Plain and simple it comes down to this ....

People are only complaining cause they feel like they are missing content. But the truth is you are not. Their are other ways to become a Vampire or WW. You can get a player to bite you.

That being said if you PAY for a bite you are just silly. Their are a number of guilds including mine who give bites away to our guild members for free. The best solution is to join one of these guilds and get yourself a bite.

Now you are not missing content, you are not stopping other players from playing how they like, and you have everything you want as well.

Our guild is planning on giving bite for free to everyone once we all get turned. We are doing what we can to combat the scammers, and people selling bites. If we all work together and bite everyone for free, we can bottom out the market on the sellers and they will stop. If their is no demand, the prices will bottom out and not be worth it to them.

DON'T BUY BITES!

if you are interested in a guild on the NA servers that gives bites to its members for free hit me up in game @Kuthel. We currently have over 160 members, and approximately 30 vampires who can currently give away bites. Current wait time for a bite is about a week for our newest members.

Basics
- Its a part of the game design that you can be bitten in order to become a vampire/werewolf.
- It was not intended for players to exploit a game mechanic such as this in order to gain an unfair advantage such as demanding gold/real money in order to let people be bitten
- Now the exploitation is escalating into actual real money
- ZeniMax has to decide if they want to allow this exploitation and turn it into a feature or start treating the exploiters the same as goldsellers/botters

Please tell me if I am understanding correctly or if i'm missing something.

And yes, eventually I want one char to be a werewolf, and another to be a vampire, but right now its obvously not worth the hassle.

They probably will end up removeing the content/skill line in order to take care of the problem anyway.

LarZen wrote: »

One of these situations are players camping and killing NPC's so that others cant become a Vampire.

And if this is a violation. Are you going to do anything about it?

If you'd bothered to SEARCH the forums you'd have discovered all about this and what Zenimax aren't doing about it.

To the apologetics of those ******bags who block access to NPCs. How about you are asked to pay 10.000gold to be able to leave the starter island because otherwise the npc captain is being constantly bugged/killed/blocked on purpose by a guild under the pretense of RP but in fact simply for blackmail...would that be ok in you mind?

What about people who park giant mounts on NPCs to block their dialogues (ala wow)...is that also ok in your mind?

There is no excuse for acting like a ******bag

Not interested in the Vamp thing myself, but it does seem that the players were in fact griefing the OP.

OP: Just take a screen shot and report each player involved. ZOS will probably at least warn these players to refrain from such activity, if not temp ban them if there are a lot of complaints about their particular in-game actions.

Once again tonight, MULTIPLE WW spawns and No Bloodfiends AT ALL..... What the deal Zeni? Soft spot for WW's?

I would be utterly surprised to see any company finally stand up to griefers, cheaters, and botters. The reason for this ...is simply because it would actually be a first in my MMOing that actually thought of the players that weren't using excuses to cheat other players out of content and not purely the company thinking of their pockets.

It most asurely would not kill the company, it might need a little band aide, but once players saw a company that actually cared about a players right to enjoy all content and started punishing those that try to find excuses to grief other players on certain content...it would almost be a miracle and more customers would eventually come.

Hyperventilate wrote: »

I understand the frustration of "I want it NOW and I want it for FREE because...content!" but by someone killing a naturally hostile non-vital enemy... not griefing.

Let me guess, you're one of them.

Stationing players near the spawn points of rare spawns that offer nothing when you kill them, just to hinder other players is the very definition of griefing. These people then charge exorbitant prices to get the bites. It's extortion, and griefing.

Just today, my buddy got his werewolf bite. I bunch of people were gathering to help each other get it. Suddenly someone ran up up, killed the spawn and ran away. They knew damn well what they were doing, what everyone else was doing and purposefully ruined it. That is griefing.

Regarding people camping and controlling werewolf & vampire hotspots, we're just seeing social dynamics at work, not necessarily a bug or even an exploit in the "bannable" sense.

In games, just as in the real world, many people will strive to turn a loophole into an opportunity.

The problem is, while people behave dynamically, the game nor the game world are dynamic. For that you need sandbox contexts - this doesn't mean sandbox world in the UO sense, simple dynamics you see in the single player TES games would do ... wandering NPCs and rng spawn locations would help a lot.

When you design a game for thousands, hopefully millions, of players, you have to be out of your mind to make everything spawn at a specific /loc every time. Not only does a static world leave the door wide open to exploitation, but it vastly diminishes the replay value of the game - when you know where everything is already, playing through the game with new characters is reduced to a join-the-dots exercise, which - for an MMO - is an invitation to boredom on a massive scale.

That's all they have to fix. Kill the static nature of spawns and NPCs, give them a little AI of their own beyond see-enemy-fight, and you'll not only make things harder for campers, you'll make the world a brighter, more interesting place.

http://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms.htm

8. Rules of Conduct
"Take any action, organize, transmit any content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law* or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;"

"Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages"

"Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of game play or dialogue within a Service,"

"Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity including hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
______________

...there it is in black and tan word for word out of the TOS.

As like @ZOS_TristanK said...

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, all. If you feel like a player is violating our Terms of Service, we invite you to file a report in-game. Our team will certainly look into the report, and determine if it is indeed a violation.

When reporting, make sure you mouse over and tag the chat window to make sure that if someone is trying to EXPLOIT currency from you in ANYWAY shape or form it gets captured in the screenshot.

YES, ALWAYS SEND A SCREENSHOT!


*blackmail/extortion

Typical ES fan:
"In Elder Scrolls games, you should be able to play any way you want. UNLESS IT AFFECTS ME NEGATIVELY."

Gold Farmer, Bot and Bite Farmer .... there is no difference ban them all, report them all.

They all have one similarity they are Parasites.

Gwarok wrote: »

http://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms.htm

8. Rules of Conduct
"Take any action, organize, transmit any content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law* or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;"

"Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages"

"Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within a Service,"

"Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity inncluding hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;
______________

...there it is in black and tan word for word out of the TOS.

As like @ZOS_TristanK said...

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, all. If you feel like a player is violating our Terms of Service, we invite you to file a report in-game. Our team will certainly look into the report, and determine if it is indeed a violation.

When reporting, make sure you mouse over and tag the chat window to make sure that if someone is trying to EXPLOIT currency from you in ANYWAY shape or form it gets captured in the screenshot.

YES, ALWAYS SEND A SCREENSHOT!


*blackmail/extortion

in a reasonable person's view, objectionable

Well that sort of squashes all of that, then!

j/k

Hexi wrote: »

OMG there's other people in my MMO! FIX NOW OR I QUIT!

Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous now. Toddle off to Skyrim to play your twilight fantasies.

Oh and heres the troll who has woken up to.

Zythos wrote: »

Even though it may seem like griefing, it's not. There's a valid reason for those players to kill vampires and werewolves, there's a valid reason for anyone to kill anything in the game. It's similar to other games that you're able to kill the opposing faction's NPCs.

Sorry, I like Fighter's Guild xp.

HaHaHa best excuse for trolling. Only topped by RP reasons