themaddaedra wrote: »OneWhomWaits wrote: »...and even more so the people in the endgame community who cheapen the notion of accomplishment by selling them.
Hey Code. I've been in both guilds and Cores which would not participate in the carry business. I can see your point.
Do you feel that barrier spam has not cheapened the accomplishments in the same way? Do the titles still hold any value at a time when nearly no skill at all is required to obtain them? On any given night you can within less than an hour, and some prodigious barrier spam, accomplish nearly any title you desire.
Is by that logic every godslayer with stacked up necro ults also "cheapened" ? Does it still hold any value ?
Godslayer and the trifecta, at least for the time being, are two very different things. One is getting one shot by pugs. The other takes months of progression.
One year ago You would've said the same about gryphon's gheart. Every piece of content with time will get more accesible. Still that doesnt change the fact that there is a little irony in fact people see extensive usage of barrier as unworthy but at the same time extensive usage of collosus is considered 200 IQ move. I think the reason for that lies in the fact some people cannot tell the difference between achievement run and score run.
People often make the mistake of thinking that difficulty in ESO is measured by mechanics or title completions while in fact it is measured by time and nothing else.
In almost every discord i've ever joined recently was an endless barrier discussion and apparently you have to sound loud against it to be considered a decent raider. While in fact barrier doesn't give you anything but titles and achievements, which are already proven to be a joke so many times. People defend selling GH, IR, TTT runs then stand against people who got these titles by using barrier. I don't know but it doesn't sound cheaper than buying those titles by selling crowns to me.
That's a bit of endgame hypocracy that creates illusion on the lower end of community.
There was, for a time, a gentelmans agreement to go for scores not titles. Some groups broke this. Which ment that groups split into score groups and acheivement groups. With a huge stigma against the slowest and cheesiest score acheivement groups.
As for the carry runs... the titles are worthless to any decent raider so why not sell them?
themaddaedra wrote: »OneWhomWaits wrote: »...and even more so the people in the endgame community who cheapen the notion of accomplishment by selling them.
Hey Code. I've been in both guilds and Cores which would not participate in the carry business. I can see your point.
Do you feel that barrier spam has not cheapened the accomplishments in the same way? Do the titles still hold any value at a time when nearly no skill at all is required to obtain them? On any given night you can within less than an hour, and some prodigious barrier spam, accomplish nearly any title you desire.
Is by that logic every godslayer with stacked up necro ults also "cheapened" ? Does it still hold any value ?
Godslayer and the trifecta, at least for the time being, are two very different things. One is getting one shot by pugs. The other takes months of progression.
One year ago You would've said the same about gryphon's gheart. Every piece of content with time will get more accesible. Still that doesnt change the fact that there is a little irony in fact people see extensive usage of barrier as unworthy but at the same time extensive usage of collosus is considered 200 IQ move. I think the reason for that lies in the fact some people cannot tell the difference between achievement run and score run.
People often make the mistake of thinking that difficulty in ESO is measured by mechanics or title completions while in fact it is measured by time and nothing else.
In almost every discord i've ever joined recently was an endless barrier discussion and apparently you have to sound loud against it to be considered a decent raider. While in fact barrier doesn't give you anything but titles and achievements, which are already proven to be a joke so many times. People defend selling GH, IR, TTT runs then stand against people who got these titles by using barrier. I don't know but it doesn't sound cheaper than buying those titles by selling crowns to me.
That's a bit of endgame hypocracy that creates illusion on the lower end of community.
There was, for a time, a gentelmans agreement to go for scores not titles. Some groups broke this. Which ment that groups split into score groups and acheivement groups. With a huge stigma against the slowest and cheesiest score acheivement groups.
As for the carry runs... the titles are worthless to any decent raider so why not sell them?
But arent those titles partially worthless because You can sell them ?
UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Who really cares... unless it’s a sorc carry... then nerf sorc.
Since OP has had his argument metaphorically blown out of the water and given me a few minutes of fun watching I thought I'd just chime in and put forward another angle which I don't think has been touched upon.
Let us not forget OP that this game is a MMORPG with the RPG being the important part, role playing game. Some people might want to role play being able to hire a mercenary. So to recap, it's been clearly shown it's not p2w, it's not against the rules and no one gets hurt, and it fits into the style of the game from a role playing point of view as well.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Not very smart let me tell you slow
Muppet A : Buys crowns with USD
Muppet A : Exchanges Crowns for Gold
Muppet A : Buys Runs through Vet DSA , Vet SS , Vet CR and completely gears
Muppet A : Used USD to Buy Runs which gave him a huge WIN
See that.
How is that not Pay to Win. Maybe use your brains a little sparky
themaddaedra wrote: »OneWhomWaits wrote: »...and even more so the people in the endgame community who cheapen the notion of accomplishment by selling them.
Hey Code. I've been in both guilds and Cores which would not participate in the carry business. I can see your point.
Do you feel that barrier spam has not cheapened the accomplishments in the same way? Do the titles still hold any value at a time when nearly no skill at all is required to obtain them? On any given night you can within less than an hour, and some prodigious barrier spam, accomplish nearly any title you desire.
Is by that logic every godslayer with stacked up necro ults also "cheapened" ? Does it still hold any value ?
Godslayer and the trifecta, at least for the time being, are two very different things. One is getting one shot by pugs. The other takes months of progression.
One year ago You would've said the same about gryphon's gheart. Every piece of content with time will get more accesible. Still that doesnt change the fact that there is a little irony in fact people see extensive usage of barrier as unworthy but at the same time extensive usage of collosus is considered 200 IQ move. I think the reason for that lies in the fact some people cannot tell the difference between achievement run and score run.
People often make the mistake of thinking that difficulty in ESO is measured by mechanics or title completions while in fact it is measured by time and nothing else.
In almost every discord i've ever joined recently was an endless barrier discussion and apparently you have to sound loud against it to be considered a decent raider. While in fact barrier doesn't give you anything but titles and achievements, which are already proven to be a joke so many times. People defend selling GH, IR, TTT runs then stand against people who got these titles by using barrier. I don't know but it doesn't sound cheaper than buying those titles by selling crowns to me.
That's a bit of endgame hypocracy that creates illusion on the lower end of community.
There was, for a time, a gentelmans agreement to go for scores not titles. Some groups broke this. Which ment that groups split into score groups and acheivement groups. With a huge stigma against the slowest and cheesiest score acheivement groups.
As for the carry runs... the titles are worthless to any decent raider so why not sell them?
But arent those titles partially worthless because You can sell them ?
they lost any value to people before they started selling them