Why must every class be the same and have the same toolkit? That's the lazy approach to balance.

Right now with mag dk power it will surely require hard nerfs for other abilities and i believe it's not what people are waiting.

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Right now with mag dk power it will surely require hard nerfs for other abilities and i believe it's not what people are waiting.

MagDk power? Did i miss anything?

Probably so if we're talking pve, top scores are infested with asylym mag dks with mag necros on colossus duty. And if new elf bane stays it looks like no brainer for patch to come.

We used to have one... Look at the original Molten Armaments http://deltiasgaming.com/2014/06/30/eso-dragonknight-skill-guide-2/

I miss those days...

If you’re talking pvp realistically only Templars and Sorcs get one. NBs do too but the conditions are hard to fulfil in pvp.

Bloodthirsty

i don't think magDK lost his identity. Still a unique close combat heavy dot fighter.

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It’s close to impossible To balance 6 highly differentiated classes for solo. Without giving all classes the same toolkit (no differentiation) we won’t get the balance many ask for. What’s the point of undifferentiated classes?

Large group strongly keys on ultimate value

Small group is where all of our class unique toolkits can be leveraged. MagDK strength is pressure. Pairing with strong burst/execute (with corresponding weak pressure) allies is their strong suit. I would want stronger dot pressure not execute on my magDK and magDK allies

Simply the wrong thing to ask for.

It's like Sorcs asking for a spammable or Templars/Necros asking for a Major Brutality/Sorcery buff. Unless it's a clear identity crisis for the class like Stam DK, Stam Sorc or Ice Wardens, there isn't a good enough reason to add something that will destroy your class balance. There are other things in your class kit, like it or not, that decide how ZOS views the classes identity and they don't seem to line with your view of the class.

You know what will happen? You will end up with nerfs to balance out a new execute.

I think a better question is, why is there no universal execute available for magicka? I'd be very happy to see a minor execute added to Destructive Reach to balance out the fact that the morph does nothing, other then making the ability 28m... Except every ranged dot behaves this way. This morph is basically Poison Injection, minus the execute damage so I'd like to see them do something similar with that morph.

The reason Stam Sorc, Stamplar, Stam DK, Stam Warden and Stam Necro don't bother complaining about an execute ability is because there is other options available. Only Stam NB has a dedicated spammable execute at this point with Mag Sorc/ Mag Templar having their own too. Necro is a middle ground because extra crit chance is pretty nice below 25%, but isn't actually an execute. Reminds me of how badly I miss Stam Sorcs Implossion for random execute damage back in the day. Easy random kills from hurricane... SIGH.

DK is a dot class (you know... fire.. damage over time), you want buffs, look in that direction. The dot nerfs were too much and it looks like most of the player base agrees. Dots are weaker than what they were before Elsweyr, when the balance of dot damage was pretty good.

While I'm happy they've created a standard, allowing abilties like Soul Trap, Entropy, Scalding Rune and Reach to all be viable dots with additional auxillary effects. They failed to understand the reason these abilities were too OP in Scalebreaker, was not only the damage of 2.5x being too high, but the fact that melee/ranged abilities had the same scaling while at the same time, replacing class based abilities because they were in some ways weaker and more expensive..

Imo this is how the dot standard should look vs spammables..

Single Target DOTs

• Ranged 28m: 1.8x damage, 1.0x cost
• Melee 5m: 2.0x damage, 1.0 cost

AOE DOTs

• Ranged 28m/self buff/applied at player's feet: 1.8x damage, 1.33x cost

DK

• DOTs should go above and beyond this standard. (They already do kinda, but it's only 3 abilities.)
• Searing Heat passive: Keep the +33% damage and +4s to Ardent Flame dots (this goes above the standard, it didn't use to and served as a must to make the base Ardent dot abilities function at standard capacity).
• World in Ruin: Change the +6% damage for ONLY aoe flame abilities(dot/direct) to +10% fire/poison damage. Removing the -25% poison ability cost is a fair trade as long as they make Stone Fist cheap and good to use, the ability is currently balanced with additional cost at 3443 stamina because they get 990 stamina return on use. In 7 Medium with -14% cost, this is 1971 stamina, which is only 3 stamina less expensive then 1974 stamina cost for other stamina abilities like Flurry or Wrecking Blow. While this is "equal" in 7 medium, it is not when wearing anything LESS than 7 Medium, making it more and more expensive to use for Heavy Armor or 5 medium setups. The passive for 990 stamina return should go above and beyond the standard like the Searing Heat passive was made to do. Same thought process applies for the update to Elder Dragon passive, increasing melee range (5m) abilities by 2m for a total of 7m. Class passives should never be used to complete abilities, they should be used to extend them further.