Yes Performance will get better.

Thevampirenight

How you might wonder, well here is the thing about the performance.
Its clearly very bad, and efforts to curve it have not really helped much they have helped in ways but have not fixed the issue or even in cases made it worse for the player base.
The servers are suffering because they have to much data on them, not only data but also to many calcuations they have to perform. They are boggled down with so much data on them that performance is very bad.

The Pet Changes will help a little, but I don't think it would be as noticeable the reason because there is so much data on the servers. So many accounts with so much data on them many or most of them years old.
The Aoe changes I do think will help the server as well but again I don't think it will be as great of a change.
I do think the performance will go up when New World comes out as many might bail from Eso and go to that. That will help and if you are going to quit the game for good. Please delete everything in your crafting bags delete all your mail and delete as many characters as you can. This will help the performance for the rest of us. New World will likely help out Eso by just coming out.

The biggest thing that I do think will be the game change for game performance and will be an actual fix and make the other fixes that don't seem to be helpful and worth it is the Account Cold Storage.
The Account Cold storage is like another server just for storing inactive accounts. Why this will be the game changer is because so many accounts are most likely inactive ones that players either quit, or got banned or for other reasons and they never came back.

That data is still on the servers all their achievements, characters, mats, inventories collectibles are still there taking up space on the servers. By moving that data off server to another cold storage server. That would clear off so much space on the servers. It would clear up so much to the point that a lot of the calculations would be able to have more memory space to do what they have to do and the game server performance will go up and because of this the game itself will be so much better with performance.
There is likely millions of inactive accounts with so much data on them they are making the Account Cold storage to get that data off the servers. That will indeed be the game changer. I could be wrong but I do think it will be the game changer to the whole performance debacle.
Now don't expect much in improvements with Greymoor. Or anything until they finish up the Account Cold Storage.
Once that is in then we will see the true performance improvements. Anything done before Account Cold Storage is done to help with things but won't fix the problem.
The Account Cold Storage will be the true performance improvement change.

justaquickword

Before you get shot down in flames by the angry hoardes I'd just like to commend your bravery.

VaranisArano

"I hope it makes a positive difference."
- Me, every time ZOS does something that's "supposed" to help with our performance issues. (Sometimes it does the opposite.)

Lord-Otto

"New World" is a very funny way to pronounce "Elden Ring". But man, this thread is going to be glorious! xD

Thevampirenight

justaquickword wrote: »

Before you get shot down in flames by the angry hoardes I'd just like to commend your bravery.

How is being hopeful for the future when it comes to performance being Brave?

clocksstoppe

Lol cold storage, i really wish it could do miracles but have we learned nothing about trusting ZOS with these "don't worry guys we will fix performance this time for sure" claims?

Thevampirenight

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Lol cold storage, i really wish it could do miracles but have we learned nothing about trusting ZOS with these "don't worry guys we will fix performance this time for sure" claims?

Well its logical to assume the Account Cold Storage would be the one that helps the most with the problem just because it frees space on the servers that is needed for all the massive amounts of calculations they must perform.
Its just like you need enough free space to allow a game to run. Without much memory game won't run as smoothly. Do to memory being limited. That is how it is I believe with the servers. Getting rid of that data and storing it would clearly help and I do think it will because it will be clearing up much needed memory.

RefLiberty

The major thing that OP missed in his post is relation to archived accounts or "the Account Cold storage"
While this indeed takes some storage space it doesn't do much to live performance as those accounts are inactive, as for example, no live request are being made to databases and such. As for example, when you open your bag, you send the request to server to query the DB and return the list of the items you have so you can browse the items, and all other traffic that is made between the client and the server while you play the game.
Accounts in cold storage are dormant and not doing any requests-traffic so don't have a much of the impact.

Btw, why such a hype with NW, it looks pretty crappy and boring.

oXI_Viper_IXo

Well it would be tough for it to get much worse...

If there's a way, ZOS will find it though.

Thevampirenight

RefLiberty wrote: »

The major thing that OP missed in his post is relation to archived accounts or "the Account Cold storage"
While this indeed takes some storage space it doesn't do much to live performance as those accounts are inactive, as for example, no live request are being made to databases and such. As for example, when you open your bag, you send the request to server to query the DB and return the list of the items you have so you can browse the items, and all other traffic that is made between the client and the server while you play the game.
Accounts in cold storage are dormant and not doing any requests-traffic so don't have a much of the impact.

Btw, why such a hype with NW, it looks pretty crappy and boring.

I seen people mentioning it and I included it in the thread because people are interested in it. I might have to look up what it is but if its release helps the game performance then clearly its a good thing.

LeHarrt91

Was the Account Cold Storage pushed back to another Update? i thought i was coming with Update 26.

clocksstoppe

Thevampirenight wrote: »

it frees space on the servers that is needed for all the massive amounts of calculations they must perform.

Clearly you don't have any idea what you are talking about. The only way for the servers to churn more calculations is to improve CPU or RAM frequency, capacity does nothing to improve runtime.

virtus753

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Was the Account Cold Storage pushed back to another Update? i thought i was coming with Update 26.

Yes, it was:

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Android_Archer

If I've learned nothing else in my 20+ years as an IT Professional, I have learned that "Memory" doesn't get used by inactive data.

Thevampirenight

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

it frees space on the servers that is needed for all the massive amounts of calculations they must perform.

Clearly you don't have any idea what you are talking about. The only way for the servers to churn more calculations is to improve CPU or RAM frequency, capacity does nothing to improve runtime.

Well I didn't claim to be an expert and I still hope it does improve things anyways.
They should upgrade the servers ram and cpu's. Upgrade them to run better as well as do the account storage. Anything they do on that front is bound to be helpful and I do hope its on the agenda.

ShawnLaRock

The Little Engine That Couldn’t.

I THINK it can?
I think it can’t.
I KNOW it can’t!

S.

Edit: punctuation

SweepsAllClowns

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Well it would be tough for it to get much worse...

If there's a way, ZOS will find it though.

You are absolutely correct, my Xbox EU account got completely stuck after the Wrathstone download so it's been so now for 1 year, 1 month and 16 days. I've created a new Xbox account and tried if I could login on EU with it, it works totally fine so the problem isn't with my connection or anything else on my side. I still play on NA server mostly pvp, however my NA account could get stuck also and it's game over just like that. It's just the same how much you have played or spent money on your account, you get the troubleshoot list and then you better hope you can get your account working somehow by yourself.

5cript

this will only help with logins, maybe disconnect and maybe with guild stores.
Unless they overuse the DB for unorthodox things, then maybe, but that would be frightening.

I wish I still had your optimism.

danthemann5

Thevampirenight wrote: »

justaquickword wrote: »

Before you get shot down in flames by the angry hoardes I'd just like to commend your bravery.

How is being hopeful for the future when it comes to performance being Brave?

It isn't. There is, however, another word for it. Several, in fact.

Relladen

If enough people actually leave ESO for New World to make a difference on performance, then it's entirely possible that the opposite of what you're saying could happen. Less revenue means server maintenance, development, and support could suffer.

Hurbster

My pc performance will gets bit better once the multi-threading comes in with the chapter update. It's six years old and the CPU is an old AMD FX 6300, it's single core performance is pretty sucky nowadays but it's multi core performance is much better. Ironically, if not for the current emergency I'd have a new PC. I'd saved up the money for one but what with being on furlough and not getting full wages at the moment that's needed to pay the bills. Hopefully back to work and earning full pay soon. Want to try and upgrade by the time Cyberpunk comes out.

Pinja

Android_Archer wrote: »

If I've learned nothing else in my 20+ years as an IT Professional, I have learned that "Memory" doesn't get used by inactive data.

Yeah... I dno about this whole cold storage theory. Unless our data has been stored in such a way one that one power outage could wipe it, it's probably on a hard drive. If the hard drives they use nearing capacity they should probably just get more hard drives. It's going to take the same amount of space anyways.

Zos agrees with your idea though. From: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56681

Account Database “Cold Storage”: This work is scheduled to start after the Database Caching work and has been shifted out to Update 28 or Update 29 based on how the Database Caching goes.

Which may just do like @5cript says and not really address the worst lag felt by players.
Since it's a different type of server that manages the request.

5cript wrote: »

this will only help with logins, maybe disconnect and maybe with guild stores.
Unless they overuse the DB for unorthodox things, then maybe, but that would be frightening.

I wish I still had your optimism.

I personally would not trust them making the data transfers as they may loose, duplicate, and corrupt account data. If anyone remembers the carbon transfer to console they didn't bring the identifiers to say which server the account should be on. Resulting in people having there character stuck in the EU server, gold duplication, and a few other glitches. That was a one time transfer compared to me and many others coming and going from the game resulting in a yo-yo in and out of this proposed server.

Not saying it might not improve account related transactions(which work pretty fine most of the time now.)
But my solution addresses the real problem and is better.

The cold storage solution sounds like a way to neglect optimizing space, rather than optimize performance.

furiouslog

Things just keep getting worse with no end in sight.

xXMeowMeowXx

Thevampirenight wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

it frees space on the servers that is needed for all the massive amounts of calculations they must perform.

Clearly you don't have any idea what you are talking about. The only way for the servers to churn more calculations is to improve CPU or RAM frequency, capacity does nothing to improve runtime.

Well I didn't claim to be an expert and I still hope it does improve things anyways.
They should upgrade the servers ram and cpu's. Upgrade them to run better as well as do the account storage. Anything they do on that front is bound to be helpful and I do hope its on the agenda.

Imo since they are still dealing with other areas of the game rather than just performance....I don’t see how anything mentioned will really make a major impact.

I hope I am wrong but half a decade plus says otherwise.

EmEm_Oh

Thevampirenight wrote: »

How you might wonder, well here is the thing about the performance.
Its clearly very bad, and efforts to curve it have not really helped much they have helped in ways but have not fixed the issue or even in cases made it worse for the player base.
The servers are suffering because they have to much data on them, not only data but also to many calcuations they have to perform. They are boggled down with so much data on them that performance is very bad.

The Pet Changes will help a little, but I don't think it would be as noticeable the reason because there is so much data on the servers. So many accounts with so much data on them many or most of them years old.
The Aoe changes I do think will help the server as well but again I don't think it will be as great of a change.
I do think the performance will go up when New World comes out as many might bail from Eso and go to that. That will help and if you are going to quit the game for good. Please delete everything in your crafting bags delete all your mail and delete as many characters as you can. This will help the performance for the rest of us. New World will likely help out Eso by just coming out.

The biggest thing that I do think will be the game change for game performance and will be an actual fix and make the other fixes that don't seem to be helpful and worth it is the Account Cold Storage.
The Account Cold storage is like another server just for storing inactive accounts. Why this will be the game changer is because so many accounts are most likely inactive ones that players either quit, or got banned or for other reasons and they never came back.

That data is still on the servers all their achievements, characters, mats, inventories collectibles are still there taking up space on the servers. By moving that data off server to another cold storage server. That would clear off so much space on the servers. It would clear up so much to the point that a lot of the calculations would be able to have more memory space to do what they have to do and the game server performance will go up and because of this the game itself will be so much better with performance.
There is likely millions of inactive accounts with so much data on them they are making the Account Cold storage to get that data off the servers. That will indeed be the game changer. I could be wrong but I do think it will be the game changer to the whole performance debacle.
Now don't expect much in improvements with Greymoor. Or anything until they finish up the Account Cold Storage.
Once that is in then we will see the true performance improvements. Anything done before Account Cold Storage is done to help with things but won't fix the problem.
The Account Cold Storage will be the true performance improvement change.

The redownload of the client WAS supposed to be THE beginning of improvements.

ACS doesn't "ping" the servers. Only active users who login.

As to "too many data calcs"...they need to catchup to the 21st Century. Reducing those calcs...will reduce realism. Realism and dynamis are what we pay for...or at least want.

daemonios

OP sounds like my mother who, whenever she had computer issues, put it down to a "lack of memory on the hard drive". After which she usually demanded I uninstall some games.

Maybe... MAYBE cleaning up databases will improve performance a bit by reducing their size. But I have to question their architecture if every single bit that makes up the game needs to be loaded into working memory regardless of whether it's being used. And if that's not the case anyway, then cold storage might not be the miracle cure OP hopes it will be.

holden_caulfield

RefLiberty wrote: »

The major thing that OP missed in his post is relation to archived accounts or "the Account Cold storage"
While this indeed takes some storage space it doesn't do much to live performance as those accounts are inactive, as for example, no live request are being made to databases and such. As for example, when you open your bag, you send the request to server to query the DB and return the list of the items you have so you can browse the items, and all other traffic that is made between the client and the server while you play the game.
Accounts in cold storage are dormant and not doing any requests-traffic so don't have a much of the impact.

Btw, why such a hype with NW, it looks pretty crappy and boring.

The problem lais in the number of records theDBs have to manage.
Many many records are there for accounts dead years ago.
But select insert e index reconstruction dont know that

mairwen85

Account cold storage will only improve performance under the assumption that every man and his dog logs in at exactly the same time. If that were the case we'd only see a 5minute lag spike once per day.

Thevampirenight

daemonios wrote: »

OP sounds like my mother who, whenever she had computer issues, put it down to a "lack of memory on the hard drive". After which she usually demanded I uninstall some games.

Maybe... MAYBE cleaning up databases will improve performance a bit by reducing their size. But I have to question their architecture if every single bit that makes up the game needs to be loaded into working memory regardless of whether it's being used. And if that's not the case anyway, then cold storage might not be the miracle cure OP hopes it will be.

Well its one thing that I hope does help. Even if it isn't something that can. Well I'm not your mother.
I did happen to my fps by disk defraging and other measures for my laptop. Though Defraging is best for Hard Disk Drives and you don't want to do it with a solid drive or something. I also cleared out some games. I'm getting better fps at least then before still quite low but not as it was.
The point is, there is measures Zenimax can take to help with performance. Stuff they can do with their servers hopefully to optimize them and improve their performance output. Cleaning code, fixing it up, deleting unneeded code, moving all those accounts that are not active to cold storage, optimizing/ defraging the servers. Doing whatever it takes anything to make performance better.
Anything they can do that would work should be taken at this point.

Also the stuff Fengrush was mentioning should be taken up and fixed. Like all the healing stacking/buff stacking. Reducing that so you can have one buff not like 60. Other stuff like that needs to be done as well. Reducing Group size to 12 max should also be done.
Those things would help for sure and could be the core cause of the issue. .

Ruder

I love how people who don't have a clue how Server-Client relations work, explain how freeing HDD storage will improve performance OMEGALUL.


There are 2 bottlenecks to the performance:
1) Server Compute Resources (NOT STORAGE CAPACITY)
2) Network bandwidth and network hardware limitations (on the server side but not as likely as the Server Resources)

LatinoShaman59

Either way, until performance issues are resolved, I will not get another ESO Plus, and if this continues I will probably not purchase Greymoor.

It's about time massive changes are put in place, and it's frustrating for us since we see the game has huge potential even today as an MMO.

At this point, I'm starting to consider they just don't care.