[ZeniMax] Players hindering other players from content.
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"Your definition of roleplaying doesn't fit mine, therefore you're wrong."starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
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"Your definition of roleplaying doesn't fit mine, therefore you're wrong."starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
kek
Urban Dictionary to the rescue, yet again:
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"Your definition of roleplaying doesn't fit mine, therefore you're wrong."starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
kek
Just remember to keep screaming, "it's what my character would do" at the top of your lungs. I'm sure the GMs will be very impressed with that argument when the get around to you.
EDIT: heeey... wait a second, you're not that guy! What are you doing here?Edited by starkerealm on April 17, 2014 10:50AM4 -
spoken like a true griefing ***Even though it may seem like griefing, it's not. There's a valid reason for those players to kill vampires and werewolves, there's a valid reason for anyone to kill anything in the game. It's similar to other games that you're able to kill the opposing faction's NPCs.
Sorry, I like Fighter's Guild xp.
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LarZen✭✭✭ZOS_TristanK wrote: »Hi, all. If you feel like a player is violating our Terms of Service, we invite you to file a report in-game. Our team will certainly look into the report, and determine if it is indeed a violation.
Hi ZOS_TristanK!
But is hindering other players from engaging a NPC a violation of Terms of Service?
EDIT: This is a question many players are confused about. And when we know the answer the people affected can take the appropriate action.
Edited by LarZen on April 17, 2014 11:29AM0 -
OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.
I like how everyone in this game brings up Twilight in reference to werewolves and vampires. Guess what? You're not clever or even remotely funny. Is that the only medium you're aware of that happens to be about supernatural creatures? Do you not read literature at all? Contrary to trolling idiots and their beliefs, vampires and werewolves have been around well before the existence of Twilight, unless you're 12 years old with no understanding of the world whatsoever outside of raging nerds on the interwebs.Edited by lyndsayporterb16_ESO on April 17, 2014 11:26AM7 -
Kyosji✭✭✭I've seen these posts dozens of times, and what I got from official green posts is this:
- Selling bites for real money is against the EULA, and is reportable.
- Selling bites for game money is LEGAL to do, although not encouraged.
- Killing these vampire/werewolf spawns is not against any rules if it's just for the sake of grinding.
- Killing these vampire/werewolf spawns for the pure sake of not letting someone else get the bite, so they are forced to buy one IS against the EULA and reportable.
So if you keep trying to kill mobs, and these players keep chasing your mob down and killing them, and you go "WTF guys?", and they tell you if you want to be one of them, you have to pay, you screenshot that and you report it. They are breaking the rules.3 -
Daggers✭✭✭lyndsayporterb16_ESO wrote: »OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.
I like how everyone in this game brings up Twilight in reference to werewolves and vampires. Guess what? You're not clever or even remotely funny. Is that the only medium you're aware of that happens to be about supernatural creatures? Do you not read literature at all? Contrary to trolling idiots and their beliefs, vampires and werewolves have been around well before the existence of Twilight, unless you're 12 years old with no understanding of the world whatsoever outside of raging nerds on the interwebs.
There's an xkcd for this branch of discussion...
https://xkcd.com/591/
Edited by Daggers on April 17, 2014 11:35AMThe best things in life make you sweaty.
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It's not a violation of the terms, it stupid and antisocial, but it is allowable behaviour. Now if they were causing you to get into unwanted fights, or otherwise directly harrassing you, then it would be a violation.If a player is in some way hindering other players from progressing or accessing content that should be for everyone in the game. Is that a violation of your terms?
One of these situations are players camping and killing NPC's so that others cant become a Vampire.
And if this is a violation. Are you going to do anything about it?
One of the unfortunate truths of MMOs is that some of the players are jerks, and they do unpleasant stupid things, but if the terms of the game covered all behaviour then people would complain that they have no freedom. Most MMOs try for middle ground, but there will always be idiots around.
PS. don't forget some of those players will be trying to become a vampire too, possible most of them.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
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✭✭✭✭I have no interest in becoming either a vampire or a werewolf, but I feel bad for those who do with this sort of thing going on.
Are there no guilds that will bite/turn you for free? I am not planning to go either vampire or werewolf, but if I did I would infect folks who wanted it for absolutely zero cost other than remember me if I want help for a group dungeon or something
Edited by Epona222 on April 17, 2014 11:44AMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Kyosji✭✭✭lyndsayporterb16_ESO wrote: »OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.
I like how everyone in this game brings up Twilight in reference to werewolves and vampires. Guess what? You're not clever or even remotely funny. Is that the only medium you're aware of that happens to be about supernatural creatures? Do you not read literature at all? Contrary to trolling idiots and their beliefs, vampires and werewolves have been around well before the existence of Twilight, unless you're 12 years old with no understanding of the world whatsoever outside of raging nerds on the interwebs.
There's an xkcd for this branch of discussion...
https://xkcd.com/591/
Edited by Kyosji on April 17, 2014 11:50AM0 -
Jake71887✭✭✭lyndsayporterb16_ESO wrote: »OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.
I like how everyone in this game brings up Twilight in reference to werewolves and vampires. Guess what? You're not clever or even remotely funny. Is that the only medium you're aware of that happens to be about supernatural creatures? Do you not read literature at all? Contrary to trolling idiots and their beliefs, vampires and werewolves have been around well before the existence of Twilight, unless you're 12 years old with no understanding of the world whatsoever outside of raging nerds on the interwebs.
There's an xkcd for this branch of discussion...
https://xkcd.com/591/
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Saerydoth✭✭✭✭There's nothing wrong with reporting if you feel someone is violating the terms of service. However, the thing about this is you will never know what happens to them because all they will say is "we will look into it and take any necessary action".0 -
Daggers✭✭✭There's nothing wrong with reporting if you feel someone is violating the terms of service. However, the thing about this is you will never know what happens to them because all they will say is "we will look into it and take any necessary action".
There's also the unfortunate knee-jerk reaction reporting that inevitably occurs.
Hypothetical instance:I killed a boss who dropped a nice piece of armour, piece of a set of 3. "Kill him again for the other three pieces" said my guildies - so I did, although it took twelve kills before I got the full set.
Just as I was typing "Hurrah!" in /g1, I got disconnected! And when I tried to log back in, I got some message about being banned...!?
So the question is: Is this person "bad" because they wanted a set of gear? Does it matter that the gear actually drops not just off the boss, but any NPC in the dungeon - a fact they were unaware of because someone told them otherwise?
If you look through some of the complaints from people being banned for things they feel were disproportionate or downright wrong, you'll see a pattern: the ban-stick is as easily abused as any other part of the game system.
So, sure report people who are doing things bad, but make sure you know you're reporting for the right reasons. If our hypothetical above happened to be killing a boss over and over, surrounded by genuine bots, who's to say he's not a bot, or - worse! - the leader of the bots! He might be... could be he's lying in the quote above.
Legal matters ... matters of interpreting facts to obtain a "truth" ... are complex, manifold, and in turn easily abused. Which is lawyers get paid a lot of money, and also why nobody likes them (because they're experts in describing facts from perspectives which bend the truth).
Why am I saying this? I don't know - I think it's just to say, if you see me killing a boss more than once, please don't report me
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p.hurst1b16_ESO✭✭✭I used to play an online game. It was hated by many but loved more deeply than any other game by it's players.
In the early days it was possible to block the way.
Then the developers had an idea, a touch of genius.
They made it so that if you run into a player ....
and carry on running...
after about 10 seconds the collision detection would turn off and you carried on THROUGH the player.
Optional for RP'ers
Essential for everyone else.
So, why can't we have THAT ?
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soalrism✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
im no ww, and no vampire. your argument is failing.
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South_of_Heaven✭✭✭Regarding people camping and controlling werewolf & vampire hotspots, we're just seeing social dynamics at work, not necessarily a bug or even an exploit in the "bannable" sense.
In games, just as in the real world, many people will strive to turn a loophole into an opportunity.
The problem is, while people behave dynamically, the game nor the game world are dynamic. For that you need sandbox contexts - this doesn't mean sandbox world in the UO sense, simple dynamics you see in the single player TES games would do ... wandering NPCs and rng spawn locations would help a lot.
When you design a game for thousands, hopefully millions, of players, you have to be out of your mind to make everything spawn at a specific /loc every time. Not only does a static world leave the door wide open to exploitation, but it vastly diminishes the replay value of the game - when you know where everything is already, playing through the game with new characters is reduced to a join-the-dots exercise, which - for an MMO - is an invitation to boredom on a massive scale.
That's all they have to fix. Kill the static nature of spawns and NPCs, give them a little AI of their own beyond see-enemy-fight, and you'll not only make things harder for campers, you'll make the world a brighter, more interesting place.
Here's a constructive post for you. But none of you bickering trolls seemed to have noticed it! :P
Edited by South_of_Heaven on April 17, 2014 12:41PM1 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭lyndsayporterb16_ESO wrote: »OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.
I like how everyone in this game brings up Twilight in reference to werewolves and vampires. Guess what? You're not clever or even remotely funny. Is that the only medium you're aware of that happens to be about supernatural creatures? Do you not read literature at all? Contrary to trolling idiots and their beliefs, vampires and werewolves have been around well before the existence of Twilight, unless you're 12 years old with no understanding of the world whatsoever outside of raging nerds on the interwebs.
Aww, how precious. Do you have a cool poet hat and a fake cigarette too?
Personally, I absolutely love the WoD universe, with the older Masquerade being my favourite. However, this thread is pure nonsense. You just want something for no effort WHATSOEVER because, well reasons.
It took me 7h of camping in the Rift and organizing a raid composed of random people who just happened to be in the zone to camp the spawns evenly. Then, when they spawned, we all went there and let everyone get infected by having the infected one just run away till the mob reset. Bam, around 40 people got vampirism from a single spawn.
Yeah, people killing them can be annoying but so is people taking resource nodes, killing quest mobs etc. You just DEAL with it.
EDIT: In fact, should I write a ticket every time someone beats me to a chest with the intent to sell the item? What if don't get loot rights to a pub dungeon boss due to it dying too fast? Am I entitled to the loot? What if I go to a Dolmen, and it literally just ends, can I report everyone involved in it from hindering me because I didn't get the completion, and have to wait? What about resource nodes? If the person isn't a woodwoker, and takes a wood node, can I report them for hindering my woodworking progression?
This complaint is dumb. Go play a singleplayer game.
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Daggers✭✭✭South_of_Heaven wrote: »Regarding people camping and controlling werewolf & vampire hotspots, we're just seeing social dynamics at work, not necessarily a bug or even an exploit in the "bannable" sense.
In games, just as in the real world, many people will strive to turn a loophole into an opportunity.
The problem is, while people behave dynamically, the game nor the game world are dynamic. For that you need sandbox contexts - this doesn't mean sandbox world in the UO sense, simple dynamics you see in the single player TES games would do ... wandering NPCs and rng spawn locations would help a lot.
When you design a game for thousands, hopefully millions, of players, you have to be out of your mind to make everything spawn at a specific /loc every time. Not only does a static world leave the door wide open to exploitation, but it vastly diminishes the replay value of the game - when you know where everything is already, playing through the game with new characters is reduced to a join-the-dots exercise, which - for an MMO - is an invitation to boredom on a massive scale.
That's all they have to fix. Kill the static nature of spawns and NPCs, give them a little AI of their own beyond see-enemy-fight, and you'll not only make things harder for campers, you'll make the world a brighter, more interesting place.
Here's a constructive post for you. But none of you bickering trolls seemed to have noticed it! :P
I should have written it in red text. People appear to have far less trouble seeing red The best things in life make you sweaty.
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You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
im no ww, and no vampire. your argument is failing.
Uh-huh. Right. You just sit in one spot mashing the 1 key repeatedly for hours because you're role-playing a data entry clerk. Not, because you're actually involved in anything shady, directly. It all makes sense now.1 -
Kyosji✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
im no ww, and no vampire. your argument is failing.
Uh-huh. Right. You just sit in one spot mashing the 1 key repeatedly for hours because you're role-playing a data entry clerk. Not, because you're actually involved in anything shady, directly. It all makes sense now.
I'll sit there for hours mashing 1 key repeatedly because I'm role playing a guy that wants set items and blues for myself and my guild. Great way to get blue crafting mats as well. If you don't like that, and think it's shady, that's your own problem. Zeni already said it was perfectly fine to do.
If you want to report that, fine, go ahead. Just be warned, too many false reports can lend your account in suspension.
*Editing to appoligize, I responded to the wrong post. I thought this one was about boss camping in dungeons.
Role playing a vampire hating a wolf and vice verse is understandable, but again, as Zeni stated, if you are doing it just for the fact you want to troll, that's another. Also, killing the mobs while shouting out that you are charging people for bites is a good way to get yourself suspended.
As for my original post, I stand by it, but it is for a different scenario. My bad.Edited by Kyosji on April 17, 2014 1:45PM0 -
Leeta✭✭✭They should make it so that once youre bitten you cant see the mob anymore or that you need a certain quest to be able to see the mob so once youve done it you cant do it again.3 -
otomodachi✭✭✭fiachsidhe wrote: »I can't think of a more loser-y thing to do. The guilds or individuals who do this should be ashamed. Its disgraceful. The sheer levels of pathetic failure you need to sink to to even consider wasting your own time being a *** this way is mind boggling.
These players should be banned. No warning either. They know exactly what they are doing, and punishment should be swift and severe. They are extorting their fellow players. They bring communities down. They ruin games.
Report them. Report every single one of them, for griefing, and extortion.
All that talk fanboys made about how subscriptions lead to better communities are being proven wrong with these bottom feeders.
Zenimax can solve this easily and quickly. Find the guilds, and ban them. If Zenimax gives one iota of a damn about the people playing their game, they will act quickly.
I mostly agree with you, but wow much rhetoric.
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
You're a bite-seller, aren't you? Otherwise there's no reason for you to be defending this griefing.Hyperventilate wrote: »I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.
i give you another reason: roleplaying. i will kill every DAMN ww and vampire I can find!
Okay, fine, whatever, but you can't roleplay spawn camping. As in you can't pretend the character you're playing is aware that the enemies will pop back into existence at this spot in another 30 seconds. That's not roleplaying, that's metagaming, and it's a hallmark of failing to roleplay.
And, what we're talking about is spawn camping. Anyone who wants to pretend they're roleplaying isn't. It's just the excuse they use so they can keep the market on werewolf and vampires cornered so they can keep raking in the gold.
im no ww, and no vampire. your argument is failing.
Uh-huh. Right. You just sit in one spot mashing the 1 key repeatedly for hours because you're role-playing a data entry clerk. Not, because you're actually involved in anything shady, directly. It all makes sense now.
I'll sit there for hours mashing 1 key repeatedly because I'm role playing a guy that wants set items and blues for myself and my guild. Great way to get blue crafting mats as well. If you don't like that, and think it's shady, that's your own problem. Zeni already said it was perfectly fine to do.
If you want to report that, fine, go ahead. Just be warned, too many false reports can lend your account in suspension.
*Editing to appoligize, I responded to the wrong post. I thought this one was about boss camping in dungeons.
Role playing a vampire hating a wolf and vice verse is understandable, but again, as Zeni stated, if you are doing it just for the fact you want to troll, that's another. Also, killing the mobs while shouting out that you are charging people for bites is a good way to get yourself suspended.
As for my original post, I stand by it, but it is for a different scenario. My bad.
No worries, that was a hilarious response, in context.
I can get playing an anti-werewolf, anti-vampire character, or one who opposes both. I really can. I've got a Templar I'm probably going to go that route with right now. But, It's the people who sit there farming the reliable infection mobs that I find impossible to reconcile with RPing. They're not, there are plenty of alternative sources for both Vampire and Werewolf kills including delves, that can be safely farmed, without locking players out of the infection trees.
If you say your character wants to prevent other people from getting infected, you need a means to achieve that, and spawn camping... of any kind, just doesn't make sense from an RP stance... at least not in TESO. Especially not when your character isn't really preventing players from getting infected because there are actual Werewolf and Vampire players already out there.
If you want to do something and you're not actually interfering with other players, I've never had a problem with that. Hell, I'm actually prone to jumping back on a respawning boss to help another player when I can. The bot swarms *** me off, and I get where that's driven some people over the edge, but, that's not you.
EDIT: Because I don't think I actually said this... I don't have a problem with farmers... well, human ones anyway. I don't really have a problem with role-players. The only issue is when you've got someone trying to use RP to justify disruptive behavior. Trying to mix the two is a little weird, and really hard to justify as RP if you're sitting on one spawn.Edited by starkerealm on April 17, 2014 2:27PM1 -
Endolith✭✭✭I suspect ZOS will be able to determine the instances where the intent is to disrupt other players, and I think they'll take action against those people.0 -
LadyChaos✭✭✭✭The guys saying their opinion it's not a TOS break... Opinion doesn't matter it's specific, legal terminology, and I don't think you've actually read it. Legal as in it is the only things ZOS are required to honor with us are outlined in the TOS. Any MMOer should get to be good friends with their games TOS.
RP validation, is clever and will likely keep many from receiving an outright ban, until they screw up and get caught out of character. Even RPers must abide by TOS, so as clever and cute as it is, TOS always trumps RP.
As for the belief NO ONE will be punished... it comes down to how many in game complaints they get, and how much they feel said players are crapping on their intellectual property or hurting their business model, whichever is more important to them. *** come and go, long standing subbers are who MMOs want to keep. This is part of why subs>F2P, we have more power to request policing this kind of behavior.
They might rewrite the script so that they don't have to punish these guys true, but it's a risk, just to grief in PvE. Honestly PvE griefers are about the most useless class of payer as they contribute nothing to the community but their own enjoyment, at the cost of whoever else is in their path. It just depends on ZOS how they handle it, but blanket 3 day bans have gone out in many other games as a message across the board mostly in F2P games so early in launch, but eh... we'll see.
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✭✭✭✭✭RP validation, is clever and will likely keep many from receiving an outright ban, until they screw up and get caught out of character. Even RPers must abide by TOS, so as clever and cute as it is, TOS always trumps RP.
RP validation is "clever"... it doesn't actually work. At least, not when it comes to staff members in most MMOs.
A lot of would be trolls can get away with it in a tabletop format with an inexperienced GM. This is the old, "but, it's what my character would do" justification.
You have players here who have decided to take an action, and then worked backwards, asking themselves "how can I justify this?" Where as actual role playing works the other way round; taking a situation and asking "what would my character do?"
The issue is, it's a little tricky to know which one is in effect sometimes. Players will undertake an action to their benefit, and it could be because of the character's goals or the player's.
When we get into stations like this, where you have players that are trolling or interfering with other players, saying, "but, I'm role playing a <kitten huffer>," isn't valid. You can role play one just fine, without actually being a <kitten huffer>.
EDIT: In the TMI range, my foot hurts like a <kitten huffer> right now, so if I'm being too harsh, I apologize... I'm waiting until I can get a professional to take a look at it.Edited by starkerealm on April 17, 2014 3:28PM1 -
mike101642rwb17_ESOSoul ShrivenSo many 10yr olds crying "Mum he killed my werewolf spawn"
All Zenimax need to do is ENABLE WORLD PVP!
Positive results for both parties:
A. Players selling bites can have a break from killing vamps/ww and hunt real players instead!
B. Players crying on the forums about vamps/ww being killed can finally do something about it and go get revenge! 3 -
LadyChaos✭✭✭✭mike101642rwb17_ESO wrote: »So many 10yr olds crying "Mum he killed my werewolf spawn"
All Zenimax need to do is ENABLE WORLD PVP!
The "anyone who insist on reasonably fair play etiquette (let alone TOS terms), in a PvE zone, is a 'crying 10 year old' and should PvP, like a 'real' player", defense.
We quote TOS violations, ZOS says they will look into it, and we get this gem of a stance on expectation of TOS adherence from the rigid right wing Fighters guild extremist. Not really selling the RP cause here.
Curiosity how many of those hard core vampire/WW hating fighters guild members who feel the need to exterminate the lands of the vile deadric creatures, are themselves WW or Vamp?? Kinda blows RP out the window there too.VR2 Ataxia - [NA] Veteran Dominion Sorcerer [Auriel's Bow]
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I have read this and the other discussion about the rp thing when it comes to slaughtering vampires. As a White Wolf vampire player back in the day, I seriously would hate to play with these proclaimed rpers on this game.
For one reason is there is no backlash from fighting vampires, those that camp and repeatedly kill the same spawning mobs without rping the injuries or the day and night cycles, just continuous killing of that mob is not real rp.
Vampire Hunter fights vampire..there is repercussion from said fight. Rper would get hurt in some cases needing a home to recuperate from said battle. Vampires are stronger at night as in most lores, myths, folktales, and etc. The human hunters even in packs would suffer causalities and injuries, where as hurt players (rpers) would still need time away from the actual hunting. Those that died would have to remake a character (as in rp).
This is just a little bit about actual rping in any serious attempt of rping and not just trying to corner the market on vampire/werewolf bites.2