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IM a sorc okay let me tell you something nerf
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Indoril_Nerevar✭✭✭xandervalo wrote: »Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »xandervalo wrote: »Nerf the pet heal its absurd the amount the twilight heals. I only play MagSorc I pvp all the time its my main account I love sorc but for the love of god nerf the damn heal its insane and broken.
-Xanvalo
I must point something out for you.
I own a Sorceror Tank that has 66k - 75k HEALTH POINTS.
I never use the Twilight healing ability. I use the Clanfear because it grants me much more than the Twilight does.
For a Max Health Point Sorceror, The Clanfear can heal me for 30k - 60k instantly.
That's INSANE considering the other abilities a player could use on a sorc tank like that. . . . they already got crazy recovery and self healing from crits and Dark Magic abilities. Theyre based on Max HP. Directly applying Dark Magic abilities heals this Tank for 12k or more.
Soul Trap heals for 12k - 20k when enemy dies: and restores resources.
Criticals heal you - You dont need high criticals or even rating - just hit a critical in an AOE and you are healing endlessly. Lightning form? My goodness.
They can Use Dark Exchange to heal and replenish their Stam or Mag, resulting in infinite Blocking/Roll Dodging/Damage Shields. . etc! You didnt forget about Damage Shields did you? One Hand and Shield ability will heal you for 15k when absorbing ranged attacks of any kind or more, and protect you from 30k in PvE and 15k - 20k in PvP.
Sorc can also increase their block mitigation... This is ultimately the perfect Tank Class. It compares well to a Necromancer with the same build.
Yeah. Max HP Tank is OP. On ANY CLASS. But on a Sorc? I think it's beyond META. It's way too powerful.
i bet you are right i always wanted to make that for PVE but im not talking about pve and its un heard of atleast for me to see a sorc pvp tank, i dont doubt what you are saying though ive always thought about that due to passives
Works great in PvP too. My bad. But THIS patch they nerfed damage shields down by like 5k - 8k on Max HP Tanks.
So, when I was getting 20k Damage shields in PvP each, they are now like 12k - 14k ish
And now PvE damage shields are like 20k . . . .
FUNNY SINCE THERE ARE ONLY 20 OF THESE MAX HP TANKS THAT EXIST DAMN YOU ZOS WHY THE HELL LOL
Edited by Indoril_Nerevar on November 13, 2019 11:43AM0 -
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Remove the no-LoS and made it cone like other burst in the game so at least it require reaction to use it and not just "push button to heal random target behind".
This seems problematic since it is the pet that is supposed to be healing... the fun of being a pet sorc. Would the cone be coming from me? Well that seems silly. Would the cone be coming from the pet? That seems extremely un-fun to manage. I don't want an ability that requires me to position my pet so carefully, especially since I use the heal as a DPS and my target for the pets is what I'm damaging, besides the single heal that the matriarch does.0 -
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Remove the no-LoS and made it cone like other burst in the game so at least it require reaction to use it and not just "push button to heal random target behind".
This seems problematic since it is the pet that is supposed to be healing... the fun of being a pet sorc. Would the cone be coming from me? Well that seems silly. Would the cone be coming from the pet? That seems extremely un-fun to manage. I don't want an ability that requires me to position my pet so carefully, especially since I use the heal as a DPS and my target for the pets is what I'm damaging, besides the single heal that the matriarch does.
I agree that it would definitely make healing way too complex, but I think as it stands now healing is too braindead. You can be on the verge of death and a nearby healer fighting with their group can heal you without even looking at you, there are very powerful heals that only require one button to heal everyone around them without any sort of awareness or management. The ground AoEs and conal heal skills that require a little bit of awareness should be pulling off the best heals in my opinion.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xandervalo wrote: »Nerf the pet heal its absurd the amount the twilight heals. I only play MagSorc I pvp all the time its my main account I love sorc but for the love of god nerf the damn heal its insane and broken.
-Xanvalo
How much does it heal for?
I actually drug my healer back into a battleground the other day and it was surprisingly not awful. It's still not on par with some of the other games I have played as a healer in. But it's definitely improved some under this new development team. It used to be an act of pure torture for me to play as a healer. That's why I quit it. But now it's at least decent.
That being said, I still found Breath of Life to be too expensive when compared to the amount it heals for to effectively use as a steady heal. I also haven't encountered any healer who was even remotely OP. Rapid Regeneration was definitely an improvement though (and they needed it, desperately).
Edited by Jeremy on November 13, 2019 3:01PM0 -
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Remove the no-LoS and made it cone like other burst in the game so at least it require reaction to use it and not just "push button to heal random target behind".
This seems problematic since it is the pet that is supposed to be healing... the fun of being a pet sorc. Would the cone be coming from me? Well that seems silly. Would the cone be coming from the pet? That seems extremely un-fun to manage. I don't want an ability that requires me to position my pet so carefully, especially since I use the heal as a DPS and my target for the pets is what I'm damaging, besides the single heal that the matriarch does.
Their is no problem, the heal already come from you, not your pet, so a cone who come from you is gonna be the same as other healer and you still can heal with full value 2 player + keep a constant dps (low but still constant) so it still a strong heal but more skilled than the actual easy-win button we get.
I prefer that instead of lower potentiel cuz if the value is nerf we gonna see less of them and it's not the purpose.
That said, it's just my point that I share here, not pretenting is THE solution ^^[ PC EU ]
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[Crazy Gatherer & Compulsive Thief]0 -
xandervalo✭✭✭Oh another stupid pvp nerf thread, so original
Sorc if fine, heal is fine, since the change and buff sorc is finally a decent healer.
@Shanehere You mean the already most OP healer in the game with all advantage and 0 drawback ?
Damn you should ask ZoS for a post in balance team, you meet the condition.starkerealm wrote: »KillsAllElves wrote: »This has to be the stupidest thread on this forum.
@KillsAllElves, oh, trust me, this doesn't scratch the surface.
Agree, the guy have miss the "Nerf jump" and Nerf block" thread.
This pvp community....
Want to apologize here.
I've run some test in different content.
I now agree with the OP (PvE side, didn't have test in pvp), the sorc heal is now braind-dead easy.
More than templar, couldn't believe it but yeah, it's true, the surge is pretty good as aoe heal if you have enough crit (easy) but the Matri heal is very insane..
I wouldn't have a problem with that (2 slot) if it hasn't in addition : 0 LoS requirement + 2 char got the full heal.
It's to much.
Remove the no-LoS and made it cone like other burst in the game so at least it require reaction to use it and not just "push button to heal random target behind".
thank you thats what im saying. its nuts ty for trying it and seeing how ridiculous it is0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭xandervalo wrote: »Nerf the pet heal its absurd the amount the twilight heals. I only play MagSorc I pvp all the time its my main account I love sorc but for the love of god nerf the damn heal its insane and broken.
-Xanvalo
Self sabotage.0 -
Bloodgrave✭✭Who asks for their own class to be nerfed? This sounds more like someone who just wants someone else's class to be nerfed.Edited by Bloodgrave on November 15, 2019 5:14AM1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Bloodgrave wrote: »Who asks for their own class to be nerfed? This sounds more like someone who just wants someone else's class to be nerfed.
It really does. Anither reason why this community and game is in the toilet and why so many people have left this game.0 -
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Considering mag sorcs already have strong shields that heal is very strong lol 😂xandervalo wrote: »https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1908916541 FOR everyone that does not believe me that i am a magsorc, and for those of you that do not see the foulness of this heal (note it is not yet even morphed) read the self heal no cp
Edited by Deathlord92 on November 15, 2019 2:23PM0 -
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✭✭xandervalo wrote: »CeroSerotonin wrote: »Just unslot the skill lol
I'm guessing him staying alive isn't the problem. It is all the other Sorcs staying alive.
i used it for a week just to see it was nearly impossible to kill me with it and engine guard, i could tank like 8-10ppl no cp and kill them
Bah that's nothing, back when I was an ESO kid we used to tank at least 200 people with no CP and buck naked and all that before we walked five miles to school in the blinding snow.
Oh and stay out of my yard!0