How do we fix the tank meta

Iskiab · January 2020

Vyvrhel wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

So the tank meta has been plaguing eso pvp for a long time. And now they have ridiculous heals aswell.

Can PLEASE someone tell me what is the ridiculous facetanking build what needs the nerf? I need it. I am a pvp noob owned by anyone and his grandma and I just want to explore the Imperial City for the story. I just want to solo roam the IC and facetank any ambusher who camps base exists and like until he gots bored and runs away. Thanks.
Oh permasneak does not really help because sometimes I need to kill mobs and so.

I’ve often wondered how the super tanks do it too. I’m not really sure, it’s harder to pull off then it looks.

I think the main thing is to use the best defense sets, and then the sustain sets that work on being hit.

I’d try: pariah + Bloodspawn + desert rose. 5h-1m1-1L. S&B and x weapon.

Are you mag or stam? What class?

Xvorg · January 2020

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Make bleeds great again.

In fact, bleeds should do much more dmg on HA builds just based on the principle that bandages are done from clothes

Nord_Raseri · January 2020

If your group can't kill someone face-tanking, it's L2P. If you're trying to 1v1 a face-tank, L2P. If they're not face-tanking, they're not tanking, they're playing ring-around-the-rosie with you...Change my mind

Davadin · January 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

If your group can't kill someone face-tanking, it's L2P. If you're trying to 1v1 a face-tank, L2P. If they're not face-tanking, they're not tanking, they're playing ring-around-the-rosie with you...Change my mind

a PUG group of 6-10 people unable to kill a pair, or group of 3, tank-healers is a problem.

the face-tanking heavy armor wearing veteran able to burst crazy damage thanks to unique gear and specific combo is another problem.

together, they are the "tank meta" problem.............................................

honestly i dont think the tank meta problem is with individual player. it's a small organized unkillable ball of death that's a problem.

Nord_Raseri · January 2020

Davadin wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

If your group can't kill someone face-tanking, it's L2P. If you're trying to 1v1 a face-tank, L2P. If they're not face-tanking, they're not tanking, they're playing ring-around-the-rosie with you...Change my mind

a PUG group of 6-10 people unable to kill a pair, or group of 3, tank-healers is a problem.

the face-tanking heavy armor wearing veteran able to burst crazy damage thanks to unique gear and specific combo is another problem.

together, they are the "tank meta" problem.............................................

honestly i dont think the tank meta problem is with individual player. it's a small organized unkillable ball of death that's a problem.

High damage tanks? Yeah, that's an issue.

CynicK · January 2020

I do not think the problem is heavy armor, the problem and yesterday we were a group of around 10 in ic and the player that was harassing us healed all the damage we were doing with i guess a combination of health recovery a lot of it and healings, he was a warden, i think that heavy armor just offers mitigation and is not the real problem here.
In my opinion of how the game should work 10, with many above 500 cp, should be able to kill a single player no matter what and i think that a lot of people is missing the point and saying the problem is heavy armor when it is not.

Iskiab · January 2020

CynicK wrote: »

I do not think the problem is heavy armor, the problem and yesterday we were a group of around 10 in ic and the player that was harassing us healed all the damage we were doing with i guess a combination of health recovery a lot of it and healings, he was a warden, i think that heavy armor just offers mitigation and is not the real problem here.
In my opinion of how the game should work 10, with many above 500 cp, should be able to kill a single player no matter what and i think that a lot of people is missing the point and saying the problem is heavy armor when it is not.

How many of you were in bow specs? Bow specs are basicly Ult generators for wardens.

The Uninvited · January 2020

Bring back soft caps!

Qbiken · January 2020

CynicK wrote: »

I do not think the problem is heavy armor, the problem and yesterday we were a group of around 10 in ic and the player that was harassing us healed all the damage we were doing with i guess a combination of health recovery a lot of it and healings, he was a warden, i think that heavy armor just offers mitigation and is not the real problem here.
In my opinion of how the game should work 10, with many above 500 cp, should be able to kill a single player no matter what and i think that a lot of people is missing the point and saying the problem is heavy armor when it is not.

If 10 people can't kill 1 guy, that's on those 10, not the guy surviving.

Davadin · January 2020

Qbiken wrote: »

CynicK wrote: »

I do not think the problem is heavy armor, the problem and yesterday we were a group of around 10 in ic and the player that was harassing us healed all the damage we were doing with i guess a combination of health recovery a lot of it and healings, he was a warden, i think that heavy armor just offers mitigation and is not the real problem here.
In my opinion of how the game should work 10, with many above 500 cp, should be able to kill a single player no matter what and i think that a lot of people is missing the point and saying the problem is heavy armor when it is not.

If 10 people can't kill 1 guy, that's on those 10, not the guy surviving.

i somewhat disagree.

on 10v1, i agree. but take 10v2.

no, 15v2. these 2 synergize with each other, making them truly unkillable due to the heal and debuff, BUT once u build on Fury or whatever ready, u can unleash a combo that will take out 1-3 of the opponents.

in 10 min, 15v2 and 2 wins.

all the credits and props to the 2, well done, but can you honestly say it's on the 15 that have problems?

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

If your group can't kill someone face-tanking, it's L2P. If you're trying to 1v1 a face-tank, L2P. If they're not face-tanking, they're not tanking, they're playing ring-around-the-rosie with you...Change my mind

a PUG group of 6-10 people unable to kill a pair, or group of 3, tank-healers is a problem.

the face-tanking heavy armor wearing veteran able to burst crazy damage thanks to unique gear and specific combo is another problem.

together, they are the "tank meta" problem.............................................

honestly i dont think the tank meta problem is with individual player. it's a small organized unkillable ball of death that's a problem.

High damage tanks? Yeah, that's an issue.

i can meta build without Fury to have 35k+ resistance, 3k+ crit resist, 2k health regen, 27k vigor, 11k cauterize, 35k stam, 30k health, 17 (forgot) magicka................

...........with the ability to hit 6k+ weapon damage and 28k Leap with about 10k penetration.

am i a face tanking tank? no. 10 person on me and ill die. but not until i take 2-3 of them with me.

am i part of the problem?

(PS: I dont run those numbers these days. Plague Slinger med build ftw lol)

heavier · January 2020

make combat physics more dynamic so that PvP actually requires thought.
there aren't any opportunities to kill tanky players because ESO PvP is 85% build 13% knowing how to apply pressure 1.5% knowing how to dissipate pressure and .5% skill.