I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

remove snare from jab

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

My problem is the class in general as a stamblade I find good templars the most difficult class to handle but every class has a weakness I know for example a lot of templars that struggle most against mag sorcs. My argument is this look at surprise attack now it sucks compared to jabs they nerf surprise attack because everyone thought it was op but you are telling everyone that it’s ok for jabs to be an aoe have snare and have major savagery no it should be nerf just like surprise attack was that’s that.

Snare is being removed from Sacred Ground next patch (live for PC already), which will help players out against Templars. However, IMO, reducing the Snare on Jabs/Sweeps to 30% from 40% (was already reduced from 70% to 40%) is a much better option than removing completely. The reason I say this is because without any form of Snare, Jabs/Sweeps simply won't hit any target unless stationary or CC'd. If Savagery is removed from Jabs, then it needs to be replaced somewhere else in passives or Active skill, otherwise Stam Templar has no Major skill identity.

Most players posting Nerf threads against Templars are, comically...Nightblades...I played Stamblade with zero issues against Templars. Simply roll through to behind target and Cloak away, if that's your playstyle. Otherwise, learn to utilize shade more effectively. Some Stamblades use Draining or Magnum shot; you get either a knockback or a 60% Snare (20% better than Jabs) to effectively re-position for a new combo.

The game is, sadly, not as balanced as it could be. However, each class does balance each other. All people have to do is just learn to play the mechanics.

Karmen wrote: »

the problem of snare is because jab does a fckin huge damages, you have to heal yourself/ spam shield before even try to use major evasion to escape the hell.
So, you have two solutions : reduce the damages, or remove snare.

The damages are the way they are on Jabs because it is a channel that consists of multiple attempts that add up. So if all four Jabs hit for 12k (just to round evenly), you have a chance to only hit for 3K out of 12K, essentially missing 9K of damage while also opening yourself to full attack without the ability to defend or heal. Whereas a 10K (realistically 3K Surprise Attack) can either hit or it won't, but you're not locked into a channel and can animation cancel it to follow with a LA for additional damage.

Everyone looks at the numbers instead of the mechanics as a whole with this skill. It's sad really....

Xarcus wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Everyone looks at the numbers instead of the mechanics as a whole with this skill. It's sad really....

Just look at the death recap damages.

Personnally I stopped to play my stamplar atm because It's too easy to kill people & easy to survive (purge, heals, major protection, etc.). I think the class needs a nerf, really. I feel it's unfair actually.

The constant nerf after nerf to classes is what's making longtime players quit the game, like me. Go ahead and nerf it lol. Game will just continue to become more and more boring...

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

My problem is the class in general as a stamblade I find good templars the most difficult class to handle but every class has a weakness I know for example a lot of templars that struggle most against mag sorcs. My argument is this look at surprise attack now it sucks compared to jabs they nerf surprise attack because everyone thought it was op but you are telling everyone that it’s ok for jabs to be an aoe have snare and have major savagery no it should be nerf just like surprise attack was that’s that.

Snare is being removed from Sacred Ground next patch (live for PC already), which will help players out against Templars. However, IMO, reducing the Snare on Jabs/Sweeps to 30% from 40% (was already reduced from 70% to 40%) is a much better option than removing completely. The reason I say this is because without any form of Snare, Jabs/Sweeps simply won't hit any target unless stationary or CC'd. If Savagery is removed from Jabs, then it needs to be replaced somewhere else in passives or Active skill, otherwise Stam Templar has no Major skill identity.

Most players posting Nerf threads against Templars are, comically...Nightblades...I played Stamblade with zero issues against Templars. Simply roll through to behind target and Cloak away, if that's your playstyle. Otherwise, learn to utilize shade more effectively. Some Stamblades use Draining or Magnum shot; you get either a knockback or a 60% Snare (20% better than Jabs) to effectively re-position for a new combo.

The game is, sadly, not as balanced as it could be. However, each class does balance each other. All people have to do is just learn to play the mechanics.

I said good templars nothing ever simple against good players and I kill the majority. Nb lost major fracture please please don’t say we have mark because it sucks theres honestly no room for it I won’t be satisfied unless surprise attack buff or jabs is nerfed I have never made a nerf thread at all but if I see one about a skill that I knows op I will certainly agree I been this way since they butchered my class it’s only right everyone else gets there’s.

Funny is how people look at some base tooltips and make their math with it. Yes base tooltip of jabs is generally higher than other spammables, because of the skill mechanics. Many people already pointed out in this thread, why jabs need more damage, because normally you never land all four hits, exceptions are new players unwilling to learn how to move. A full assault of jabs plus burning light proc IS the exception and therefore the base tooltips similar to sub assault or blastbones are valid.

About lag, using jabs gets obnoxious with lags, since the enemies hitbox is already out of the aoe, even if they seem to be inside of it. Additionally in serious lag only the first of four hit of jabs register, basically making the skill far warse than any other spammable.

Now about the stupid try to attack Joy-Division saying he doesnt kniw basic math: whoever said it, must be pretty stupid. First of Joy most probably know much more about the game than you, so maybe instead of critisizing him, maybe listen to a veteran player. Secondly about your cool math skills. I already explained why jabs should have a much higher bade tooltip than any other spammable due to its mechanics, counters and mitigation options. Secondly doing math with base tooltips is pretty dumb. First off you only includes burning light meanwhile not including class passives of other classes, which actually increase damage of dizzy and stuff like sub assault (remember, that wardens get pretty cool damage buffs just by slotting skills). Secondary you will see, that in competitive PvP jabs actual damage is comparable to those of other spammables. Actually on a proper build dizzy hits as hard or even harder than jabs. Dizzying swings of 7-8k are nothing special, meanwhile jabs hit normally something between 5-7k with a full channel. Comparing jabs with leap is even dumber, even though jabs plus burning light proc comes close to leap base tooltip. You will never see an even comparable number ingame. As said before, jabs may hit like 5-7k or slightly more if you get onslaught off before. Everything above 7k IS an exception. But leaps damage is normally far above those numbers and can nit profit from 100% penetration from a previous onslaught. Leap normally hits for like half of health bars, some people get 15-20k leaps in PvP, seeing records of 25k im videos, meanwhile jabs hits for 5-7k....
So your base tooltip and cool math tricks do not apply at all to PvP.

Therefore I call this whole „nerf jabs, because its base tooltip is so high“ BS. I agree with most people in here saying its not OP, since its in 90% a case of l2p and not a serious balance issue.

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

It is much easier to conterplay any other spamable 100000000% easier is counter dizzy than jabs, its nit okay have on game such toxic ability which have 60% more dmg then full cast easily 100% counter dodge skill .. evasion is stupid argument since 50% of class cannot have evasion ... or you suggested to use medium armor on mag class but Even with evasion jabs is still stronger then any spamable jabs should be stronger then other spamable but 60% is simply stupidy to much... ... its like matriach will have 60% more heal then any other heals ...

Actually its easy to get a 60% bigger healtooltip on matriarch than on other burst heals. Still nobody in here complains about matriarch heal...

Joinovikova wrote: »

SavageChain wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

It is much easier to conterplay any other spamable 100000000% easier is counter dizzy than jabs, its nit okay have on game such toxic ability which have 60% more dmg then full cast easily 100% counter dodge skill .. evasion is stupid argument since 50% of class cannot have evasion ... or you suggested to use medium armor on mag class but Even with evasion jabs is still stronger then any spamable jabs should be stronger then other spamable but 60% is simply stupidy to much... ... its like matriach will have 60% more heal then any other heals ...

Actually its easy to get a 60% bigger healtooltip on matriarch than on other burst heals. Still nobody in here complains about matriarch heal...

Only in case when full stam templar compare healt to full stack magica sorc...

Wrong! Viable pet sorc builds can easely reach a 16k tooltip on matriarch. The average magplar has a 11-12k breath of life tooltip. Thats already 33%+ more healing. And thats mostly in the case of the sorc not using healing cps, meanwhile the templar does. If the sorc really wants to push his healing numbers, he could reach 20k+ heals, which ia more than your 60%. And thats compared sorc matriarch heal with the previous biggest burst heal in the game. Bow think about all the other class burst heals, which are lower than breath of life. The sorc can like this get 100% bigger heals than most classes.

Btw those are ingame numbers and not just base tooltips. Already said, that base tooltips are nir applicable to the game just like this. Same as jabs in game does not do as much damage as you claim. Damage numbers of jabs in game are on dizzy level and nowhere near dragon leap.

Joinovikova wrote: »

SavageChain wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

SavageChain wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

Jabs is not ok 60% dmg than any other spamable is simply not ok.. nerf it to be comparable to other spamable them Say something about L2P..

First of all, there are entirely way too many Nerf Jabs/Sweeps threads going around since Elsweyr dropped with an overwhelming amount of counter-feedback for anyone still complaining to not have had the chance to take advice from many other players (myself included). Second, there is more counter-play to Jabs/Sweeps than any other skill in the game. For some examples: Major Evasion, re-positioning behind and/or dodge-rolling, blocking, interrupting are a few. Jabs/Sweeps misses more than it hits within one channel. IF you are being tagged by all four Jabs/Sweeps from one channel, more than likely you are stationary and don't know how to maneuver around your target(s). Simply put, L2P is the last viable answer to Casuals who are unwilling to take the advice from better players...

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

I don't even play anymore and these exhausting Nerf Jabs threads still make me laugh!

L2P. Stop complaining. ZOS keeps catering to casuals and this is what the forum is made up of 70% of the time.

Jabs is fine and completely counter able. If you can't learn to beat it, don't play.

I have to ask if you don’t play anymore why does this even matter to you? Why you here? How would you even know how op jabs are since you don’t play anymore?

I stopped playing shortly after Elsweyr dropped because the game is getting stale and extremely homogenized. It doesn't matter to me, hence why my quote stated in the first line that these threads are hilarious to be still going on...I know how NOT OP Jabs are because I mained a Stamplar since Console launch and have seen all of the ups-and-downs with the Class. Now that it's finally in a good place again after years of being sub-par in comparison to other classses, everyone wants it nerfed because, simply, there are too many casual players that are used to playing P2W games instead of learning the mechanics of a game as complex as ESO's combat system and actually improving instead of expecting a W just because they feel entitled to it.

It is much easier to conterplay any other spamable 100000000% easier is counter dizzy than jabs, its nit okay have on game such toxic ability which have 60% more dmg then full cast easily 100% counter dodge skill .. evasion is stupid argument since 50% of class cannot have evasion ... or you suggested to use medium armor on mag class but Even with evasion jabs is still stronger then any spamable jabs should be stronger then other spamable but 60% is simply stupidy to much... ... its like matriach will have 60% more heal then any other heals ...

Actually its easy to get a 60% bigger healtooltip on matriarch than on other burst heals. Still nobody in here complains about matriarch heal...

Only in case when full stam templar compare healt to full stack magica sorc...

Wrong! Viable pet sorc builds can easely reach a 16k tooltip on matriarch. The average magplar has a 11-12k breath of life tooltip. Thats already 33%+ more healing. And thats mostly in the case of the sorc not using healing cps, meanwhile the templar does. If the sorc really wants to push his healing numbers, he could reach 20k+ heals, which ia more than your 60%. And thats compared sorc matriarch heal with the previous biggest burst heal in the game. Bow think about all the other class burst heals, which are lower than breath of life. The sorc can like this get 100% bigger heals than most classes.

Btw those are ingame numbers and not just base tooltips. Already said, that base tooltips are nir applicable to the game just like this. Same as jabs in game does not do as much damage as you claim. Damage numbers of jabs in game are on dizzy level and nowhere near dragon leap.

Jabs calculation is not based on base tolltip, find the topic about Stamina spamable its comparable of all spamable... ofcourse u can also build necro alfiq two different monster set to support magica and slot all magica increase ability and then u can have 60% bigger toooltip to standard templar.. but its non sense, yes matriarch is stronger heal but reasonable not 60% if jabs have only 30% more dmg then others spamable then it will be okay.. but currently is 60% ok for jabs best case dizzy on magsorc, avarage number is Even more then 60% i understand u protect your one button godplar, but this is simply not balanced and is toxic for the future of the game and should be adressed and fixed... btw honor od the dead is better for Pvp due to refund...

You still ride the same train of thoughts, that jabs actually hit 60% harder than dizzy. It just does not in PvP. We tried explaining you why jabs needs a higher base tooltip and we tried explaining to you, that it does not translate 1 to 1 to its actual damage in PvP. I can tell you again, that average damage numbers of jabs are pretty much the same as dizzying swing and nowhere near leap. But you just ignore it.

Many people told you to l2p, play the class yourself and learn how jabs play out in the end. You also will learn quite a bit how to counter the skill by doing so. Untill you did that, your crying wont be more than some mimimi noise to the ears of the veteran and actual good players.

About the matriarch heal: the heals is like 40% stronger than breath of life (or honor the dead) by simply having a viable petsorc build. No investing into cps, no just max out magicka, a simple pet sorc build. And thats compared to a magplar build, who has some cps set for increased healing. But again, you just do not listen...