Derra wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Every magblade playing the game would kill for a skill as powerful and versatile as Streak. Like I said, it would replace 3 skills for me (possibly 4 actually). Unless I'm missing something big, it sure seems to me that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth here.

Streak is one of the skills that seems insanely powerful when you have someone (preferably outnumbering you) using it against you.
When you try to use it as an offensive CC (let alone gapcloser - i can assure you that doesn´t work reliably) against anyone semi competent you realize where it falls short and why.

Streak is a terrible offensive cc for your own offense.
Streak is also a strong defensive cc.
The cost increase makes it prohibitive to use offensively (the offensive stun area is smaller than the defensive one).
The dmg is pitiful at best.
It doesn´t allow you to force any ability except meteor to hit (with meteor generally being a meh ultimate and nobody dying to meteor + curse alone).
To use it you´re forced into a combat situation where you generally do not want to be as a sorc - melee.

So why is it that so many ppl use streak instead of ball of lightning - despite virtually every experienced sorc player saying the latter is the stronger morph and advocating for it to be nerfed alongside matriarch?
Reason 1: Barspace. You can´t really fit a dedicated CC that competes with eledrain or matriarch.
Reason 2: Available CC alternatives. There aren´t really any. Cage is absolutely useless and clench has the same range as streak.

That´s where you get the dissonance in feedback over streak from.
Sorc players generally complain about it being a lackluster offensive CC for themselves.
Players fighting sorcs generally complain about it being a very potent defensive cc or enabling OTHER players than the sorc to hit them.

Ironically both are right with their complaints. Bolt escape and morphs aren´t very well balanced.

Langeston wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

I would take back frag cc anyday rather than streak

I agree with all your points but as always most wouldn't have a faintest idea on what you are talking about as either they don't actually play sorc or have only used steak cc to zerg down someone else.

BOL although OP is a necessary evil though and much needed for solo open world as the other morph is mostly for duels/ group / zerg style pvp

With all due respect, if what you say were true it would be backed up by people actually using BOL instead of Streak — since that's not the case, your claim is about as believable as a magplar complaining about Toppling Charge and Puncturing Sweep.

Also, the condescension is unnecessary — magsorc isn't a particularly complicated class.

Galarthor wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Every magblade playing the game would kill for a skill as powerful and versatile as Streak. Like I said, it would replace 3 skills for me (possibly 4 actually). Unless I'm missing something big, it sure seems to me that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth here.

Streak is one of the skills that seems insanely powerful when you have someone (preferably outnumbering you) using it against you.
When you try to use it as an offensive CC (let alone gapcloser - i can assure you that doesn´t work reliably) against anyone semi competent you realize where it falls short and why.

Streak is a terrible offensive cc for your own offense.
Streak is also a strong defensive cc.
The cost increase makes it prohibitive to use offensively (the offensive stun area is smaller than the defensive one).
The dmg is pitiful at best.
It doesn´t allow you to force any ability except meteor to hit (with meteor generally being a meh ultimate and nobody dying to meteor + curse alone).
To use it you´re forced into a combat situation where you generally do not want to be as a sorc - melee.

So why is it that so many ppl use streak instead of ball of lightning - despite virtually every experienced sorc player saying the latter is the stronger morph and advocating for it to be nerfed alongside matriarch?
Reason 1: Barspace. You can´t really fit a dedicated CC that competes with eledrain or matriarch.
Reason 2: Available CC alternatives. There aren´t really any. Cage is absolutely useless and clench has the same range as streak.

That´s where you get the dissonance in feedback over streak from.
Sorc players generally complain about it being a lackluster offensive CC for themselves.
Players fighting sorcs generally complain about it being a very potent defensive cc or enabling OTHER players than the sorc to hit them.

Ironically both are right with their complaints. Bolt escape and morphs aren´t very well balanced.

I would take back frag cc anyday rather than streak

I agree with all your points but as always most wouldn't have a faintest idea on what you are talking about as either they don't actually play sorc or have only used steak cc to zerg down someone else.

BOL although OP is a necessary evil though and much needed for solo open world as the other morph is mostly for duels/ group / zerg style pvp

Frag CC is not the solution. In most circumstances it is worse than streak. It can be dodged & block, has a quite visible telegraph and a minimum travling time. Streaks AoE even helps you against cloakers.

The only really viable solution is to make Rune Cage viable again. And that can only happen if it is undodgeable and unblockable as the delay and huge telegraph make it far too easy to avoid. I keep telling ZOS that. But no, an unavoidable AoE stun on a gap opener / gap closer / AoE effect seems far more balanced in their eyes.

Current Streak sucks for everybody involved. @Derra pretty much said it all.

Besides that, @ZOS adding a CC to a spammable after preaching for years how damage and CC should not exist on the same ability is a really bad move. First you spent countless updates nerfing abilities only to start adding it back again after you are finally done ... And with only 1 class getting it, where is the balance in that?!

Galarthor wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Every magblade playing the game would kill for a skill as powerful and versatile as Streak. Like I said, it would replace 3 skills for me (possibly 4 actually). Unless I'm missing something big, it sure seems to me that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth here.

Streak is one of the skills that seems insanely powerful when you have someone (preferably outnumbering you) using it against you.
When you try to use it as an offensive CC (let alone gapcloser - i can assure you that doesn´t work reliably) against anyone semi competent you realize where it falls short and why.

Streak is a terrible offensive cc for your own offense.
Streak is also a strong defensive cc.
The cost increase makes it prohibitive to use offensively (the offensive stun area is smaller than the defensive one).
The dmg is pitiful at best.
It doesn´t allow you to force any ability except meteor to hit (with meteor generally being a meh ultimate and nobody dying to meteor + curse alone).
To use it you´re forced into a combat situation where you generally do not want to be as a sorc - melee.

So why is it that so many ppl use streak instead of ball of lightning - despite virtually every experienced sorc player saying the latter is the stronger morph and advocating for it to be nerfed alongside matriarch?
Reason 1: Barspace. You can´t really fit a dedicated CC that competes with eledrain or matriarch.
Reason 2: Available CC alternatives. There aren´t really any. Cage is absolutely useless and clench has the same range as streak.

That´s where you get the dissonance in feedback over streak from.
Sorc players generally complain about it being a lackluster offensive CC for themselves.
Players fighting sorcs generally complain about it being a very potent defensive cc or enabling OTHER players than the sorc to hit them.

Ironically both are right with their complaints. Bolt escape and morphs aren´t very well balanced.

I would take back frag cc anyday rather than streak

I agree with all your points but as always most wouldn't have a faintest idea on what you are talking about as either they don't actually play sorc or have only used steak cc to zerg down someone else.

BOL although OP is a necessary evil though and much needed for solo open world as the other morph is mostly for duels/ group / zerg style pvp

Frag CC is not the solution. In most circumstances it is worse than streak. It can be dodged & block, has a quite visible telegraph and a minimum travling time. Streaks AoE even helps you against cloakers.

The only really viable solution is to make Rune Cage viable again. And that can only happen if it is undodgeable and unblockable as the delay and huge telegraph make it far too easy to avoid. I keep telling ZOS that. But no, an unavoidable AoE stun on a gap opener / gap closer / AoE effect seems far more balanced in their eyes.

Current Streak sucks for everybody involved. @Derra pretty much said it all.

Besides that, @ZOS adding a CC to a spammable after preaching for years how damage and CC should not exist on the same ability is a really bad move. First you spent countless updates nerfing abilities only to start adding it back again after you are finally done ... And with only 1 class getting it, where is the balance in that?!

Summerset has proven that an unavoidable stun that let's you combo stuff into it is broken on sorc, there's no point discussing this any further

Oh yeah? Streak is pretty much unavoidable in the meteor combo. Where is the outcry over noob sorcs easily killing everything? How come stamcros are at the top of the food chain?

Galarthor wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

Every magblade playing the game would kill for a skill as powerful and versatile as Streak. Like I said, it would replace 3 skills for me (possibly 4 actually). Unless I'm missing something big, it sure seems to me that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth here.

Streak is one of the skills that seems insanely powerful when you have someone (preferably outnumbering you) using it against you.
When you try to use it as an offensive CC (let alone gapcloser - i can assure you that doesn´t work reliably) against anyone semi competent you realize where it falls short and why.

Streak is a terrible offensive cc for your own offense.
Streak is also a strong defensive cc.
The cost increase makes it prohibitive to use offensively (the offensive stun area is smaller than the defensive one).
The dmg is pitiful at best.
It doesn´t allow you to force any ability except meteor to hit (with meteor generally being a meh ultimate and nobody dying to meteor + curse alone).
To use it you´re forced into a combat situation where you generally do not want to be as a sorc - melee.

So why is it that so many ppl use streak instead of ball of lightning - despite virtually every experienced sorc player saying the latter is the stronger morph and advocating for it to be nerfed alongside matriarch?
Reason 1: Barspace. You can´t really fit a dedicated CC that competes with eledrain or matriarch.
Reason 2: Available CC alternatives. There aren´t really any. Cage is absolutely useless and clench has the same range as streak.

That´s where you get the dissonance in feedback over streak from.
Sorc players generally complain about it being a lackluster offensive CC for themselves.
Players fighting sorcs generally complain about it being a very potent defensive cc or enabling OTHER players than the sorc to hit them.

Ironically both are right with their complaints. Bolt escape and morphs aren´t very well balanced.

I would take back frag cc anyday rather than streak

I agree with all your points but as always most wouldn't have a faintest idea on what you are talking about as either they don't actually play sorc or have only used steak cc to zerg down someone else.

BOL although OP is a necessary evil though and much needed for solo open world as the other morph is mostly for duels/ group / zerg style pvp

Frag CC is not the solution. In most circumstances it is worse than streak. It can be dodged & block, has a quite visible telegraph and a minimum travling time. Streaks AoE even helps you against cloakers.

The only really viable solution is to make Rune Cage viable again. And that can only happen if it is undodgeable and unblockable as the delay and huge telegraph make it far too easy to avoid. I keep telling ZOS that. But no, an unavoidable AoE stun on a gap opener / gap closer / AoE effect seems far more balanced in their eyes.

Current Streak sucks for everybody involved. @Derra pretty much said it all.

Besides that, @ZOS adding a CC to a spammable after preaching for years how damage and CC should not exist on the same ability is a really bad move. First you spent countless updates nerfing abilities only to start adding it back again after you are finally done ... And with only 1 class getting it, where is the balance in that?!

Summerset has proven that an unavoidable stun that let's you combo stuff into it is broken on sorc, there's no point discussing this any further

Oh yeah? Streak is pretty much unavoidable in the meteor combo. Where is the outcry over noob sorcs easily killing everything? How come stamcros are at the top of the food chain?

Zelos wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

#bringbackfragstun

Surprise attack isnt a ranged skill, so no.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Anyron , I don't know, magsorcs are actually quite all right in PvE as of now, excluding abysmal sustain. And you want at least one in the group anyway.

Back to topic though, from PvE standpoint it's a silly change. Yes, PvE NBs are better off using Rapid Strikes, but channeled skill just feels disgusting to use, so I'm sure most will keep using SA, and I'm so done with having everything around CC immune in dungeons.