Unless I am missing something this is bugged for me this time around. I have cleared the green one.. and the ones around it all showed yellow but i cleared them anyway incase it was glitched.. All the other things i have dug up have been 2 spots beside each other.. This one keeps saying I have not found the item.. when I go to close it.. And i still have the Augur active....

Could we please for the love of the divines have versions of the ancestral armor acquired through the antiquities system offered at the outfitting station without crotch flaps and tassets?

resdayn00 wrote: »

Leads:
I'm still not sure how to approach finding leads. Yesterday I couldn't find any except for the ones found during excavations. Today I managed to find two, a blue one in a random container through thieving in Vivec city, and a legendary one in a Psijic Portal in Artaeum. I find it really confusing that we don't know which zone a lead is found in. The legendary one seems to be part of the Thrassian Stranglers, and is shown in 5 zones, but 4 of them didn't show it under the Scryables, and the 5th zone is Eyevea which I can't access on the PTS. Also the leads don't appear as items in your inventory, but automatically added to the Antiquities menu, which makes it even more confusing. I haven't found a single one from chests, monsters, fishing, or talking to merchants. The ones I found during excavations are always the same route: Green gives blue, blue gives purple, purple gives nothing, next green can give blue, which seemingly won't give you a next purple. I wonder how rare the rest of the leads are, which frankly make up most of the system.

This. I was using my main copied character. Everything was easy for me to connect the dots and figure everything out except leads. It feels like if you have done all the quests and already explored the zones like on my main character that it will be very hard and annoying to find new leads. I have not found a single lead other than the ones we already had unlocked and the ones you get from completing the leads we already had. I have ran around looting/searching and talking to NPCs in Eastmarch for a couple hours dedicated to this thinking I would find at least one lead and I've found none.

Did you use a copied character or template?

I used my main achievements character.

What did you think of the introduction and tutorial quests? Were you able to find them?

I initially had trouble with the dig mound loading for the tutorial. However, when it finally loaded, it went all right. I was still rather confused on how it was all going to work, though.

Did you discover any Antiquity Leads while playing?

Yes, both from the actual digs and while harvesting nodes, unlocking chests, and fighting NPCs.

Did you understand how Scrying and Excavation worked? What did you think of them?

I really didn't at first. I suppose I had enough information to get started, but it really wasn't until I was leveled up to 3 on both Scrying and Excavation that I got what was going on. Then it was a blast.

What did you think of the rewards themselves?

Most are OK, of course. But I really like the notion of building toward the bigger rewards. I already have a lead on one of the pieces of the Thrassian Strangler gloves.

Were you able to find the individual locations within dig sites within a reasonable timeframe?

Yes. The pointers help, of course. You might suggest to people that they do the starter islands first to level up and get a feel for how it works. Then the long slogs between sites in chapter zones like Vvardenfell and Orsinium will not wear someone out right at the very beginning, before they get a feel for what's going on.

Do you have any other general feedback?

I don't recall seeing a "whoosh" message saying I had leveled up in Scrying and Excavating. I found I had to go look in skills to see if it had leveled so I could spend more skill points.

I think the numbers for how many turns you have and other assists needs to be bigger. In fact, I don't think I ever found the place where it said how many turns I had left. There's a visual indication that I finally figured out. I didn't look, but if there is a controls map of the scrying and excavating minigames in the help menu, that would be very good.

I really dislike how when you loot a lead it goes directly into your journal. Half the time, I have no idea what lead I have just learned. This just turns what should feel like 'excitement' quickly into 'confusion' instead. I would prefer it if they land in my inventory first, so I can have a better look at them, while I marvel at my luck a little, and then let me click on them to add them to my journal.

Is it intended that all leads should require Master+ level scrying and excavation after a character has all passives unlocked? I suppose that would keep people from steamrolling easier boards with their unlocked abilities, but it seems pretty silly to have to do the hardest level puzzles for simple green or blue treasures.

Ilsabet wrote: »

• Did you use a copied character or template?

Copied.

• What did you think of the introduction and tutorial quests? Were you able to find them?

I went to Solitude for the purpose of trying out Antiquities, and I found the flyer on the wall easily enough. Picking up the quest got me to the building. So no real issues there.

The first confusing thing that happened was that when I walked into the Antiquities Circle building, I saw a subtitle for some Gabrielle dialogue, but heard no voiceover and couldn't find Gabrielle in the building at all. These subtitles popped up multiple times while I was there. After doing the tutorial, I understand that the text is what she says to people who are attempting to scry. You need to remove the subtitles for people who are not on that step of the tutorial.

As most everyone has said, the tutorial quest is confusing and does very little to help players understand how to do anything. I too spent an inordinate amount of time wandering around the building spamming my new memento until I finally did a search on the forum that led me to this thread. You need to have something telling people to open their journal and go to the Antiquities tab to scry. It's not intuitive at all and the directions are terrible.............

Most of the earlier post (of which this is just part) by @Ilsabet reflects my experience, although I didn't find the flyer and just found the Antiquities place by accident. The tutorial is obscure (why can you not to back to Gabrielle to get more hints or a reminder when trying to work out what to do, rather than just a patronising 'you'll get it in the end'? The language she uses is not always helpful; I get that it should be in 'in game' type speech, but it is rather unclear). The mound did not show up for the tutorial until I had relogged. The lack of clarity on what to look for did not help, so this was quite frustrating to start with. Didn't realise that I had to click on what to scry for first, nor quite where it was - as many have said you intuitively start with the object, not going to your journal (why is this not a quest perhaps? We are used to looking there for things to do). It was only though using the help, experimenting and using a guide someone had put out (thankyou!) that I worked out what to do overall (and I have a PhD, so I'm not stupid!). Once I had worked it out though the scrying and digging games were reasonably straightforward and quite fun. The crystal thing at the bottom filling up is unclear though - how many actual moves do you have left? And the digging for extras seems quite random with no real indication unlike the main treasure.

As others have said, I couldn't loot a thieves trove via R - had to do it one by one. Found a nice lead in one, but can't do it yet. It's not entitrely clear how best to level up the skill lines. And the 'energy' bar for using the trowel is in the way on the middle of the screen - this needs to be moved or movable. It's quite irritating.

Edit: I completely agree with the point that new leads should go into your inventory so you can look at them first and know what you have. What would be useful is an overall list of things that you scry for and where they are, rather than having to go into each zone list to check. Not clear that the scryable list is only for the zone you are in, rather than a list of everything you can choose to look for.

BUG

I've been able to repeat this four times now. When the artifact is located on the right edge of the dig site, it will not register as having been dug up. I don't know if this happens on the other edges or not, nor do I know if it also affects bonus loot items.

• Did you use a copied character or template?
  
  template (max CP) NOT fully skilled -> not sure what messed up, but after doing the tutorial I was bound to level and could not invest skill points to just go on trying different difficult levels.
  
• What did you think of the introduction and tutorial quests? Were you able to find them?
  
  I read this forum before I started out - so I was prepared, and still it took a little trial and error. Guess thats a clear thumbs down for the tutorial.
  
  As for the story-side of the introduction
  1) I am urged to vow to not just sell what I find but bring it back for studies-> yet not one of the antiquarians is interested in what i bring back. Unless I want to clutter my inventory I HAVE to sell the treasures.
  
  edit 1: This is a bug: scrying has no cooldown -> solution: quit game and try later
  
  2) When looking at a lead i am directed to one of the antiquarians via the journal-> yet there isn't anything they seem to have to do with my lead... or could possibly tell me about it. When you are in a cooldown for scrying (how long is that cooldown btw?, anyone knows?) you don't get any information of whether you are in the right spot or have to wait a little or just log in and out to proceed... nada, nothing. You are just left with no options that leave you think you are again mysteriously stupid. You are not even told there is a cool down on scrying! This isn't an encouraging feeling to try the feature again.
  
  The introductory story is rudimentally telling one about the cicle and what they do, the whys and hows are not well explained. The motives of the group are contradicted by the way the antiques system function (see 1) and the mechanics are so badly explained they leave you feeling dumb ( see edit 1).
  
  If this was the effect the designers wanted to achieve, well done!
  
  When it works, its fun with potential to addiction (if you like puzzles)
  
• Did you discover any Antiquity Leads while playing?
  Yes, I got 2 golden leads from random mobs, 1 purple lead from a thieves trove, one from a boss-mob, 1 blue lead from a psijik portal and one from excavating a bonus item.
  
  While this sounds amazing -> at level 1 scrying and excavating this is just discouraging knowing that leads only beeing available for 30 days.
  
  edith 2: at third try, no leads found at all. same playing time invested, same activities done as before
  
• Did you understand how Scrying and Excavation worked? What did you think of them?
  
  It took a little to figure it out, but once you get the hang it works like a charm. If /when it works at all that is.
  
  I think the minigames themselves are ok to try once in a while.
  
• What did you think of the rewards themselves?
  
  A motiv chapter page on level one (green lead) -> too good
  100 gold treasures -> imo not worth it.
  
• Were you able to find the individual locations within dig sites within a reasonable timeframe?
  
  For green leads: -> yes
  
  edit 3: Nothing happening when using the memento is a bug -> quit game and try again later
  
  Didn't figure out how the memento is supposed to help, tho. Or to put that differently: Nothing happended when using the memento. No lights, no pointers, no animation, no sounds, no voice... just plain: nothing -> not at/near the dig side, not outside of it, I may add.
  
  
• Do you have any other general feedback?
  
  Maybe later.
  
  edit 4: feedback:
  The minigames are fun, when you figure out how to do them AND the mechanics are not bugged.
  
  Rewards are not well balanced, imo.
  
  Finding leads seems to be bugged, regarding chance as well as quality of findings. If they are not tradeable and have a timer on them (30 days) I personally will not invest in such an activity, because my personal chances at having the option to participate/engage are very slim when I have 2-3 days with 1-3 hours playtime each, a month. I am aware PPl with more time to play may think differently, but thats my perspective. Adding to it, even if I find a lead, if its way above my own skill-level (eg. purple or golden lead at level 1) I wont have any chance to finish it, at all.
  -> Making leads tradeable may help with both, but will effect inventory management.

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Glurin wrote: »

BUG

I've been able to repeat this four times now. When the artifact is located on the right edge of the dig site, it will not register as having been dug up. I don't know if this happens on the other edges or not, nor do I know if it also affects bonus loot items.

Yep this happened to me I also included a screenshot and it only had ONE green square... so that is probably why

n0tthesun wrote: »

After every successful scry, the map is opened to show the revealed location. And every time this happens, it breaks my map. I cannot click on a wayshrine unless I /reloadui.

I'm using an imported character.

Down at the bottom of the map after you scry, there's an easily missed prompt that says something like "Press E to continue." Do that and the map is back to normal.

It's a bit confusing, I agree, but for me at least, once you're aware of that fact it's no big deal.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Antiquities. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• Did you use a copied character or template? )
• What did you think of the introduction and tutorial quests? Were you able to find them?
• Did you discover any Antiquity Leads while playing?
• Did you understand how Scrying and Excavation worked? What did you think of them?
• What did you think of the rewards themselves?
• Were you able to find the individual locations within dig sites within a reasonable timeframe?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

1. Yes & no (both)
2. Intro quest was good, but difficult to find unless you happen to read one of the post-notes on a wall. If you're just looking to start, & dont know this, you can't distinguish between a regular quest & an antiquities starter.
3. I was only able to find 3 epic (purple) leads... all of which were unusable without the passives unlocked. Please make them usable or make them only drop in lower quality until the passive is unlocked. OR, remove the expiration timer from these things, it's dang near impossible to find green level leads to scry to level up the passives in time to do the epic you find. (I tried looting, thieving, murder, and boss slaughter, all for hours, only to end up with 3 purples i couldnt use)
4. I understood, after some fiddling about. A little more descriptive text on the digging window during the intro quest may help with this.
5. The rewards are nice, (but we could always ask for more yes?)
6. The one in northern part of western skyrim was in an area which must have had quest related frost-over of vision, which drastically diminished the ability to find it. ( it took me 1.5hrs)
7. Further information from the quest giver about how to level up the skills would be nice. A restriction on "lead" drop levels until the related lead level in the "scrying" passive was unlocked would be nice, so that any lead that does drop, can actually be used, can help you level it, rather than just disappointingly expiring. Please remove the expiry on leads.

Gandamir wrote: »

Once you have all the passives, Scrying is far too easy. Using the step 4-6 spaces outward in a straight line, the hardest difficulty items are super easy to solve. These are Epic items, that should require work to figure out where they are. Yes, passives should help, but this skill is far too OP.

Here is an example of 3 moves using this skill:
https://imgur.com/Cj7l0ia

Did you use a copied character or template?

Level 1 template - so fresh start like on live.

What did you think of the introduction and tutorial quests? Were you able to find them?

I came to PTS to test that particular part of the update (the antiquities system) so I was actively looking for a quest giver to this system, but could not find any. I had to resort to Saucy jack's thread in here to find it. I don't know how much time it would have taken me to "naturally stumble upon it".
The tutorial quest was buggy (had to reloadui, log out and back, etc...). Frankly I did not understand much of the tutorial quest. The scrying and digging systems are pretty intuitive once you're in their respective interfaces, but the written explanations were confusing if anything.
Nothing INGAME told me to look at my journal and at this new tab there.
Also, nothing INGAME told me that the antiquities tab was only showing items in my current zone as scryable.
As a result I scried and digged 10 times the same item over and over (not funny) because I thought I had to gain XP, or invest skill points, or even do the other zones' main quests in order to access the antiquities system there. Only reading the forums informed me that I simply had to travel to other zones to access their antiquities.

Did you discover any Antiquity Leads while playing?

Yes, I was lucky with treasure chests and found a couple of leads there. It's nice to give players new incentives for chest opening / hunting.
I also got a lead dropped by a mob. Nice surprise and nice change from the general zone loot.

Did you understand how Scrying and Excavation worked? What did you think of them?

I love those minigames. I have invested a few skill points in scrying and digging tools, but I yet have to understand how they work, and the tooltips are of no help (admittedly I haven't put a lot of effort into understanding the tutorial and tooltips, but I believe the minigames should require efforts, not the tutorials or tooltips).

What did you think of the rewards themselves?

Looks nice. Haven't levelled the skill lines enough yet to discover the purple/gold rewards and I don't want to spoil the surprise, so I'll have to pass on that question.

Were you able to find the individual locations within dig sites within a reasonable timeframe?

Yes, but the blue "comet" shown by the device doesn't look enough like an arrow and sometimes it's hard to tell which direction it shows. Also, sometimes this "comet" gets stuck partly or entirely in the landscape (mountain for instance).
The cooldown to re-cast the device is faaar too long in my opinion.

Do you have any other general feedback?

This system is AWESOME, I love these things and that might keep me playing for yet another looong time.
The tutorial needs some refining obviously, I understand this is not an easy task.

One more thing, very important IMHO : give us some perk, ability, costume, whatever... to hide from mobs while hunting antiquities. Most digging zones are right in the middles of constantly respawning overland mobs. Who likes to fight overland mobs ? Noone playing for more than 6 months, I guess. The point is to take us back to older game zones, let us rediscover those zones, explore them again, enjoy the scenery, etc etc. NOT TO FIGHT OVERLAND MOBS OVER AND OVER YET AGAIN.
Please do something. Give us something that lets us not aggro mobs (if we choose so) while hunting antiquities. Not every Indiana Jones out there needs to be an undaunted warrior... THANK YOU !

hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »

Overall I liked the levelling process very much, but at some point the skills are just too much of a help.

Endgame scrying is not a Master difficulty, to be honest. You should look for Ultimate difficulty. It is not much harder, of course, but still.
The scrying screen: