Paywall

SaraMoonandStar · May 2020

Hello. Ive been playing ESO since closed BETA. I have always purchased every chapter and have been an eso plus subscriber since eso plus came out. I think it is DISGUSTING that you are implementing a PAYWALL to be able to stay viable in this game. There is a worldwide pandemic going on, major companies across the world are offering discounts, deferred payments, and refunds to help people. Whereas here is ZOS, implementing new ways to make us pay them money to keep playing!

The new mythic sets/jewelry are obviously BIS but people who don't have the extra income or savings right now can't even afford to get them!!!! There wont be a way to compete without shelling out more money to your company!!! I think you guys should consider doing something to HELP people instead of thinking of ways to get more money from everyone who is already struggling and stuck at home.

Sara

Raisin · May 2020

How are the Mythic Items different from the BiS gear/skills that came with the other Chapters?

SaraMoonandStar · May 2020

Tbh they arent super different then introducing pay to win classes like Warden and Necro and all the BIS gear/skills that came with other chapters, but considering the state of the world right now , and so many people out of work and struggling for income or money, AND other companies offering (like I said) discounts, deferrals, refunds, etc... I think its absolutely messed up to introduce a FULL PRICED chapter with BIS gear in it right now. Its obvious this company doesnt care about its customers.

D0PAMINE · May 2020

The Mythic items haven't even dropped on live yet. Things can still change during the PTS phase, and players are still doing extensive testing on the pros and cons of using them.

eovogtb16_ESO · May 2020

Mythic items are not bis or even close. The only players going to be using them are rpers and maybe no cp pvpers.

starkerealm · May 2020

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

Mythic items are not bis or even close. The only players going to be using them are rpers and maybe no cp pvpers.

Yeah, I've got to agree with this. The Mythics are very interesting, but from a viability standpoint: Graymoor probably the least essential chapter to date. That said, it's also extremely enticing. So, it looks cool, but you don't need it.

Vea · May 2020

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

Mythic items are not bis or even close. The only players going to be using them are rpers and maybe no cp pvpers.

Absolutely agree, I don't think anyone need those items to stay competitive.
The chapter is not mandatory so anyone can buy it later eventually.

Starlock · May 2020

I think you're confusing "viable" with "optimal." Really wish folks would stop doing that. You can absolutely still play the game and be "viable" without anything in the new expansion. Seriously. Whether or not you will be "optimal" is up to a whole host of factors that frankly are a lot more complex than "do you have the gear from the new expansion."

Chicharron · May 2020

The only mythical object that interests me is the one that increases the speed, and only to do surveys/farm.

Are they convenient in specific situations?

maybe.

BIS?

I do not think so.

Sailor_Palutena · May 2020

I'm picking the expansion just for the nostalgy with Skyrim, but I don't expect anything off the charts like the trilogy Morrowind>ClockworkCity>Summerset was. It will probably be a Elsweyr 2.0

Kiralyn2000 · May 2020

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

Tbh they arent super different then introducing pay to win classes like Warden and Necro...

Yeah, I definitely remember people crying about "OMG, p2w paywalled classes!" and then the chapters came out, and people were underwhelmed by the actual performance. So much for "pay to win".

but considering the state of the world right now , and so many people out of work and struggling for income or money, AND other companies offering (like I said) discounts, deferrals, refunds, etc... I think its absolutely messed up to introduce a FULL PRICED chapter with BIS gear in it right now.

What I find amazing is the continuous stream of "omg, pandemic! Gimme MOAR! Greedy greedy greedy!" that's popped up on so many game forums. "I'm stuck at home, give us 100% XP boost and run that event three weeks longer! Or everyone will run outside and get sick!" (paraphrasing actual crap I've seen on other MMO forums)

StormeReigns · May 2020

Bloodlord's Embrace
1 item: Dealing damage with a Bash attack places a persistent, un-cleansable Blood Curse on an enemy. You can only have one Blood Cursed enemy at a time and dealing additional Bash damage moves the Blood Curse. Blocking an attack from a Blood Cursed enemy restores 1535 Magicka to you. This effect can occur every 1 second.

Malacath's Band of Brutality
1 item: Increases your damage done by 25%. You cannot deal critical damage.

Ring of the Wild Hunt
1 item: Increases your movement speed by 15% while in combat. Increases your movement speed by 45% while out of combat.

Snow Treaders
1 item: You are immune to Snares and Immobilizations that can be cleansed. While in combat, you cannot Sprint.

Thrassian Stranglers
1 item: Killing an enemy grants you a persistent stack of Sload’s Call, up to a maximum of 20 stacks. Each stack increases your Spell Damage by 150, but also increases your damage taken, reduces your Healing Taken, and reduces effectiveness of your damage shields by 2%. Removing Thrassian Stranglers, crouching, or going invisible removes all stacks of Sload’s Call.

Torc of Tonal Constancy
1 item: While your Stamina is less than 50%, increases your Magicka Recovery by 450. While your Magicka is less than 50%, increases your Stamina Recovery by 450.
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So @SaraMoonandStar Really, how are any of these are BIS-Paywall? at the absolute very most, they might be situational, and the only one that can be useful in and out of combat is the Ring of the Wild Hunt but what are you actually sacrificing in exchange?

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Mmanufactured rage.

This here. OP is just looking for any and every excuse available to be upset at the game and devs. Simply put, one who solely seeks offense, will only find offense.

Sanctum74 · May 2020

Don’t get me wrong some of the ptw classes like stamcro and warden are op, but i play all classes and you can still be competitive with purchasable sets like nma, fury, spriggans, spinners, necro, bright throats, and crafty as long as you know all classes and game mechanics.

JamuThatsWho · May 2020

If you can't afford something, then you can't have it. If you really want it, you'll save up. Or if you're that desperate for cash, you should probably focus on essential purchases anyway.

As for Mythics being BiS gear? Not even close.

Kadoin · May 2020

PvP will be dead next patch anyway because they are not really introducing balance to it, just a half-hearted attempt while introducing more OP sets. The next patch may be the worse PvP patch ever if it goes live.

Reverb · May 2020

I hope you’re wrong about the mythic pieces being essential, because I refuse to buy Greymoor or give Zeni another cent until they give me stable gameplay. So I won’t have mythic items for pve or pvp (where it doesn’t matter what you wear anymore because all skills are on a 5 second delay in heavy combat). I won’t bother to re-farm arena weapons either. And if it turns out I really can’t be competitive in pve or pvp without spending more money, then it’s time for me to move on.

Sange13 · May 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

PvP will be dead next patch anyway because they are not really introducing balance to it, just a half-hearted attempt while introducing more OP sets. The next patch may be the worse PvP patch ever if it goes live.

They think nerfing sustain will hurt the 1vXers, but all it will do is make it so the X have even less of a chance.

idk · May 2020

I seriously doubt OP has been spending money on ESO play the game and it's new content as they claim and are now complaining that they have to spend money to play the game and its new content. The new systems are no different than the jewelry crafting and new classes Zos has added to the previous chapters. A such it is either OP is not being honest with their previous expenditures are is being hypocritical now.

The pandemic is irrelevant to this as Zos did not change their business practice during this worldwide event. If anything, those that have received a serious financial hit need to determine where they will time their expenses and ESO subscriptions and chapters will be expenses that will likely be eliminated which will lead to Zos seeing a reduction in revenue. That means they should not be giving stuff away for free.

I say this as someone who lost their job during all this. A job no longer exists so I need to find something else. I am thinking rationally and responsibly, not complaining because businesses are not giving me entertainment for free.

SaraMoonandStar · May 2020

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content. The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter. Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

bmnoble · May 2020

Its a new chapter its not like they suddenly sprung it all on us that we would have to buy it if we wanted to play it on release day.

Of course its going to have stuff that some will consider desirable if it didn't there would not have been much point in making something that people did not want to buy.

You don't need any Mythic item to be viable in game, it comes down to whether you want the new shiny thing or not.

If your that short on money that you can't afford the new chapter you should be reconsidering your priorities, a pandemic does not entitle anyone to free stuff.

StormeReigns · May 2020

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content

Dang, better tell those who don't have DB / TG chapters that I recently gave Syvara and Bahraha's too that they can't get or wear the gear anymore cause you said so.

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

I don't recall speaking to you about it, your name doesn't appear in any of my guild logs, and those in the guilds I am in, find the mythic items situational and other find them pointless and a handful think they might like them. I may use the ring of the wild hunt. That is a big maybe though, but I would be sacrificing a lot just to run ever so slightly faster

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter.

While I am supportive and can be critical of ZoS. On that note, you are going to have to provide factual evidence that they are not addressing any of those issues - or is it, they are not addressing the specific issues you personally deem need addressing and cloaking them under the blanket term of "lag" ?

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

Who are YOU arguing for and why do you need or require a discount?

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

We all know many people out of work. Many of us are out of work as well. If their top priority is a video game versus the essentials of staying safe, healthy and alive, then they deserve those hard times.
We all made certain sacrifices. I choose to stop paying for many subs, as well had to sacrifice paying for and pickup certain medications to ensure we have extra money - and don't qualify for assistance even during this time. Was suppose to get a new hearing aid. Nope, back to signing. Ever had to use buggy lag filled Zoom for a PTC and have to use ASL for the same sentence 6 times cause your end / teacher's end bugged out and they missed half of what you signed?

RogueShark · May 2020

It's no different than any other chapter or DLC coming out with gear or abilities/skills that required a sub or purchase to get from a trial or dungeon. Jewelcrafting/Psijic line, Warden, Necromancer, etc. If you don't currently have the money to afford the expansion due to the awful situation everyone (yes, including developers and companies) are suffering from, then that shouldn't really be your priority right now anyway. It'll go on sale at some point, you'll be able to buy it later. Take a breath, relax, and accept that if you're having financial troubles at the moment, there is nothing wrong with putting off a 'luxury' purchase that is in no way required.

Olauron · May 2020

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

If people have income, then nothing prevents them from paying the same as before. If people have no income, they should be looking for income instead of playing games, so ZOS is actually helping them by not providing free access.

ItsMeToo · May 2020

I want the LOL Button back. That could be free stuff.

Mancombe_Nosehair · May 2020

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Whilst Greymoor does look very overpriced to me, I suspect that it will likely be their best selling chapter, simply because it is Skyrim. My fellow fanboys and fangirls are going to go mad about it.

Zos has spent a lot of money creating the chapter; why should they give it away for free?

I'm not buying it, by the way.

[Minor Edit for bait]

Zer0_CooL · May 2020

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

The entitlement is strong with this one.

Whilst Greymoor does look very overpriced to me, I suspect that it will likely be their best selling chapter, simply because it is Skyrim. My fellow fanboys and fangirls are going to go mad about it.

Zos has spent a lot of money creating the chapter; why should they give it away for free?

I'm not buying it, by the way.

Yes maybe in the new Zone, but certainly not in the content OP is talking about. This gear item grind was most likely designed and developed with less effort than the psijic skilline quests.

Vea · May 2020

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content. The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter. Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

It is not arguing or hating. You make a post and we simply answer. And it happens to not agree on something. As a mainly PvP player I'm more excited about Mythic furnishing. Enough said. Have you tested items in Pts? They are not mandatory to stay competitive. Good player will still be too good and average will stay average. This is the reality. A discount is surely something anyone can apreciate but your post sounded a bit aggressive, honestly. Maybe I am wrong eh.

Mancombe_Nosehair · May 2020

They gave a free trial, discounted accounts and a free plus trial. What more do you want? How much is enough?

Pinja · May 2020

Vea wrote: »

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content. The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter. Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

It is not arguing or hating. You make a post and we simply answer. And it happens to not agree on something. As a mainly PvP player I'm more excited about Mythic furnishing. Enough said. Have you tested items in Pts? They are not mandatory to stay competitive. Good player will still be too good and average will stay average. This is the reality. A discount is surely something anyone can apreciate but your post sounded a bit aggressive, honestly. Maybe I am wrong eh.

Naw, what's aggressive is ZoS's advertising of this chapter. Leads that you can't use are going to be poping up everywhere and binding themselves to your account. Not to mention they're limited time only leads so you better act fast!
I think they built that in partially to save cloud space, but mainly for the gimmick.
Like your going to be fishing one day, get what you think is the rarest shiniest lead, and buy graymoor.
Or at least that's what they hope. We'll see, you might have free will, but how much internal marketing can you handle?

JanTanhide · May 2020

Company's have to stay in business too. Without income ZOS collapses. Every business out there cannot lend a hand to everyone else. It isn't viable even though it is a noble cause.

I would like to think that Bethesda and ZOS have a ton of cash that they are sitting on but I really doubt that. Even if they did have it I seriously doubt they would give away content they have been developing for the past year or so. Their Shareholders would not be happy and Board members would be replaced.

The business model for any successful video game company is to produce new content, sell it and start developing the next chapter/portion of the game to keep old timers happy and bring in new players.

With that said I cannot honestly buy Greymoor at this moment, not because of lack of funds but because of all the issues in the game especially those that were introduced with the Performance update that should never of happened and are still in the game.

Inaya · May 2020

If you've been playing ESO since closed BETA and have always purchased every chapter and have been an eso plus subscriber since eso plus came out then you know this chapter is no different than any other. Do you have jewel crafting?

A pandemic entitles no one to free video games or any other free entertainment, as it is not a necessity. Yes companies are offering discounts and payment plans on things like ELECTRICITY, Cable for children's school, hospitalization for the virus, mortgage payments.... you know things that are necessary to live.

I'm truly sorry if you lost your job but the least of your worries should be getting free stuff in a video game.