dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
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Iron_Blurr wrote: »karthrag_inak wrote: »No thank you. This one likes to achieve things on his alts, that's why he has them.
You can still do that. It will say you got the achievement onAlienoutlaw wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »Account wide achievement will encourage me to play alts.
how? surely the reason to play Alts is to get achievements and finish quest? if you already on all accounts what would be the incentive to play other Alts? think you just shot ya self in the foot there
If you are trying to get a really hard achievement, you should be able to earn it for your account since it is YOU the player who earned it. There can be a compromise where it shows which character you got the achievement on so players can challenge themselves to still get them on every character. But what about for players that already got the achievement on that character? Why cant they continue to have their stats tracked so we can see how many times you get something on a character?
Let's say you want master angler. Why cant it say master angler: 2 times on (This toon) and (That toon) or master angler: 2 on (this toon)
You're effectively arguing for a summary sheet listing the achievements and which characters earned them, and that is generally supported by both sides in this sort of discussion. Having account-wide achievements is something else altogether, and would involve only one character completing say the Master Angler achievement while all the other characters on the account would have the Master Angler title without having completed the achievement. That's what players who want to run multiple characters fully in the game are opposed to, not a summary sheet.
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
It isn't may argument at all. My argument is much more simple. If a character wants to show off a title they have to earn that title. It doesn't count if another character earned part of the title.
People argue that it is the player that earns the achievement. The player can't earn the achievement without the character though. A team effort of sorts. I wouldn't mind if there were a way for a player to share all the achievements they have accomplished over all their characters but if they want to display a title that character must have earned that title.
redspecter23 wrote: »
It depends on a point of view with that sticking point. If you consider it the "player" who got the achievement, you likely don't have an issue with that. If you consider it the "character" then it makes no sense that an alt has Master Angler if they never fished a hole in their lives.
I'd say neither side is wrong from their own perspective. In particular if you're a heavy role player, it might cause you a serious problem if your lawful character suddenly had access to dark brotherhood titles.
On the other side of the argument, people that consider the account as a whole entity wonder why they have completed an achievement as a player, but have no recognition for that when they do something as simple as swapping alts. A grand overloard in pvp doesn't suddenly become horrible when they swap characters.
I dont see it as sides. Having account wide achievments has benefits:
- reduces load on the database which would profit everyone.
- benefit group gameplay as players would be more inclined to play what is needed and still get their achievment
- leads to players being more likely to play alts because they can now get all on their account
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
It isn't may argument at all. My argument is much more simple. If a character wants to show off a title they have to earn that title. It doesn't count if another character earned part of the title.
People argue that it is the player that earns the achievement. The player can't earn the achievement without the character though. A team effort of sorts. I wouldn't mind if there were a way for a player to share all the achievements they have accomplished over all their characters but if they want to display a title that character must have earned that title.
The character wants nothing. It is you that thinks of your character as a living entitiy. In reality your Character is a tool, nothing more. It will do nothing without you thats why it isnt a team efford at all. I as the player did these things and i choose what to do with it.
Now let me ask you this. If you are so against account achievments and having account wide titles, why are you content with dyes, personalities, skins and mounts being account wide? After all your character didnt do them. While you are heavy RP based, do you make sure that everything your character uses was actually earned on it? I bet you dont.
You're not seeing it as sides, because you're only considering your point of view as illustrated by the bolded last sentence.
People tend to want account-wide achievements either because they consider the player to be the focus, not the character (this approach being much more common with console players because of the way that console games have traditionally been structured as compared with PC RPGs), or because they just want to roll an alt for endgame and don't want to repeat all the content to get the alt there.
With account-wide achievements you see benefits for you, I see disadvantages for me.That's why there are two sides to this topic, and it's why ZOS has balanced both approaches with some things like CPs and collections being account-wide and other things like achievements being character-specific. It's a fair compromise in my view, but should be complemented by an account-wide achievement summary listing which characters have earned which achievements so those who want to do all the achievements but only once can see when they have all been done across the account and perhaps get a new achievement for that.
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
It isn't may argument at all. My argument is much more simple. If a character wants to show off a title they have to earn that title. It doesn't count if another character earned part of the title.
People argue that it is the player that earns the achievement. The player can't earn the achievement without the character though. A team effort of sorts. I wouldn't mind if there were a way for a player to share all the achievements they have accomplished over all their characters but if they want to display a title that character must have earned that title.
The character wants nothing. It is you that thinks of your character as a living entitiy. In reality your Character is a tool, nothing more. It will do nothing without you thats why it isnt a team efford at all. I as the player did these things and i choose what to do with it.
Now let me ask you this. If you are so against account achievments and having account wide titles, why are you content with dyes, personalities, skins and mounts being account wide? After all your character didnt do them. While you are heavy RP based, do you make sure that everything your character uses was actually earned on it? I bet you dont.
dimitrisp1 wrote: »Why not collectables then? Or skins? Why titles specifically? Cause that's how SWTOR did it? Don't get how that's a counter argument. Guess the actual problem is that you only get a title for high end achievemenets and for only one character at that.(oh yea and an ugly mount, who could forget) If you got something cool that's account wide and a title I could see how the title would be character specific.
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Dragonnord wrote: »ALL of the roles and ALL of the classes are COMPLETELY different. Your tank has nothing to do with your healer and your magdk has nothing to do with your stamblade.
Dragonnord wrote: »[snip] If you get it with your tank, healer or dps, then you get the achievement with ONE of them.
Want it with the 3 of them? Then go get the achievement with the 3 roles.
Same with classes, if you want it with your magdk, stamdk, magsorc, stamsorc, magblade, stamblade, magcro, stamcro, magden and stamden, then go get the achievement with each of them.
Each role has a different task, each class has different skills to learn and use. You may be a great tank but you may stink as healer or dps. You may be great with your magsorc but you may stink with your stamden.
ALL of the roles and ALL of the classes are COMPLETELY different. Your tank has nothing to do with your healer and your magdk has nothing to do with your stamblade.
Leave achievement points, per character, as they are now.
We have enough cheating in this game as to cheat achievement points too.
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redspecter23 wrote: »Account wide achievement will encourage me to play alts. I wouldn't have to worry about which toon is working toward a specific achievement when I want to do a dungeon or other activity.
While some achievements lend themselves to character specific, many are just not feasible to be completed on each toon. Once you have achievements that just can't be reasonably completed on every toon, you push achievement hunters to one "main" toon in order to hunt those achievements, which limits their character choices.
ESO has been set up for a long time now to be very alt friendly. Dailies being per toon. CP being account wide. Achievements go against that theme and it feels a bit odd.
How about this have achievements be account wide but have titles be character bound might be a reasonable compromise if possible to program.
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
It isn't may argument at all. My argument is much more simple. If a character wants to show off a title they have to earn that title. It doesn't count if another character earned part of the title.
People argue that it is the player that earns the achievement. The player can't earn the achievement without the character though. A team effort of sorts. I wouldn't mind if there were a way for a player to share all the achievements they have accomplished over all their characters but if they want to display a title that character must have earned that title.
redspecter23 wrote: »Account wide achievement will encourage me to play alts. I wouldn't have to worry about which toon is working toward a specific achievement when I want to do a dungeon or other activity.
While some achievements lend themselves to character specific, many are just not feasible to be completed on each toon. Once you have achievements that just can't be reasonably completed on every toon, you push achievement hunters to one "main" toon in order to hunt those achievements, which limits their character choices.
ESO has been set up for a long time now to be very alt friendly. Dailies being per toon. CP being account wide. Achievements go against that theme and it feels a bit odd.
Dragonnord wrote: »No, please! If your easy-mode Magblade got Flawless Conqueror that doesn't mean your rotten and dusty Stamden can have it too.
I know a lot, and I mean, a lot of people that change to meta constantly so they can complete things because they can't with other classes.
So no, leave Achievement Points as they are now, please.
DigitalHype wrote: »
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
dimitrisp1 wrote: »I like how the only argument against account wide achievements is rp and craglorn groups(bruh). I just want all my trial trifectas to be account wide... Keep the rest character wide for all I care but make high end achievements account wide. I mean come on dawnbringer is broken atm(maybe?who even knows at this point no confirmation from zos). I don't wanna grind it like 5 times that's absurd.
Actually, one thing you guys are not taking into account is that ESO was designed with character-based achievements in mind. If they swap to account-based, then you'll have things that games with account-based achievements and multiple classes also have, namely, achievements that are class-based.
So you'll have trial Trifecta achievements for EACH CLASS, with likely a master-achievement for completing it on all classes.
Also, the achievements to kill things would jump from killing 50-300 things to killing about 10k of them (Like Black Desert has, for example).
redspecter23 wrote: »It's a tricky situation to balance out well. I'd be interested to see which stance ZOS would take if they ever decided to make a move to account wide.
redspecter23 wrote: »It's a tricky situation to balance out well. I'd be interested to see which stance ZOS would take if they ever decided to make a move to account wide.
What do you want to balance here? You shove it over and be done with it. There is no reason to overcomplicate anything.