, no taunting, running around like a headless chicken, more worried about DPS than his actual job requirements... That is a fake tank.
I really don't get why this is such a difficult concept. Do your job and you're not a fake, regardless of whether you succeed or fail.
You are right, bad tanks that try to hold agro by dealing damage are just bad, they are not fake, while fake dds queue without the intention to be the main damage source in group, therefore fake.
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Please, it is hypocritical to demand something from tanks (hold agro) while regarding dd's as something that can use 1 light attack in the begining of the dungeon, and already count them as dds because they dealt damage.
Also, he meant skills and gear, it is literally impossible to pull less than 10k if you are using 2 dots and 3 spammables over 10 seconds with 3 dps sets, food buff, and allocated attributes.
Grandchamp1989 wrote: »In this game damage is king.
If there's no damage pure healer and tank can do little.
If there's no tank you can still kite and burn in many many instances.
When I tank most runs fail because the team doesn't know mechs or do atrocious damage.
When I DD i rarely fail a run
Grandchamp1989 wrote: »In this game damage is king.
If there's no damage pure healer and tank can do little.
If there's no tank you can still kite and burn in many many instances.
When I tank most runs fail because the team doesn't know mechs or do atrocious damage.
When I DD i rarely fail a run
I never fail a run as helaer often tank an I do last stand, I have a feeling you have a lot of mouth lol
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »100% of the time as a healer, I get fake dps
spartaxoxo wrote: »Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
@Glurin
If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
QFTAnyone that doesn't realize there are 3 other people in the dungeon so they just make everything take longer.
spartaxoxo wrote: »If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
Pulling low numbers does not mean they aren't using DPS skills. On the contrary, you can still pull very low numbers even if you use DPS skills. Even if they fail at it, as long as they try to do the job, they are not fake.
On the other hand, it's pretty damn clear when a tank is not doing his job. No damage mitigation, no taunting, running around like a headless chicken, more worried about DPS than his actual job requirements... That is a fake tank.
I really don't get why this is such a difficult concept. Do your job and you're not a fake, regardless of whether you succeed or fail.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Not only is "fake dps" not a thing, but saying that it is just shows you've become completely dependent on the dps nuke crutch.
The proof is in the pudding. With a real tank, you can succeed in most dungeons even with dps pulling sub-10k numbers, which you know these days you pretty much have to work at it to get below 10k. With a fake tank, you must pull super high numbers or you will fail.
Fake healers you can work around as long as you've got some decent self heals and/or someone is willing to work a heal or two into their rotation.
Seems you've never been in a veteran Lair of Maarselok or veteran Icereach dungeon and slammed headfirst into a DPS check your DPS couldn't pass. Fake DPS exist dude, and it's a serious problem in the higher end content.
That doesn't make them fake. That just means they couldn't pass the DPS check.
@Glurin
If a tank is fake because they aren't using tank skills then a dps is fake if they aren't using dps skills.
DPS don't get a free pass for refusing or being unable to do their job. The dps checks in those dungeons are typically minor.
There is no fake dps dude get real. They are just not up to the task. I can que my tank as dd and that will be fake dps, Lame excuse by a fake tank.
but problem we have with it we dont have option for 4th role in group tab for which we have to choose to go into dung, to inform our mates which role we are goingand dead weight solo players.
tank not doing his job by tauning and cciing enemies is fake
healer not doing his job by healing and buffing teammates is fake
dps not doing his job by not having enough dps for dps check mechanic on boss is what? RPer?, 4th combat role? does it exists?
tank not doing his job by tauning and cciing enemies is fake
healer not doing his job by healing and buffing teammates is fake
dps not doing his job by not having enough dps for dps check mechanic on boss is what? RPer?, 4th combat role? does it exists?
Yeah, that's an RPer or a bad DPS, which are not mutually exclusive concepts. He's not a fake. Your comparison is wrong.
Tank not doing his job by taunting and CCing enemies is fake. Tank not taunting or CCing enough is just bad.
Healer not doing his job by healing and buffing teammates is fake. Healer not healing or buffing enough is just bad.
DPS not doing any damage is fake. DPS not doing enough damage is just bad.
Get the picture?
You're not a fake as long as you perform the basic function of the role. You can be bad at it. You can be downright awful in fact, and fail at every challenge presented to you. But as long as you're doing the job you signed up to do, you are not a fake.
tank not doing his job by tauning and cciing enemies is fake
healer not doing his job by healing and buffing teammates is fake
dps not doing his job by not having enough dps for dps check mechanic on boss is what? RPer?, 4th combat role? does it exists?
Yeah, that's an RPer or a bad DPS, which are not mutually exclusive concepts. He's not a fake. Your comparison is wrong.
Tank not doing his job by taunting and CCing enemies is fake. Tank not taunting or CCing enough is just bad.
Healer not doing his job by healing and buffing teammates is fake. Healer not healing or buffing enough is just bad.
DPS not doing any damage is fake. DPS not doing enough damage is just bad.
Get the picture?
You're not a fake as long as you perform the basic function of the role. You can be bad at it. You can be downright awful in fact, and fail at every challenge presented to you. But as long as you're doing the job you signed up to do, you are not a fake.
so we dont have anything to be fake
got fake healer in dung doing more dps? sorry but he is jsut learning how to heal, his healing is just bad
you think you got fake tank? noo sorry, he is jsut learning how to use taunt and other cc's and when, how effectively use it
o low hp for tank? maaaan he is just learning, he didn't get he gear yet
if he dont have enough health it doesnt mean he wont stay alive or if he didnt stay alive....he is just bad tank, he is learning relfex when to dodge so he might die from hard hit, nothing fake here, no reason to kick if he is still learning!
You're still not getting it. What matters is intent. If I queue for a dungeon as a tank with absolutely no intention of doing anything that a tank is supposed to do, that makes me a fake tank. My stats, gear, skill bar, attributes, all of that is irrelevant for the most part. Even a tank who absolutely sucks at tanking is still a tank if he's trying to do the job of a tank.
The same principle applies to DPS.
At which point would you say someone is "trying to do the job" and has the "intention of doing anything that a "insert Role" is supposed to do." ?You're still not getting it. What matters is intent. If I queue for a dungeon as a tank with absolutely no intention of doing anything that a tank is supposed to do, that makes me a fake tank. My stats, gear, skill bar, attributes, all of that is irrelevant for the most part. Even a tank who absolutely sucks at tanking is still a tank if he's trying to do the job of a tank.
If you have solo players with Plague Doctor and Winters Respite DW & Destro are they realy "trying to do the job" ? Do they realy have the "intention of doing anything that "a DPS" is supposed to do." ? Is a DPS suposed to spam Bow LA ? I dont think so. Is it a DPS Job to spam Singel Target Execute on one (1) full Health Trashmob? If yes then i guess i leard the game wrong.The same principle applies to DPS. That's why there's no such thing as fake DPS. You're very likely not going to find anyone who is deliberately doing no damage because they really wanted to heal or tank. There's literally no upside to doing that. People fake tank because they can skip the queue or because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that they can do enough damage to make up for the lack of a real one. What could you possibly get out of going out of your way to not do any damage?
You're still not getting it. What matters is intent. If I queue for a dungeon as a tank with absolutely no intention of doing anything that a tank is supposed to do, that makes me a fake tank. My stats, gear, skill bar, attributes, all of that is irrelevant for the most part. Even a tank who absolutely sucks at tanking is still a tank if he's trying to do the job of a tank.
The same principle applies to DPS.
Lol. 100% correct. What matters is intent. If I go in a dungeon intending to hold agro by generating damage, I am still a fake tank.
If a damage dealer, whose job is to deal damage