Multiclassing

HoyaCarnosa · August 2020

No

No,i would like to have every class a fourth class specific skill line, but not skills from another class on my class, the class identity would be lost...

dragonmage0313 · August 2020

Jeremy wrote: »

I like the idea myself. Make it to where characters can choose a second class to level up similarly to how Final Fantasy 11 does it with sub jobs.

Or just remove class limitations all together and allow players to level up every class on the same character then pick and choose which abilities to use. This game actually has a good structure for such a system because there is limited space for abilities making it much easier to balance.

This is actually a great idea! I like FFXIV system of leveling all roles and picking the play style for the month! Some would argue that leveling multiple roles is the same as leveling a new toon, but if youre like me, your main is an extension of yourself and you dont want to create a new one for a different playstyle.

Túrin_Vidsmidr · August 2020

No

Absolutely no. It has ruined Lineage 2 as well.
They are already struggling with balancing this mess at hand, crossing classes would make it unplayable garbage.

josiahva · August 2020

Yes

Mindcr0w wrote: »

Given the two options presented how would one not be able to have it both way? It is entirely possible to keep what exists without adding to it. In fact it requires 0 additional effort.

Given the state of balance in the game we might be better off without new combat related skills for quite some time, yes. Regardless, the occasional new skill line that is conceptually built from the ground up to be "balanced" if being used by anyone is not in any way equivalent to suddenly giving everyone access to everyone else's class specific skills. Skills that were never meant to be used together.

So tell me...exactly what two skills are you terrified of being used together that can't be accomplished by some other means? DK's Fossilize and Warden's Sub-Assault? How is that any worse than Fossilize+Whip? I am having a hard time coming up with ANY combo that is worse than what already exists in PvP(or PvE for that matter). Without the passives, most class active skills aren't nearly as appealing as you would make it seem. What would actually happen is that people would take utility skills...DKs would take streak or something of the nature for mobility, something they sorely lack aside from the major expedition granted by chains. Nightblades would take hardened ward because they are the definition of squish....Templar PvE tanks would grab DK Talons. no, you have it backward...by opening up other class skill lines, it would INSTANTLY balance the classes(even if it destroyed their identity to some degree)....weaknesses in a build could easily be balanced out by skills from a different class.

If you wanted to retain more class identity you could simply limit the amount of skills you could learn from a different class to something like 3. Sure...there would be some crazy BIS build if they added more available skills, but there is always some BIS build, and builds like those would immediately highlight when a given skill was overperforming. More importantly, a larger toolbox would enable more unusual niche builds.

Tandor · August 2020

No

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I like the idea myself. Make it to where characters can choose a second class to level up similarly to how Final Fantasy 11 does it with sub jobs.

Or just remove class limitations all together and allow players to level up every class on the same character then pick and choose which abilities to use. This game actually has a good structure for such a system because there is limited space for abilities making it much easier to balance.

This is actually a great idea! I like FFXIV system of leveling all roles and picking the play style for the month! Some would argue that leveling multiple roles is the same as leveling a new toon, but if youre like me, your main is an extension of yourself and you dont want to create a new one for a different playstyle.

The difference is that FFXIV was designed that way from the off, whereas ESO was designed as a single class game. To change it now would entail a massive rewrite of much of the game, and in a way that couldn't be offered as an alternative option so it couldn't be monetised. Why would any developer countenance such a change, not least in respect of a game as commercially successful as ESO and with 82% of respondents to this poll against it? This suggestion is not resting, it is deceased, it is devoid of life. Moreover, it isn't going to happen.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2020

No

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Should we be allowed to choose another class at level 50, but be able to pick ONLY one of the classes skill lines to follow?

Example: Level 50 Sorcerer can choose to use Dragon Knights Ardent Flame

No. It would be a balancing nightmare.

idk · August 2020

No

We already have more choice than most, if not all major MMORPG titles out there.

Megatto · August 2020

Yes

I voted yes because it sounds cool in concept.

I think they should have done the class thing like Oblivion or Morrowind did it. Don't know how it would work out but again, it sounds interesting in concept

dragonmage0313 · August 2020

Tandor wrote: »

The difference is that FFXIV was designed that way from the off, whereas ESO was designed as a single class game. To change it now would entail a massive rewrite of much of the game, and in a way that couldn't be offered as an alternative option so it couldn't be monetised. Why would any developer countenance such a change, not least in respect of a game as commercially successful as ESO and with 82% of respondents to this poll against it? This suggestion is not resting, it is deceased, it is devoid of life. Moreover, it isn't going to happen.

I hear you, but you're severely missing the point of the poll. It was never a plea to actually change the game. I am only looking to see how many people have a similar mind-set. (Pulls soapbox out from beneath feet)

dragonmage0313 · August 2020

Megatto wrote: »

I voted yes because it sounds cool in concept.

I think they should have done the class thing like Oblivion or Morrowind did it. Don't know how it would work out but again, it sounds interesting in concept

This is why i made this poll. To see who thinks its an interesting concept, or a bad one... kudos to you my friend! Everyone else, thanks for the votes, insightful comments, and additional recommendations furthering the concept!

Aznarb · August 2020

Damn at the start of the sentence I was like yeah good idea but when I read the end I was disappointed.

I was thinking you gonna said this :

"Should we be allowed to choose another class at level 50, but only be able to pick one of them when in town like skill change"
Aka : no need to ask for class swap anymore :>

Tandor · August 2020

No

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The difference is that FFXIV was designed that way from the off, whereas ESO was designed as a single class game. To change it now would entail a massive rewrite of much of the game, and in a way that couldn't be offered as an alternative option so it couldn't be monetised. Why would any developer countenance such a change, not least in respect of a game as commercially successful as ESO and with 82% of respondents to this poll against it? This suggestion is not resting, it is deceased, it is devoid of life. Moreover, it isn't going to happen.

I hear you, but you're severely missing the point of the poll. It was never a plea to actually change the game. I am only looking to see how many people have a similar mind-set. (Pulls soapbox out from beneath feet)

Perhaps you should have made that clear then. The original post didn't ask what we thought about multiclassing in the abstract, it asked "Should we be allowed to choose another class at level 50, but be able to pick ONLY one of the classes skill lines to follow?", and if we answer "Yes" then we are indicating that we want the game changed as that's the only basis on which we could be so allowed.

Aznarb · August 2020

Túrin_Vidsmidr wrote: »

Absolutely no. It has ruined Lineage 2 as well.
They are already struggling with balancing this mess at hand, crossing classes would make it unplayable garbage.

Awww plz don't speak about this game anymore..
I loved it so much, I've play for close to 8 years and they destroyed it..

notyuu · August 2020

No

it would be kinda neat, but balance wise it would be a nightmare to say the least of it, so I'm going to have o give it a hard no

Guyle · August 2020

josiahva wrote: »

When I first started this game, 15k DPS was considered VERY good damage and 20k was top-of-the-line...and now we have people strolling around putting out 90k+ on a regular basis just to be able to get into a trial...you dont think that is "overpowered"?

Oof. I hate it when people do this. It's like saying that 18 feet is 6 times more than 3 yards. They are different metrics, I am not saying there hasn't been power creep, but saying ppl used to do 15k dps and it was good, and now 90k dps is good is not even comparing the same thing.

DaveMoeDee · August 2020

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I kind of have a hard time figuring out how the MG is "horrific" to grind. I wasn't even going to mess with it, but I still pick up and read all the books my characters run across. Then I decided to go ahead with both MG and FG on both account mains. By the time I joined the MG, I was already level 7 on both mains just on the books they'd already read. It took almost no time to do the quests, then read the rest of the books to get to max level.

FG on the other hand.... I HATE just killing things to level something like that - so FG is still sitting there at about level 3 on one and level 5 on the other (which finished the quests up for her of course so I've got attunables from Earth Forge in one of her houses so the other one - who may never finish the quests - can do the Master Writs she gets for those sets).

I always assume people complaining about Mages guild are on console as it is pretty easy to read books while collecting skyshards on alts with addons.

wolfdream69 · August 2020

Yes

I would vote yes! Absolutely, because I am a CP 500 Nightblade and would love to sub class a Templar Lightning Strike build. How cool is that, to slide up for the assignation and slaughter the rest of the bad guys with the lightning strike, boom....pow. Done and done!

Eifleber · August 2020

No

This will eventually lead to even more "must have" skills than we already have and even less class identity.
I think all the non-class skill lines are already overdoing it.

Kalik_Gold · August 2020

No

After watching a video on a upcoming title.... it doesn't seem so bad. Just not sure Zos could pull it off, and the server would burn in ashes upon creation.

Lady_Sleepless · August 2020

Yes

Game balance is already a mess, throw a few more wrenches into the mix.

I would like some necro abilities on my Templar please...

peacenote · August 2020

No

This is a poll where if there had been a maybe, I would have picked maybe.

I heavily lean towards no on this, for two reasons:

This seems almost a lazy way to add more content without adding it. I'd rather see more effort be added to new skill lines than this.
While I don't think that the actual difficulty of balancing should be the reason, I do dislike the idea that a class ability could (and likely would) be nerfed at some point because of a "too strong" synergy with its second class. I like class identity and I think the different classes and the leveling of alts add a strong layer of replay-ability to the game that otherwise wouldn't be there. Don't start messing with my class because one of its abilities is too strong in a one-two punch with a different class in PvP.

I'd have said maybe because it does seem like it could be fun and possibly open up some unique builds. And from a character uniqueness aspect I do like the idea of my templar studying to learn a few warden skills. But I am burnt out on the current "revitalizing" content strategy, especially since ZOS doesn't seem to be very good at it. For example, the vampire overhaul and the vMA weapon decision. This is just as likely to somehow ruin what I most love about my current characters without any real benefit - the "standardization" of the abilities would just become more strict until the class abilities wouldn't do anything unique at all.

Sylvermynx · August 2020

No

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I kind of have a hard time figuring out how the MG is "horrific" to grind. I wasn't even going to mess with it, but I still pick up and read all the books my characters run across. Then I decided to go ahead with both MG and FG on both account mains. By the time I joined the MG, I was already level 7 on both mains just on the books they'd already read. It took almost no time to do the quests, then read the rest of the books to get to max level.

FG on the other hand.... I HATE just killing things to level something like that - so FG is still sitting there at about level 3 on one and level 5 on the other (which finished the quests up for her of course so I've got attunables from Earth Forge in one of her houses so the other one - who may never finish the quests - can do the Master Writs she gets for those sets).

I always assume people complaining about Mages guild are on console as it is pretty easy to read books while collecting skyshards on alts with addons.

? I don't get what you mean. No matter where you go in the world, there's books just laying around. Read them, and eventually, a character is going to have levels in MG if they choose to go there. Addons have nothing to do with it.

Rungar · August 2020

No

I used to think it was a good idea but a better idea is to either add new skills to the weapon or guild lines or just add new lines altogether that everyone can use.

Grianasteri · August 2020

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Should we be allowed to choose another class at level 50, but be able to pick ONLY one of the classes skill lines to follow?

Example: Level 50 Sorcerer can choose to use Dragon Knights Ardent Flame

This idea needs more detail before one could form a legitimate opinion, hence why even though I like the idea in principle, I have not voted.

And with that said, for some time I have been thinking of posting a similar idea, but I was unsure of how to best detail it. Essentiallly the idea is that a new class be created, "hybrid", which at character creation would allow 2 skill lines from any one class to be picked, then a 3rd skill line from any other class.

If you think about this from a lore perspective, why not? Why could an individual in Nirn not learn and employ skills from different disciplines.

The main issue of course is balance. It may interest folk to know that the game Warframe (one of the most expansive content rich games available and its free) has literally just introduced a similar concept. Each frame (character) is now allowed to swap ONE power, for any other power from a different frame. Note that frames generally have 3 main powers and an "ultimate" power (I am unsure if that can be swapped), so swapping just one has a similar impact to the idea of swapping a different skill tree in ESO. There is a process and some farming involved to achieve this "swap", so not just anyone can do it at any time. Anyway point is, this kind of thing can and is done in other games.

Kolzki · August 2020

No

There are skill lines that are no brainers to pick that would be totally unbalanced. There’s also been no effort to balance the class skill lines, just the classes over all. Some classes get most of their strength from a single skill line so it’s not hard to think where the meta would go (we’re not gaining variety here, at least for pve).

Better to add new skill lines that are mutually exclusive, similar to how you can take the vampire or werewolf skills but not both. Maybe make it a profession choice or something similar.

AlnilamE · August 2020

No

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I like the idea myself. Make it to where characters can choose a second class to level up similarly to how Final Fantasy 11 does it with sub jobs.

Or just remove class limitations all together and allow players to level up every class on the same character then pick and choose which abilities to use. This game actually has a good structure for such a system because there is limited space for abilities making it much easier to balance.

This is actually a great idea! I like FFXIV system of leveling all roles and picking the play style for the month! Some would argue that leveling multiple roles is the same as leveling a new toon, but if youre like me, your main is an extension of yourself and you dont want to create a new one for a different playstyle.

OK, first of all FFXIV actually forces you to have one character to a great extent because you can only gain experience from the main story once per account. If you actually make an alt you have to grind, grind, grind forever. So that might be great for players who play avatars and not characters, but it's definitely a bad game for people who like playing alts.

Second, my understanding is that you can switch from one profession to the next, but you can't actually play two professions at once, am I wrong?

I think what the OP is suggesting is more like what Guild Wars (I) had, where you pick a main class and then a secondary class, say Warrior/Monk, Ranger/Elementalist and you can pick skills from both classes at the same time.

dragonmage0313 · August 2020

AlnilamE wrote: »

I think what the OP is suggesting is more like what Guild Wars (I) had, where you pick a main class and then a secondary class, say Warrior/Monk, Ranger/Elementalist and you can pick skills from both classes at the same time.

Yes, this is what the question was asking. I was only stating before that I like the FF14 method. But I agree with you statement about Guild Wars.

mairwen85 · August 2020

No

Multi-classing, no. Multi-role, yes. Give us a loadout or profile changer!

DaveMoeDee · August 2020

AlnilamE wrote: »

dragonmage0313 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I like the idea myself. Make it to where characters can choose a second class to level up similarly to how Final Fantasy 11 does it with sub jobs.

Or just remove class limitations all together and allow players to level up every class on the same character then pick and choose which abilities to use. This game actually has a good structure for such a system because there is limited space for abilities making it much easier to balance.

This is actually a great idea! I like FFXIV system of leveling all roles and picking the play style for the month! Some would argue that leveling multiple roles is the same as leveling a new toon, but if youre like me, your main is an extension of yourself and you dont want to create a new one for a different playstyle.

OK, first of all FFXIV actually forces you to have one character to a great extent because you can only gain experience from the main story once per account. If you actually make an alt you have to grind, grind, grind forever. So that might be great for players who play avatars and not characters, but it's definitely a bad game for people who like playing alts.

Second, my understanding is that you can switch from one profession to the next, but you can't actually play two professions at once, am I wrong?

I think what the OP is suggesting is more like what Guild Wars (I) had, where you pick a main class and then a secondary class, say Warrior/Monk, Ranger/Elementalist and you can pick skills from both classes at the same time.

While I have 18 max level characters, I would prefer just having one and being able to change them to be any option in the game. I haven't played other MMOs, but the way I've heard FF14 described sounds great to me. While the main reason I have alts is writs during the Jubilee, I also like trying all classes in all roles. That is why I have 3 alts for each class. If I could just make my main any of those options, that would be preferable.

BisDasBlutGefriert · August 2020

Yes

mairwen85 wrote: »

Multi-classing, no. Multi-role, yes. Give us a loadout or profile changer!

Are you thinking of like what Rift did? I really enjoyed messing around with that system of skills @mairwen85