Thevampirenight wrote: »

RefLiberty wrote: »

The major thing that OP missed in his post is relation to archived accounts or "the Account Cold storage"
While this indeed takes some storage space it doesn't do much to live performance as those accounts are inactive, as for example, no live request are being made to databases and such. As for example, when you open your bag, you send the request to server to query the DB and return the list of the items you have so you can browse the items, and all other traffic that is made between the client and the server while you play the game.
Accounts in cold storage are dormant and not doing any requests-traffic so don't have a much of the impact.

Btw, why such a hype with NW, it looks pretty crappy and boring.

I seen people mentioning it and I included it in the thread because people are interested in it. I might have to look up what it is but if its release helps the game performance then clearly its a good thing.

The only reason people are even looking at other games is because the performance is so bad right now. This game could be the best current MMO but alas no its riddled with issues.

You mixed storage and calculation. They are not the same thing. At best, cold storage will help with login time and character selection. I don't think that will help in game.

Typically, the reduction of game size had improve loading time but the performance hasn't changed.

El_Ploplo wrote: »

You mixed storage and calculation. They are not the same thing. At best, cold storage will help with login time and character selection. I don't think that will help in game.

It will help in game.

Think of this as a phone book, if you are old enough to remember what a phone book is. It is not just used at login. Every time you see a character represented in the game world, something has to look up that character information in that phone book and give it to you. Now imagine thousands of players online at the same time needing to know stuff about who is in the game with them and how busy that phone book is going to be. Finally, imagine that no one has been removed from that phone book... ever... and it is filled with the names and details of people who are dead or moved away.

There are probably 15 million player records in that database, and easily as many character records. That is a big phone book.

It may take a computer just a few extra nanoseconds to find "Bob" on page 7,299,374 but that time adds up.

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Can you imagine how much smoother the game would be if all the people who were threatening to leave just left? Man, that'll be the day.

Be careful what you wish for, you may actually get it. I've seen other MMOs end up with only whales flashing their money purchases, few people doing content, fewer still willing to help newbies/lowbies. And those games were far from shutting down, since money kept flowing into the publisher's pockets.

daemonios wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Can you imagine how much smoother the game would be if all the people who were threatening to leave just left? Man, that'll be the day.

Be careful what you wish for, you may actually get it. I've seen other MMOs end up with only whales flashing their money purchases, few people doing content, fewer still willing to help newbies/lowbies. And those games were far from shutting down, since money kept flowing into the publisher's pockets.

Oh I'm definitely wishing for it. The casuals and newer players will more than compensate. The forum would be a breath of fresh air, particularly at weekends. They won't be missed.

Alright lets talk about this because 75% is a big number for something I see will be mundane, but maybe I don't understand.
The server accesses character data(the hard drive) one time from what I believe at login and incrementally updates that data from time to to time. Which is why when the sever rolls back, you have a chance to loose character progress. A full hard drive will slow down this process (which isn't the slowest,) and may slow the sever down while it's processing the transfer.
From what I'm theorizing out of @MartiniDaniels worse case scenario, one full hard drive that can no longer process requests gets enough requests to it from a sever that backlogs and fills it's memory with the data to be sent to the hard drive until it crashes. In this scenario though one server would need to target one hard drive, with enough requests for that to happen.
Where server A tells node A write to hard drive A, and server B tells node A write to hard drive A. Node A fills with transfer data to hard drive A till eventually it crashes.

What it doesn't do is slow the servers or client systems down when more than one player casts an ability, renders on screen... Or make delay significantly worse after a patch, or add plain glitches. The lag players see in such conditions is continuous, not periodical. When the server updates the hard drives it would be one hiccup or lag spike and would not correlate to battle conditions.

Once again though it may do minor fixes like decrease login time. Maybe zone changes if each server instance has to reload your character from the hard drives (which I don't think they do because player status effects transfer from server to server not hard drive to server...) Guild store requests if each store item is written and rewritten to a hard drive (which may be on a diffrent system of hard drives and not be effected at all.)
Really once again don't think it'll change much.

And again Optimizing storage is the slight fix you perceive not cold storage. If you don't keep active hard drives optimized you'll encounter the same problem. Removing nodes in the system doesn't decrease load time in itself unless you remove 'levels' or these sub systems. I:E the number of steps/computers between a server and a hard drive. Which I don't know this cold storage plan entails, being there talking about how full a hard drive is and not how many steps it takes to get to one. Though the more steps you have the safer the system is from your worse case scenario, as with ship compartments, levels mean smaller portions of the system fail before a larger hold up consumes the whole system.
The more nodes you add the larger a sub system becomes physically yes, but that doesn't mean it'll process any more requests and become slower. The addresses will get slightly larger and that is about as big a delay you'll see.

Finally again though I think it's far from the heart of the problem. Which is a multi level issue, including this one. So do it, but don't claim 75%...

The problem would most likely not be accounts that are not being used as that uses disk space and not server memory which is what the calculations are done in.

I don't think they use the memory on the client machines enough and the loading for each zone or dungeon causes a lot of the issues.

The game doesn't seem to preload enough things. A dungeon shouldn't cause the whole zone you came from to be unloaded so that it has to be reloaded again when you leave, if you computer has enough memory to hold it.

They have made the game require way to many items for things like crafting bloating the memory requirement for keeping things in memory.

TineaCruris wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

Can the OP, or anyone else, point to any evidence that Zenimax is even addressing the performance issues?

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58045?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487396/official-discussion-thread-for-esos-performance-improvements-plan

Thank you for the reply. I am fully aware of the claims that are being made that the performance issues are being addressed.

What I asked was if anyone could point to evidence that these claims are being fulfilled.

Actually, you asked for, and I quote, "evidence that Zenimax is even addressing the performance issues". Asked. Provided.

will it?

my latency got lower, but load screens are way longer and i get mini load screens in pve zones now. one step forward, two steps back.