Carry culture doesn’t stop you from leading your own raids.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem players, from these guilds, had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
You have got 0 evidence for this. The reason for carry discords is that there are more people intrested in skins and gear than people intrested in putting in the effort. Hense why you can sell in game skill as labour.
If you don't like the carry culture just don't buy the runs
Anotherone773 wrote: »Why would carries be bannable? And its definitely not even P2W. People really need to learn what P2W means before they sling it around. Ive seen it used on this forum dozens of times and never once was the person(s) offended about how ESO was becoming P2W using it correctly.
OK. Since your a genius let us define pay to win.
Using real world money to gain an advantage over players who havent spent that money
Ok. Since you are a genius let us work out whether getting carried through a Vet Trial on HM, receiving gear and titles will allow you to have an advantage... do I really need to.
Problem with people like you is you think slowly and rarely before you post. It is what passes for intelligence for some.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem players, from these guilds, had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
This is so unbelievably false, I can't even gather energy to properly respond. our wow guild and 3 sister guilds (YES THREE) were dedicated to raiding and teaching new players how to play and complete content. Yeah, of course we didn't invite them to scheduled progression or main groups, not until we made the clears flawlessly at least. But what you're saying has no basis in reality nor proof, there were people selling carries but they were a vast minority.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Hate to break it to you but many top raiders help other players, other guilds and teams get their clears without charging. Just in the forums I know Alcast, Woeler and others have been happy to answer questions, even via PM. I used to run a few times a week with training groups including leading some. I cannot begin to count how many of those groups has player getting their first clear. It is not fun wiping on content time after time when you can clear it easily, but it is worthy.
So players still help other players. Just some are more willing to put forth the effort and others to put forth the gold.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
You have got 0 evidence for this. The reason for carry discords is that there are more people intrested in skins and gear than people intrested in putting in the effort. Hense why you can sell in game skill as labour.
If you don't like the carry culture just don't buy the runs
That is the same as saying if you don't like Gangbangers shooting up a neighbourhood then just dont participate in buying crack.
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Why would carries be bannable? And its definitely not even P2W. People really need to learn what P2W means before they sling it around. Ive seen it used on this forum dozens of times and never once was the person(s) offended about how ESO was becoming P2W using it correctly.
OK. Since your a genius let us define pay to win.
Using real world money to gain an advantage over players who havent spent that money
Ok. Since you are a genius let us work out whether getting carried through a Vet Trial on HM, receiving gear and titles will allow you to have an advantage... do I really need to.
Problem with people like you is you think slowly and rarely before you post. It is what passes for intelligence for some.
Not pay to win and your failed attempt at insulting me will not change the definition. You want to define pay to win? Ok, i will define it for you. Pay to win means to use real money to obtain advantages that are not otherwise obtainable in game. The fact that you can obtain carries with in game gold immediately and completely destroys any argument that one can come up with to argue something is pay2win.
In order for it to be pay to win it would have to be something advantageous that can only be bought with real money. Anyone can buy a carry. You do know that crown store gifting is a pretty recent addition and carries have been done for quite some time FOR GOLD... right? Since crown store gifting, carries have started being done for... GOLD. Guess what? You can buy a carry for... GOLD. Guy what is the primary default currency in this game? GOLD.
When youre done raging against the machine, download any game on your app store of choice and your pretty much guaranteed to be in a pay2win game.
Yes it is sanctioned by ZoS
As much as I want to believe you, perhaps a source or an official comment.
I find it disgusting that in this day and age a company would sanction this sort of thing to bring real world $$$$ into the endgame.
Love to know... be another reason to be disappointed with them
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem players, from these guilds, had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
This is so unbelievably false, I can't even gather energy to properly respond. our wow guild and 3 sister guilds (YES THREE) were dedicated to raiding and teaching new players how to play and complete content. Yeah, of course we didn't invite them to scheduled progression or main groups, not until we made the clears flawlessly at least. But what you're saying has no basis in reality nor proof, there were people selling carries but they were a vast minority.
I am sorry you feel strongly. I was on Frostmourne for around 6 years and was a Mythic level tank (most of the time) . On our server especially at the end of the tier you could buy it easy
If you do not like my view then feel free to argue against it. But stop sooking because you like to buy carries and feel that it should be allowed.
If you do not like my view then feel free to argue against it. But stop sooking because you like to buy carries and feel that it should be allowed.
Not gonna say both sides here haven't been passive aggressive as heck... But people have given you very solid rational arguments already that yours don't hold up against and you're just not having it and throwing a bit of a fit. You're kind of the one sooking mate.
Player A - Pays Gold to Player B for Carry
Player B sells Gold to Gold Sellers..
This is how it happens and this is Play to Win.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
You have got 0 evidence for this. The reason for carry discords is that there are more people intrested in skins and gear than people intrested in putting in the effort. Hense why you can sell in game skill as labour.
If you don't like the carry culture just don't buy the runs
That is the same as saying if you don't like Gangbangers shooting up a neighbourhood then just dont participate in buying crack.
No because carry runs don't hurt anyone. It's more like saying if you dont want to be fat don't eat ice cream.
People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
He was using Zone chat to do it.
Also if you are running endgame trials , which they were offering at vet HM with titles and gear that would give a very significant advantage both in gear and be able to sneak into other trials using that title. Let's be clear this is P2W and seeing it advertised in Wayrest was too much.
OneWhomWaits wrote: »Player A - Pays Gold to Player B for Carry
Player B sells Gold to Gold Sellers..
This is how it happens and this is Play to Win.
Actually, that is not how we spend our money. I've made more millions than I can even remember in carries.
Once I get paid for a carry I then go to a crown trading discord and an ESO player who wants to sell their crowns for gold sells me crowns. We use our money from carries to purchase stuff from the ESO crown store. I've got almost every mount, outfit, style, crown crate drop, etc in the game. Doing carries is a fantastic way to earn in game money to pay for all of the cool things we want from the crown store. My housing addiction has cost me 60-100Million gold + easily. While I cannot have a house gifted to me, I can purchase crowns for target dummies, furniture, statues, luxury vender items can be bought with carry gold etc. I've also used carry gold to get character slots purchased, race changes, etc.
Siohwenoeht wrote: »People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
He was using Zone chat to do it.
Also if you are running endgame trials , which they were offering at vet HM with titles and gear that would give a very significant advantage both in gear and be able to sneak into other trials using that title. Let's be clear this is P2W and seeing it advertised in Wayrest was too much.
Firstly, It's in no way p2w. Secondly, if you are worried that they have endgame gear they didn't "earn" guess what? If they couldn't nclear the content without a carry, they certainly won't be able to utilize the gear to it's full potential. Gear isn't and never has been the only factor to being good at ESO.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
You have got 0 evidence for this. The reason for carry discords is that there are more people intrested in skins and gear than people intrested in putting in the effort. Hense why you can sell in game skill as labour.
If you don't like the carry culture just don't buy the runs
That is the same as saying if you don't like Gangbangers shooting up a neighbourhood then just dont participate in buying crack.
No because carry runs don't hurt anyone. It's more like saying if you dont want to be fat don't eat ice cream.
Siohwenoeht wrote: »People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
He was using Zone chat to do it.
Also if you are running endgame trials , which they were offering at vet HM with titles and gear that would give a very significant advantage both in gear and be able to sneak into other trials using that title. Let's be clear this is P2W and seeing it advertised in Wayrest was too much.
Firstly, It's in no way p2w. Secondly, if you are worried that they have endgame gear they didn't "earn" guess what? If they couldn't nclear the content without a carry, they certainly won't be able to utilize the gear to it's full potential. Gear isn't and never has been the only factor to being good at ESO.
OMG Seriously
Can you pay for it
YES
Does it provide you an ingame win
YES
Why is it not pay to win?
Waiting patiently...
Siohwenoeht wrote: »People can pretty much trade anything in game. Gina has specifically said we can trade items from the crown store for gold. That is trading an in game item for an in game item.
Zos also does not prohibit selling clears for gold but using the forums to drum up business is not permitted. This is not P2W as none of it makes anyone stronger. No aspect of it is P2W.
Also, I see you say nothing about Gina being in their Discord or even what that has to do with any of this.
BTW, I am sure some will thank you. The tend to use threads like these to find new customers.
He was using Zone chat to do it.
Also if you are running endgame trials , which they were offering at vet HM with titles and gear that would give a very significant advantage both in gear and be able to sneak into other trials using that title. Let's be clear this is P2W and seeing it advertised in Wayrest was too much.
Firstly, It's in no way p2w. Secondly, if you are worried that they have endgame gear they didn't "earn" guess what? If they couldn't nclear the content without a carry, they certainly won't be able to utilize the gear to it's full potential. Gear isn't and never has been the only factor to being good at ESO.
OMG Seriously
Can you pay for it
YES
Does it provide you an ingame win
YES
Why is it not pay to win?
Waiting patiently...
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You're either trolling or you need to admit to yourself that you're incapable of logical thinking and none of the people patiently typing their hands off trying to explain basic concepts to you can fix that. You have GOT to be doing this on purpose.
dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »This has been going on since the dawn of MMOs and it wont go away.
Stop trying to control how people play.
Doesn't make it a good thing.
The more people can charge for carries, the less incentive there is for them to help players, who want to raid/do trials, learn to do them for free.
Everything ends up locked behind a transaction, with virtually the only people progressing for free being those who already knew the people they play with in real life.
This is what was happening in WoW - almost no guild was recruiting and almost everyone was trying to charge the players, they had intentionally kept down, to experience raids.
Only thing that saved the game from it was LFR and then Flex (which was a level between LFR and Normal) and yet, some guilds still tried to continue with the carry culture.
I think this was also part of the problem they had with LFR - that it wasn't locking enough players out of raiding for their liking, meaning they were less likely to resort to paying for carries.
The whole thing is perverse and damages games.
You have got 0 evidence for this. The reason for carry discords is that there are more people intrested in skins and gear than people intrested in putting in the effort. Hense why you can sell in game skill as labour.
If you don't like the carry culture just don't buy the runs
That is the same as saying if you don't like Gangbangers shooting up a neighbourhood then just dont participate in buying crack.
No because carry runs don't hurt anyone. It's more like saying if you dont want to be fat don't eat ice cream.
You don't think being able to pay for high end content to be carried through hurts a game that incentivises people to work toward completing end game content for months or longer?
I get it - you just play on the forum without real opinions. Just because you do not understand why it is bad does not mean it is good.
At any rate I wanted to know from ZOS how they felt about it. Not some kid
Despite the fact OP is very overdramatic it's still a fact that people can buy carry runs for real money which is a little bit too much for my taste. Personally I never had issues with idea of carry runs I was always looking at it the way that when somebody is not great at gameplay part of the game but he/she is good at economy part of the game then his/her succes can come from that. Gifting which essentially is gold selling ruined that.