Performance is unacceptable

Malmai · March 2020

ZOS_TrishM wrote: »

Greetings,

We've removed some comments that were bashing and discussing disciplinary action. As this thread continues be sure to stay constructive and keep the Forum Rules in mind to avoid derailing the thread.

Thank you for understanding.

n4b

Brandathorbel · March 2020

i was just in a dungeon. For every 2 seconds i was able to move i couldnt move for 10 seconds. Took me over 10 seconds to go into sneak. at the end of the dungeon i tried to look into my inventor and all the menus were blank. Just the border, than my whole UI disappeared.

quality stuff.

I feel i have no choice but to cancel my eso sub since why would i pay money to a game i cant play half the time.

AhPook_Is_Here · March 2020

I guess if you have been playing since the summer of 2014 the performance is, in fact, acceptable.

BuddyAces · March 2020

Xargas13 wrote: »

I hate to be that guy, but I am very fine here. Running the game on ultra and from questing to dungeons everything is fine, I updgraded my PC relatively recently, so I haven't tried PvP. But before I couldn't tell what killed me, because of lag.

I think the problem lies in the hardware, since I am fine and others not (asuming our PC gear on the same level) I would asume that it is not optimized for some GPUs or CPUs. So in my humble opinion they just need a better optimization for under performing hardware, under performing because of their engine that is.

On a side note, they have the same issue in SWTOR, only it is worse, FPS drops are attrotious there, both in dungeons and PvP, even for my upgraded PC. All that while I see people in general chat saying they have 100 FPS in PvP, and I am sitting here with my 40 PvP FPS in wonder. And 40 FPS is considered good, since standard is 20-30 FPS....

The solution to this is fairly simple in my opinion, temporary solution. In system requirements add a note which hardware is supported the most, and they know which I think, since they tested it on something after all. Buuuuut, I doubt they will do it, since people with not supported hardware won't buy the game or sub, so it cuts their profits.

Stuff works before the patch

stuff's broke after patch that is not fps or ping, we're talking about skills not working and an input delay with desync issues. Has nothing to do with a person's hardware.

Nanfoodle · March 2020

jircris11 wrote: »

Once more, I personally have seen improvements from load times to fps increase. Only time I get bad issues is pvp but that goes away when I lower my graphics from high to medium as my pc is not that great. From what I have gathered, ppl with mid range pcs seem to be seeing overall improvement where high end sees a decrease. I wonder if it's a comparability issue between the game and hardware.

Over all, update 25 has made my game run way smoother and faster. But most major updates like This come with a couple weeks of hot fixes. You never know fully how things will go till you launch live.

MentalxHammer · March 2020

ZOS has failed.

I'll be moving on.

MentalxHammer · March 2020

And I like how they spent so long messing up block cancelling to, "reduce server strain via excessive calculation." Well ZOS, you spent so much focus messing up core mechanics of the game that many new bugs have been introduced, causing a net decrease in game performance, SMH, this game should be so much more than it is!

iCaliban · March 2020

BuddyAces wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

I hate to be that guy, but I am very fine here. Running the game on ultra and from questing to dungeons everything is fine, I updgraded my PC relatively recently, so I haven't tried PvP. But before I couldn't tell what killed me, because of lag.

I think the problem lies in the hardware, since I am fine and others not (asuming our PC gear on the same level) I would asume that it is not optimized for some GPUs or CPUs. So in my humble opinion they just need a better optimization for under performing hardware, under performing because of their engine that is.

On a side note, they have the same issue in SWTOR, only it is worse, FPS drops are attrotious there, both in dungeons and PvP, even for my upgraded PC. All that while I see people in general chat saying they have 100 FPS in PvP, and I am sitting here with my 40 PvP FPS in wonder. And 40 FPS is considered good, since standard is 20-30 FPS....

The solution to this is fairly simple in my opinion, temporary solution. In system requirements add a note which hardware is supported the most, and they know which I think, since they tested it on something after all. Buuuuut, I doubt they will do it, since people with not supported hardware won't buy the game or sub, so it cuts their profits.

Stuff works before the patch
stuff's broke after patch that is not fps or ping, we're talking about skills not working and an input delay with desync issues. Has nothing to do with a person's hardware.

Precisely. I have great framerates. That isnt the issue. Ability lag, break free not responding, abilities ghost firing, etc. Those are the real issues

TheFM · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

I hate to be that guy, but I am very fine here. Running the game on ultra and from questing to dungeons everything is fine, I updgraded my PC relatively recently, so I haven't tried PvP. But before I couldn't tell what killed me, because of lag.

I think the problem lies in the hardware, since I am fine and others not (asuming our PC gear on the same level) I would asume that it is not optimized for some GPUs or CPUs. So in my humble opinion they just need a better optimization for under performing hardware, under performing because of their engine that is.

On a side note, they have the same issue in SWTOR, only it is worse, FPS drops are attrotious there, both in dungeons and PvP, even for my upgraded PC. All that while I see people in general chat saying they have 100 FPS in PvP, and I am sitting here with my 40 PvP FPS in wonder. And 40 FPS is considered good, since standard is 20-30 FPS....

The solution to this is fairly simple in my opinion, temporary solution. In system requirements add a note which hardware is supported the most, and they know which I think, since they tested it on something after all. Buuuuut, I doubt they will do it, since people with not supported hardware won't buy the game or sub, so it cuts their profits.

Stuff works before the patch
stuff's broke after patch that is not fps or ping, we're talking about skills not working and an input delay with desync issues. Has nothing to do with a person's hardware.

Precisely. I have great framerates. That isnt the issue. Ability lag, break free not responding, abilities ghost firing, etc. Those are the real issues

Same here. 60 FPS, but lag out the hoohoo

barney2525 · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

I hate to be that guy, but I am very fine here. Running the game on ultra and from questing to dungeons everything is fine, I updgraded my PC relatively recently, so I haven't tried PvP. But before I couldn't tell what killed me, because of lag.

I think the problem lies in the hardware, since I am fine and others not (asuming our PC gear on the same level) I would asume that it is not optimized for some GPUs or CPUs. So in my humble opinion they just need a better optimization for under performing hardware, under performing because of their engine that is.

On a side note, they have the same issue in SWTOR, only it is worse, FPS drops are attrotious there, both in dungeons and PvP, even for my upgraded PC. All that while I see people in general chat saying they have 100 FPS in PvP, and I am sitting here with my 40 PvP FPS in wonder. And 40 FPS is considered good, since standard is 20-30 FPS....

The solution to this is fairly simple in my opinion, temporary solution. In system requirements add a note which hardware is supported the most, and they know which I think, since they tested it on something after all. Buuuuut, I doubt they will do it, since people with not supported hardware won't buy the game or sub, so it cuts their profits.

Stuff works before the patch
stuff's broke after patch that is not fps or ping, we're talking about skills not working and an input delay with desync issues. Has nothing to do with a person's hardware.

Precisely. I have great framerates. That isnt the issue. Ability lag, break free not responding, abilities ghost firing, etc. Those are the real issues

Not for me.

The Real issues are that this performance update has not improved the way my fingers keep hitting the wrong buttons.

I blame Zos

Draxys · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

I hate to be that guy, but I am very fine here. Running the game on ultra and from questing to dungeons everything is fine, I updgraded my PC relatively recently, so I haven't tried PvP. But before I couldn't tell what killed me, because of lag.

I think the problem lies in the hardware, since I am fine and others not (asuming our PC gear on the same level) I would asume that it is not optimized for some GPUs or CPUs. So in my humble opinion they just need a better optimization for under performing hardware, under performing because of their engine that is.

On a side note, they have the same issue in SWTOR, only it is worse, FPS drops are attrotious there, both in dungeons and PvP, even for my upgraded PC. All that while I see people in general chat saying they have 100 FPS in PvP, and I am sitting here with my 40 PvP FPS in wonder. And 40 FPS is considered good, since standard is 20-30 FPS....

The solution to this is fairly simple in my opinion, temporary solution. In system requirements add a note which hardware is supported the most, and they know which I think, since they tested it on something after all. Buuuuut, I doubt they will do it, since people with not supported hardware won't buy the game or sub, so it cuts their profits.

Stuff works before the patch
stuff's broke after patch that is not fps or ping, we're talking about skills not working and an input delay with desync issues. Has nothing to do with a person's hardware.

Precisely. I have great framerates. That isnt the issue. Ability lag, break free not responding, abilities ghost firing, etc. Those are the real issues

Also great fps, as well as decent ping. 100 frames, 90 ping, and it feels like 7x that.

Starpulsechic · March 2020

Can’t PvP since new patch BG or Cyro due to all issues acknowledged by ESO dev team for which they presently can’t fix.

I already have adapted to subpar performance due to being an oceanic player but the recent patch just has made PvP unplayable.

The most I can do is PVE overland and housing stuff but it gets boring after awhile.

I hope you find a solution soon Dev Team.

iCaliban · March 2020

A small update: Noticed a pretty severe memory leak while in cyrodil last night with my guild. The first hour framerates and lag were good, it then deteriorated to a slideshow with severe lag. Restarting client fixed it

BuddyAces · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

A small update: Noticed a pretty severe memory leak while in cyrodil last night with my guild. The first hour framerates and lag were good, it then deteriorated to a slideshow with severe lag. Restarting client fixed it

Did a bg last night and everything worked. Then the next 4 or so was nothing but all the problems of this patch. Rage quit for the night.

TheFM · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

A small update: Noticed a pretty severe memory leak while in cyrodil last night with my guild. The first hour framerates and lag were good, it then deteriorated to a slideshow with severe lag. Restarting client fixed it

I am having the exact same thing. I can get about 30 mins of gameplay in then BIF, awful memory leak and frames.

Arunei · March 2020

I wonder how long people who are going "give them time it's only been x amount of time" will keep saying this. Months from now if things are still as busted or worse than they are now, will they still claim that we should just keep waiting? The game has been live for nearly 6 years now, how long should we have to keep waiting for a game that works?

And I'm sorry, but saying "oh but this was a patch that reworked all the code" and such isn't an excuse. An overhaul of this magnitude should have been in the PTS for much longer than a standard DLC update, and ZOS should have spent longer testing it, simply because of the nature of this update.

Granted a longer PTS cycle might not have done much good, seeing as most people no longer really bother with it thanks to ZOS rarely acknowledging issues that are raised during said testing. Most people don't like feeling as though their time is being wasted and the feedback they're providing is falling on deaf ears.

BuddyAces · March 2020

Arunei wrote: »

I wonder how long people who are going "give them time it's only been x amount of time" will keep saying this. Months from now if things are still as busted or worse than they are now, will they still claim that we should just keep waiting? The game has been live for nearly 6 years now, how long should we have to keep waiting for a game that works?

And I'm sorry, but saying "oh but this was a patch that reworked all the code" and such isn't an excuse. An overhaul of this magnitude should have been in the PTS for much longer than a standard DLC update, and ZOS should have spent longer testing it, simply because of the nature of this update.

Granted a longer PTS cycle might not have done much good, seeing as most people no longer really bother with it thanks to ZOS rarely acknowledging issues that are raised during said testing. Most people don't like feeling as though their time is being wasted and the feedback they're providing is falling on deaf ears.

I'm waiting till ff7 remake releases in a few weeks then cancelling my sub. Again.

precambria · March 2020

But for hopes that tomorrow there will be a patch and we aren't all just going to pretend like our skills are not firing or that framerates are dropping off the map for no reason for countless players.

iCaliban · March 2020

precambria wrote: »

But for hopes that tomorrow there will be a patch and we aren't all just going to pretend like our skills are not firing or that framerates are dropping off the map for no reason for countless players.

No patch tomorrow. Already announced

gabijoe21 · March 2020

I used to always play PVP in Cyro, like ALWAYS. Now, I don't even bother going into a campaign because my PVP guild will no longer run groups until it's fixed and when I try to play solo the game either goes to load screen just for me to 'wake up' dead or my attacks don't work or there is a horrendous lag. I play on Xbox and I am NOT ready for the update tomorrow. Especially since it will probably only make it worse.

DMuehlhausen · March 2020

Mitrenga wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Poncho88 wrote: »

I wonder if pulling the plug on Cyrodiil is a viable option, at least until ZoS and others can figure out what needs to be done.

What a great idea! Im sure that will fix the massive ability delay, unresponsive break free, horrible targeting issues, ghost casts found in... Bgs, duels, even pve.

This isnt a cyrodil complaint.

Many would sue the company for false advertisement. However, ZOS can intentionally mess the PvP up, hypothetically speaking ofcourse.

LOL you're joking right? Good luck trying to sue a company on performance issues when your connecting to a server over the internet that could have 1 of a billion issues going on at any given time. Plus, trust me on this, their contracts you agree to every time you sign in are combed through by an army of lawyers and are air tight.

TheFM · March 2020

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Poncho88 wrote: »

I wonder if pulling the plug on Cyrodiil is a viable option, at least until ZoS and others can figure out what needs to be done.

What a great idea! Im sure that will fix the massive ability delay, unresponsive break free, horrible targeting issues, ghost casts found in... Bgs, duels, even pve.

This isnt a cyrodil complaint.

Many would sue the company for false advertisement. However, ZOS can intentionally mess the PvP up, hypothetically speaking ofcourse.

LOL you're joking right? Good luck trying to sue a company on performance issues when your connecting to a server over the internet that could have 1 of a billion issues going on at any given time. Plus, trust me on this, their contracts you agree to every time you sign in are combed through by an army of lawyers and are air tight.

Contract doesnt supersede EU law. Just an fyi.

Brandathorbel · March 2020

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Mitrenga wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Poncho88 wrote: »

I wonder if pulling the plug on Cyrodiil is a viable option, at least until ZoS and others can figure out what needs to be done.

What a great idea! Im sure that will fix the massive ability delay, unresponsive break free, horrible targeting issues, ghost casts found in... Bgs, duels, even pve.

This isnt a cyrodil complaint.

Many would sue the company for false advertisement. However, ZOS can intentionally mess the PvP up, hypothetically speaking ofcourse.

LOL you're joking right? Good luck trying to sue a company on performance issues when your connecting to a server over the internet that could have 1 of a billion issues going on at any given time. Plus, trust me on this, their contracts you agree to every time you sign in are combed through by an army of lawyers and are air tight.

Tos for the most part are not binding. They are there to fool people that think they are.

Bryath · March 2020

It's not game-breaking for me as I only solo or duo and nothing that challenging .. but there are problems. Much more invisible mounts and running on top of mounts. Sprint from the Wayrest shrine to the Undaunted camp, then wait 15 seconds to be able to talk to anyone, then another 5-10 seconds til they are actually visible. Getting stuck in a heavy attack, skills not firing, not cripplingly bad for me but definitely noticeable.

mav1234 · March 2020

The Good:
Frame rate increase, huge decrease in load time, generally smooth play in PvE when not having to block (...lol).
The Bad:
Regular crashes seemingly related to block (??), many skills are broken (such as gap closers going through stealth), block dropping for seemingly no reason at times (maybe bar swap related). In Cyro, I get stuck on a single bar sometimes, sometimes huge amounts of input lag and I have no idea why. DCs are less this incremental than last but still occur, and not sure why.

ZOS should try to find ways to incentivize us playing on PTS if they can't afford to thoroughly internally test this stuff.

MCBIZZLE300 · March 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31F5gT5f8q8
This video sums up how I feel about ESO right now.

bellatrixed · March 2020

What I don’t get is, I’m one of those people that mostly just decorates and does writs and even I have noticed more lag than ever before.

Even doing my writs now, there’s a huge delay when picking up each quest, in between crafting each item, and turning them in. There’s delays accepting attachments from mails and depositing in banks. And there’s delays placing furnishings in housing.

Been playing for four years and have NEVER had basic functions like picking up a quest, depositing an item, or dropping a candle in a house require a few seconds of lag which really adds up when you’re doing a lot. Wtf is going on?

Orchish · March 2020

The sad thing for me is that i have been playing PvP since 2014 and back then when we had more campaigns, more players per side and yet it performed SO MUCH better than it has done for the past couple years. It has gotten to the point i can no longer play during prime time as a STAMDK trying to use dizzy or crit rush is bad enough with 4-5 second skill delay, but with the current patch on PC not only do i have the delay but straight up having to hit abilities multiple times just for it to fire off which half the time it does not. Pathetic.

Sergykid · March 2020

even in dungeons mobs start moving back and forth in place without attacking, like stuck in movement.
spellqueue is awful, it forgets spells you queued to cast.
aoes don't land on first placement.
spells launch animations but don't fire.
gap closers move you to the target but the target is not hit.

Arunei · March 2020

bellatrixed wrote: »

What I don’t get is, I’m one of those people that mostly just decorates and does writs and even I have noticed more lag than ever before.

Even doing my writs now, there’s a huge delay when picking up each quest, in between crafting each item, and turning them in. There’s delays accepting attachments from mails and depositing in banks. And there’s delays placing furnishings in housing.

Been playing for four years and have NEVER had basic functions like picking up a quest, depositing an item, or dropping a candle in a house require a few seconds of lag which really adds up when you’re doing a lot. Wtf is going on?

Yup. I spend a majority of my time RPing or doing crafting stuff, and yet I get hit with ridiculous ping and lag. Loading times haven't been fixed on my end at all, if anything they've gotten worse, and if you're porting to and from a house to make furnishings or traveling around during RP or something, those loading screens can add up too.

I also notice that zoning into one of my houses that furnishings still take a while to load in, and in the world things still don't load in for minutes at a time (I do my writs in Summerset, and a lot of the time when I go to turn my writs in, the writ boxes haven't loaded in yet). I still see black silhouettes of other players that haven't loaded in yet, I still have issues where large patches of area are untextured and not fully rendered after being there for a while (sometimes the bank in Summerset will be untextured the entire time of me going to do and turn in writs). I know there are people not having problems, but for an update that was touted as fixing stuff like this, the fact that so many people ARE still having problems like this is really, really disheartening.