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"DPS is through the roof" thread part 2
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MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MotokoHutt wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »frozzzen101 wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »Please go ahead and do, but if I see some split screen separate cam BS and you not even shpwing the game load, you having addons, not showing what programs are in the background or you not using a default £5 keyboard and mouse. Then even I will call BS and I personally will tell everyone I know and any new players, and any guild member that your a faker lol. So you better do it right or don't do it at all. Lol
Only thing sadder that asian falling for baits of this kind is your split personality talking with yourself on multiple accounts. Ohwell...
Conversely, that means you and your clone would be able to do 95k dps with couple addons and expensive mouse with ease? Because if I flip your argument on its head that's what you are saying. And if your answer is yes, then you are full of it.
We are a married couple you moron. To quote Dana White "No you MORON!"
Plz link yours and your wife's instagram account so we can check and if you couldn't it sounds like "a biggest chicken out 2019"
I have a Facebook will that do?
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Its amazing how many people manage to miss the point of the thread in favor of "Unless I personally fly to your house and stand over your shoulder watching you play ESO I will never believe your DPS numbers".
When the thread isn't about the numbers.
Its about the relative Impact of Gear and CP on DPS.
1. Do your regular parse with CP
2. Do your regular parse without CP.
3. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear with CP.
4. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear without CP.
It doesn't matter whether you normally pull 7k DPS, 30k DPS, or 50k DPS. You can still do the tests and help collect data.
I hate to see a potentially useful thread get derailed by baiting.
Too far gone at this point, I would say.0 -
Love Wizard✭✭✭✭✭So many clowns in this thread. Im legitimately getting sad just reading this nonsense. Yes macros are a problem in eso, yes alot of people use them but what you are referring to is just ***.
https://i.imgur.com/DpybmyO.png
So just because he has 15.8k in la dps, makes him a macro user?
https://i.imgur.com/F2vIpoB.png
Does this make me a macro user?
No, you clown.
The ping varies, server ping varies thus making the likes of light attack macros, skill macros and so on unreliable, and thus useless. You also have to take into account for mechanics.@IWM - EU - Member of Hodor
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MotokoHutt✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Its amazing how many people manage to miss the point of the thread in favor of "Unless I personally fly to your house and stand over your shoulder watching you play ESO I will never believe your DPS numbers".
When the thread isn't about the numbers.
Its about the relative Impact of Gear and CP on DPS.
1. Do your regular parse with CP
2. Do your regular parse without CP.
3. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear with CP.
4. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear without CP.
It doesn't matter whether you normally pull 7k DPS, 30k DPS, or 50k DPS. You can still do the tests and help collect data.
I hate to see a potentially useful thread get derailed by baiting.
Its really not a helpful thread its just a my sex organs bigger then your competition as meta people try to constantly brag how good they are and happens like 5+ times on the daily on this forum. Can you blame anyone for being sick of it?PC EU2 -
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✭and In the end the thread was locked again and nothing of value was lost.Edited by Fur_like_snow on November 10, 2019 7:30PM3 -
T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Its amazing how many people manage to miss the point of the thread in favor of "Unless I personally fly to your house and stand over your shoulder watching you play ESO I will never believe your DPS numbers".
When the thread isn't about the numbers.
Its about the relative Impact of Gear and CP on DPS.
1. Do your regular parse with CP
2. Do your regular parse without CP.
3. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear with CP.
4. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear without CP.
It doesn't matter whether you normally pull 7k DPS, 30k DPS, or 50k DPS. You can still do the tests and help collect data.
I hate to see a potentially useful thread get derailed by baiting.
Except there have been tons of people who have already measured and described the impact of CP on DPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFD7h8bPSek
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340367/impact-of-mage-champion-point-rebalances
tl;dr is that from CP160 to CP300 is the largest jump, and then CP only managed to make up maybe 15 to 20 percent of your DPS
Recall that Hodor managed to beat vMaw HM using only 300 CP on each person.
Gear has also been answered several times as well. Beginner set-ups running sets like MS/Julianos/Grothdarr are only 10 to 15 percent off from the top set-ups like MS/Siroria/Zaan if you look at parses.
Combined, gear and CP make up probably between 25 to 30 percent of the overall DPS package. The other 70 to 75 percent is just player skill. A player with low skill won't see a large relative difference between running the best gear sets or maxing out their CP compared to running beginner sets and CP 300. A player with high skill also won't see much of a relative difference.
But the two players will see a large relative difference between each other, and the only difference is player skill.
Again, it is clear when I help other people with their DPS. We can be playing the same class, with same CP, using the same gear, and using the same rotation. But I'll pull higher because my rotation is cleaner, my weaving is timed well, my DoTs don't run out, etc. I am not as good as Liko because I am not as skilled. Not because he has better gear or CP.11 -
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Well we raid together so do you accuse me on using macro engine and its not even a good parse like :shrug:Don't forget you get a lot extra damage from vma staff. If you don't have a vma staff on a magicka build you will never get to 20k la dps just a little hint. And if you do less dmg check it you really hit all light attacks, it should be (sum of all lightattacks) / fightime = 0.85-0.95 if it's any lower you are missing some
vMA staff is probably part of the phenomenon. The higher your LA damage, the higher it pumps it further.
Anyway even with vMA staff, going above 10k LAs DPS pertains to the esoteric.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270614049094500369/643151278813216768/IMG_20191110_190942.jpg
On the trial dummy 18k is doable easily
Are you flashing 100k left and right? No, you don't. Therefore what I say does not apply to you.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭MotokoHutt wrote: »frozzzen101 wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »Please go ahead and do, but if I see some split screen separate cam BS and you not even shpwing the game load, you having addons, not showing what programs are in the background or you not using a default £5 keyboard and mouse. Then even I will call BS and I personally will tell everyone I know and any new players, and any guild member that your a faker lol. So you better do it right or don't do it at all. Lol
Only thing sadder that asian falling for baits of this kind is your split personality talking with yourself on multiple accounts. Ohwell...
Conversely, that means you and your clone would be able to do 95k dps with couple addons and expensive mouse with ease? Because if I flip your argument on its head that's what you are saying. And if your answer is yes, then you are full of it.
We are a married couple you moron. To quote Dana White "No you MORON!"
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NaomiHutt✭✭✭✭MotokoHutt wrote: »frozzzen101 wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »Please go ahead and do, but if I see some split screen separate cam BS and you not even shpwing the game load, you having addons, not showing what programs are in the background or you not using a default £5 keyboard and mouse. Then even I will call BS and I personally will tell everyone I know and any new players, and any guild member that your a faker lol. So you better do it right or don't do it at all. Lol
Only thing sadder that asian falling for baits of this kind is your split personality talking with yourself on multiple accounts. Ohwell...
Conversely, that means you and your clone would be able to do 95k dps with couple addons and expensive mouse with ease? Because if I flip your argument on its head that's what you are saying. And if your answer is yes, then you are full of it.
We are a married couple you moron. To quote Dana White "No you MORON!"
You have issues
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witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭MotokoHutt wrote: »Can you blame anyone for being sick of it?
Yes. You are supposedly an adult.
As an adult, you should be able to realise that your little toxic temper tantrum on Asian is absolutely misplaced, as he is not the one 'flashing his sex organs' on the forums 5 times a day.
Just because others can do something you cannot does not make them cheaters.
Just because you cannot understand something does not make them cheaters.14 -
NaomiHutt✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »Can you blame anyone for being sick of it?
Yes. You are supposedly an adult.
As an adult, you should be able to realise that your little toxic temper tantrum on Asian is absolutely misplaced, as he is not the one 'flashing his sex organs' on the forums 5 times a day.
Just because others can do something you cannot does not make them cheaters.
Just because you cannot understand something does not make them cheaters.
This is number one bull s**t
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✭I feel like the combat team is just balancing around organized teams rather than the entire player base as a whole. I heard some elitist say that the new 23m trial dummy is the new gold standard for parses, yea ok but not everyone is going to have those buffs that the trial dummy provides running 24/7 during a trial it's just unrealistic and the ones that can are just a handful of guilds.8 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel like the combat team is just balancing around organized teams rather than the entire player base as a whole. I heard some elitist say that the new 23m trial dummy is the new gold standard for parses, yea ok but not everyone is going to have those buffs that the trial dummy provides running 24/7 during a trial it's just unrealistic and the ones that can are just a handful of guilds.
You've entirely missed the point why iron atro is the gold standard. It is not about hitting the numbers you hit on dummy in a dungeon/trial. But about the dummy providing everyone with the exact same playing field. Everyone on the dummy has all the buffs. So everyone can do their absolute best on it. And then you can compare between those absolute best results without questions about fracture/breach, ele drain, class buffs and so on interfering with your tests.5 -
Kittytravel✭✭✭✭✭This original post is baseless. Of course you're gonna parse like absolute garbage if your gear is not optimal and not golded out
I feel like I shouldn't but I'll explain anyway.
The OP was answering a question on how much gear mattered for DPS; not whether or not you would parse differently. He knew he would parse differently the question was how much effect does gear rank have on the same player and the same rotation.
It's not baseless at all and frankly it's rather interesting to see the impact of just moving the gear up those notches and provides helpful knowledge to people who build craft instead of copy/pasting Alcast and Dottz.6 -
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✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Its amazing how many people manage to miss the point of the thread in favor of "Unless I personally fly to your house and stand over your shoulder watching you play ESO I will never believe your DPS numbers".
When the thread isn't about the numbers.
Its about the relative Impact of Gear and CP on DPS.
1. Do your regular parse with CP
2. Do your regular parse without CP.
3. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear with CP.
4. Do your regular parse in white quality, no set gear without CP.
It doesn't matter whether you normally pull 7k DPS, 30k DPS, or 50k DPS. You can still do the tests and help collect data.
I hate to see a potentially useful thread get derailed by baiting.
Thank you! I left for an hour to do more testing and things have spiraled out of control. My point was that good gear accounts for a MASSIVE percentage of DPS and that it was humbling to see that.
If I was in actuality using macros, why would I post that? I’d want people to think that I’m as naturally awesome as possible, not that my gear and CP are contributing a lot to the numbers I see.
Unless there’s a workaround to the cap on number of Las you can do while mashing the LA button, in what universe would a macro help this?
I’ve got on imperfect Siroria (Divines), a Spell Strategist inferno staff on my front bar (Precise + flame enchant), spell strat jewels (2x bloodthirsty, 1x infused, spell damage enchants), and a vMA inferno back bar (infused + berserker), Zaan monster set (divines). All are legendary simply because that’s how sets come in the PTS.
Front bar = unused fissure/screaming cliff racer/fetcher infection/inner light/Bird of Prey
Back bar = Blockade of fire/netch/bird of prey/inner light/screaming cliff racer
The only Animal Companions skill used was Netch; the rest are slotted for the passives
No potions.
All I did here was activate Netch and Blockade then switch to the front bar and LA til I had to refresh. I mashed the LA trigger to fire as many off as I could. There seems to be a limit- I tried clicking a mouse as fast as I could too and got similar results. Light attack damage with staves are a function of max magicka and spell damage. I find that I pull higher DPS with higher spell damage vs. higher crit and that’s why I run Siroria + Spell Strategist- they both increase spell damage considerably.
If any of you are on PC/NA/EU, feel free to hit me up in-game (@AeiaTheHuntress) and I’ll be more than happy to work with you. If you are struggling/don’t feel like hanging out with me, the thing that helped me the most was to watch videos of the pros doing their rotations slowed down to .75 speed or so. Then take that and try to learn from it. Parse for 5-10 minutes when you log in and try to apply that to your “real” gameplay.
It’s the iterative process that most seem to miss. If you’re not parsing consistently -at least before you have your rotation down pat- you’re going to take a LOT longer to catch on. Parse -> work on that in real gameplay -> parse -> etc. Some days you’ll feel like the parsing was all for naught, because you’ll feel like you have something down when you parse but will struggle when you try to apply it. That’s why you need to keep going back to the dummy consistently… because it WILL eventually click. As I mentioned earlier, what gave me a lot of trouble was the bar swap -> pause -> Barbed Trap combo because there’s a fraction of a second after bar swapping where you can’t cast anything. I thought I’d never get it but kept working on it, and without really realizing it I started to get it down in practice.
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✭Bruh you don’t need scripts in pve. It’s not pvp you havea few well know ffilthy cheaters with their auto break free auto dodge.1 -
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✭MotokoHutt wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »At the end of the day anyone can show stats on a screen, but if you want to prove you did them without aid of any kind you need to record yourself doing it with a camera that shows everything.
The keyboard and mouse or (controller if that's your thing) with the screen also in the same view.
Once you can do this then maybe people like myself will believe it can be done.
Like I said, I will be doing this, just to shut people up. I doubt it'll actually do anything, but at least everyone else can just point to that video and tell the naysayers "see, I told you so."
Please go ahead and do, but if I see some split screen separate cam BS and you not even shpwing the game load, you having addons, not showing what programs are in the background or you not using a default £5 keyboard and mouse. Then even I will call BS and I personally will tell everyone I know and any new players, and any guild member that your a faker lol. So you better do it right or don't do it at all. Lol
Lols, can i ask what you think is the highest achievable dps without cheats?1 -
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✭Love Wizard wrote: »So many clowns in this thread. Im legitimately getting sad just reading this nonsense. Yes macros are a problem in eso, yes alot of people use them but what you are referring to is just ***.
https://i.imgur.com/DpybmyO.png
So just because he has 15.8k in la dps, makes him a macro user?
https://i.imgur.com/F2vIpoB.png
Does this make me a macro user?
No, you clown.
The ping varies, server ping varies thus making the likes of light attack macros, skill macros and so on unreliable, and thus useless. You also have to take into account for mechanics.
Oh no, scripter in pvp is way bigger issue, the one dare to trash talk after being xv1ed is the real garbage. He would not play clean and expect honor.0 -
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✭A dummy just teaches repetition , not how to play So spending 9 million hours a month in front of a dummy isn’t my (Anyone’s) idea of fun. Ultimately it teaches you very little - certainly not how to fight.
There isn’t a vet trial in the game where you stand still the entire fight. In addition you’d never use the same gear anyway - hence it’s ultimately pointless and just turns the numbers into a w***y waving contest . Even ppl that hit 95k on a dummy are probably closer to 50 in a trial so you Might as well Just put on trial gear and have fun And learn doing the real thing IMO
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✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Since the original thread got locked due to outdated information, I'm starting a new one. Particularly because I was intrigued by what @Morgha_Kul was wondering:Morgha_Kul wrote: »I wonder if someone with higher dps might try something and report back.
First, tell us what kind of dps you're getting as you are, kitted out normally.
Next, tell us what your dps is with GENERIC gear. No sets, nothing green, blue, purple or better... just plain white gear.
Finally tell us what dps you get in both prior conditions if you take away ALL Champion Points.
In each case, use the same skills and weapons (eg. if you're using a 2H sword in one test, use a 2H sword in all tests).
This will give us four data points.
Normal, advanced and set gear with full CP.
Generic, white gear with full CP.
Normal, advanced and set gear with NO CP.
Generic, white gear with NO CP.
Just curious to know what kind of numbers we will see. It might help us determine where the damage is coming from. Is it the gear? Is it the CP? Is it the skill of the player?
I can provide the first two data points.
I am max CP and my main is a magden. I have my CP allocated more or less the way that Alcast recommends, and my parse gear is (all Legendary) Spell Strat jewels, Bloodthirsty + spell dmg enchants + front bar inferno staff that's precise with a flame enchant; perfected False God's body, all Divines; Zaan head and shoulders, Divines; vMA inferno back bar, infused + weapon damage enchant.
Shadow mundus, all attributes into magicka, Ghastly eye bowl parse food, spell power potions
Front bar: Fissure, Dive, Fetcher, Degeneration, Bird of Prey
Back bar: Unstable Wall, Winter's Revenge, Elemental Drain, Barbed Trap, Bird of Prey.
Eternal Guardian ulti
My best 3 mil parse with the full setup described above is around 50k:
In general, my LA/second ratio is between .87 and .91
I then went into the PTS and made all-white gear with the same traits/enchants as I described above. Bar setup/mundus/etc stayed the same
I was pretty shocked. My DPS was halved:
LA/second ratio is about .87. Perhaps a bit lower, but it's within what I expect to be normal for me. I say that to highlight the fact that I'm LA weaving fairly consistently across parses.
I don't know what I expected, but it sure wasn't as drastic of a drop as this turned out to be. I tried over and over and couldn't get above 25k. I incrementally improved the gear to green, then blue, and finally purple. Each improvement netted about a 1.5k DPS increase- I was hitting about 28.5k with all purple gear. I parse consistent numbers, so there's little variance in terms of numbers within each gear setup.
For funsies, I used the generic purple gear but swapped in the vMA inferno staff on the back bar:
THEN, I made white sets of Julianos, Innate Axiom, and 2 pieces of Assassin's Guile (adds spell crit). Same traits/enchants as above. Easy 32k. I got distracted for a few seconds and missed a few light attacks, so my LA/second ratio is low, so it could be even higher with a better parse:
Removing CP from the equation next is going to be catastrophic to my sustain- I'm pushing it as-is. I'll try that later, but I forsee a LOT of heavy attacks and general struggle bus-iness in my future. Not looking forward to that,
Urgh - again these parses are what "disinform" the devs. Your 50k parse, while its great for bragging rights and all, its perfectly clear that you wouldn't be able to maintain those numbers unless in a perfectly organised group. The gap between your magic regen and drains is so huge that you couldn't hit those numbers on a +3m target.
Cheesed Parses are Chessed Parses and should NOT be used EVER as an indicator for where DPS is and whether DPS is in a healthy enough place to allow the average player to progress....NA PC | AD
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Yeah, I lost 30%. 72k during update 23, 50k now.My dps is down about 20%
My sustain is down about 80%
They literally f****d my main char up the a**e then s**t all over it for good measure
I haven’t set foot in an end game trial this patch on it - I darent
Sorry for the language but ZOS really screwed up Here.
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✭✭✭✭Way to much emphasis on numbers leaves the fun aspect found wanting. The best thing about Elsweyr was the high dps lead to a 5 year old game for the first time actually having massive amounts of build diversity for being able to complete vet content out side the hardest of hard modes. What we got over the last 2 dlcs has killed that and pigeonholed us into the worst copy and paste meta we have ever had in this game.
Almost as important is a very small % of players even attempt vet content let alone complete any of it and for some reason ZOS is perfectly fine with that and i cant for the life of me understand why they think that's ok. They keep balancing this game in a vacuum around the .01% of us that can put out the top dps and constantly miss the mark to lower the dps gap between players of different skill levels.
Their overall thought process on how ground dots should be viewed and how they behave has had a cascading effect that has now sucked in dirrect dots as well leaving so many skills off the table for builds. Running more then one ground dot is borderline impossible to sustain out of perfect conditions. With how powerful vma staff and bow are this leaves those as our go to single ground dot. This leaves every single class ground dot useless unless it has some passive dps increase tied to it for just having it on your bar. It's the number one thing that has killed class identity so much.
Combat and class identity is gonna suffer until they realize this. There should be an immediate revert of ground dots and new game plan to lower dps that brings the top down without effecting those just under it. The best way to to do that is focus on light attacks being the in the top 3 spots on top dps parses and near the bottom on lower ones. Weaving cant be taken out of the game but we can marginalize its damage to make it not so important. Light attacks are a means to regen ult and that should be their main focus, not super high dps like they are.
This is probably one of the best comments on the entire forum, perfectly highlighting what needs to change. In addition to the last bolded out sentence. I personally think it would be just fine if we let light attacks drop down drastically in damage. Can't remove it, then nullify it. Heck in the worst case scenario make them restore 1/3 of the resources that a heavy attack does and bring the damage down even more, and there you go. PvP would still be fine, more damage could be invested into actual abilities, it would probably feel less hectic, and performance would probably get a little better. Weaving would then help with sustain. I don't see anything wrong here.
"Oh, but what about all the skills and sets that require you to weave?! What about those?! Just make them gain stacks based on the type of abilites you use. Everyone already does that anyways with every weave so what the hell...
Noone will be able to complain about "crappy slow paced combat" anymore, becuase weaving will become more of a choice rather than no.1 requirement. Although, out of pure curiosity... I would love to see the names of people that would be first to complain, only to confirm that their defense of weaving has absolutely nothing to do with the fluidity of combat but rather the numbers they can get that others cannot. But I'll just mute myself for now, before the shitshow starts.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A dummy just teaches repetition , not how to play So spending 9 million hours a month in front of a dummy isn’t my (Anyone’s) idea of fun. Ultimately it teaches you very little - certainly not how to fight.
There isn’t a vet trial in the game where you stand still the entire fight. In addition you’d never use the same gear anyway - hence it’s ultimately pointless and just turns the numbers into a w***y waving contest . Even ppl that hit 95k on a dummy are probably closer to 50 in a trial so you Might as well Just put on trial gear and have fun And learn doing the real thing IMO
Here we go again... You know why people spend hours on a dummy? Because wether you like it or not, repetition is a way to mastery. On a dummy you can practice your rotation in a controlled environment to the point where it becomes muscle memory. And when you move to content you can focus all of your attention on movement, mechanics and all those things while still maintaining your rotation. People who spend time on a dummy can do both, its the "f*ck the dummy" guys who are either mopping the floor or are doing mighty 10k DPS for most of the fight
It's not a hard concept. It actually applies to a lot of things in life. From the most intense things like marksmanship basics which are learned at the range, with zero movement, but are stilll pretty darn valuable in a war zone. To the mundane skills like playing on a guitar or typing on a keyboard. The actual process might not be fun. But the feeling that you are getting closer to mastering something is a very enjoyable thing for many people.
You are also quite misinformed. There is little reason to use some other gear than your trial gear when you are practicing on a dummy. 70-80k DPS is also pretty common in trials. Even in places like vSS hardmodes. Check esologs, you'll be surprised. And really good players are hitting 90-100k in trials as well. You might be surprised how many of the trial fights can actuallly be transformed into a big dummy parse.
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✭A lot of people not getting the point, even though it's been reiterated a couple of times.
We're not really interested in WHAT your dps is. We're trying to tease apart where it's coming from. How much of your damage is coming from gear? How much from CP? Is it the buffs or debuffs that contribute the most to dps?
This is meant to help inform players who are trying to improve their dps by giving them some idea where to focus their efforts. If gear is the lion's share of the dps, then improving gear should be the focus. If it's CP, then getting that up should be the focus. If it's more about buffs or debuffs, then we would be better off KNOWING that.
I'll run the tests myself so everyone can have a laugh, and so we can see where MY minimal damage is coming from.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.5 -
T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »A lot of people not getting the point, even though it's been reiterated a couple of times.
We're not really interested in WHAT your dps is. We're trying to tease apart where it's coming from. How much of your damage is coming from gear? How much from CP? Is it the buffs or debuffs that contribute the most to dps?
This is meant to help inform players who are trying to improve their dps by giving them some idea where to focus their efforts. If gear is the lion's share of the dps, then improving gear should be the focus. If it's CP, then getting that up should be the focus. If it's more about buffs or debuffs, then we would be better off KNOWING that.
I'll run the tests myself so everyone can have a laugh, and so we can see where MY minimal damage is coming from.
See here. It's already been explained: a large majority comes from player skill.1 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »A lot of people not getting the point, even though it's been reiterated a couple of times.
We're not really interested in WHAT your dps is. We're trying to tease apart where it's coming from. How much of your damage is coming from gear? How much from CP? Is it the buffs or debuffs that contribute the most to dps?
This is meant to help inform players who are trying to improve their dps by giving them some idea where to focus their efforts. If gear is the lion's share of the dps, then improving gear should be the focus. If it's CP, then getting that up should be the focus. If it's more about buffs or debuffs, then we would be better off KNOWING that.
I'll run the tests myself so everyone can have a laugh, and so we can see where MY minimal damage is coming from.
The problem with that, as you have stated the issue, is that it's not a reasonable comparison. You've asked for data points on two ends of the extreme - high end gear, fully golded, at one end. White, non-set gear is a bizarre end of the extreme for the other. I mean, if people are running that and struggling that's one thing, but that doesn't seem to me to be something a lot of people do outside of the absolute newest players.
I don't think you'll be able to pull apart the 3 issues you've outlined in as simple a fashion as you like.
My opinions, not fully backed up with tests:
CP? If you're below 300 then absolutely bring that up, but it comes up quickly assuming you're playing actively anyways.
Gear? If you are running reasonably well chosen sets (and these do include several crafted and overland sets) at a reasonable quality with at least 2 5 piece sets, you've gotten the bulk of what you need down.
Buffs and debuffs? part of what people consider a rotation anyways. No one buff or debuff is going to double your dps.
All of these I believe are incremental changes, that won't let you prioritize the way you would like to.1 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Urgh - again these parses are what "disinform" the devs. Your 50k parse, while its great for bragging rights and all, its perfectly clear that you wouldn't be able to maintain those numbers unless in a perfectly organised group. The gap between your magic regen and drains is so huge that you couldn't hit those numbers on a +3m target.
Cheesed Parses are Chessed Parses and should NOT be used EVER as an indicator for where DPS is and whether DPS is in a healthy enough place to allow the average player to progress....
Except I can and do. I have access to my own major breach and minor berserk as a magden, and on top of that I've got minor vulnerability. As a result, my DPS doesn't increase as much as other classes in groups, but I can regularly hit 45ishk in dungeons and trials.
There's not a whole lot in the parse that I don't do/use in actual game play- I always use the false gods and spell strategist, and I'll use Zaan for fights that are generally single-target and fairly stationary. I use Iceheart otherwise. The only thing that changes in my bar setup is that I use Channeled Acceleration instead of Barbed Trap; if a healer's not running Ele Drain I may swap Trap out for it. For trash fights I may use Force Pulse instead of Dive; I've tested both and they're very close in terms of DPS output. Lastly, I run either Witchmother's or Clockwork Citrus vs. Ghastly Eye Bowl.2 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »Urgh - again these parses are what "disinform" the devs. Your 50k parse, while its great for bragging rights and all, its perfectly clear that you wouldn't be able to maintain those numbers unless in a perfectly organised group. The gap between your magic regen and drains is so huge that you couldn't hit those numbers on a +3m target.
Cheesed Parses are Chessed Parses and should NOT be used EVER as an indicator for where DPS is and whether DPS is in a healthy enough place to allow the average player to progress....
Except I can and do. I have access to my own major breach and minor berserk as a magden, and on top of that I've got minor vulnerability. As a result, my DPS doesn't increase as much as other classes in groups, but I can regularly hit 45ishk in dungeons and trials.
There's not a whole lot in the parse that I don't do/use in actual game play- I always use the false gods and spell strategist, and I'll use Zaan for fights that are generally single-target and fairly stationary. I use Iceheart otherwise. The only thing that changes in my bar setup is that I use Channeled Acceleration instead of Barbed Trap; if a healer's not running Ele Drain I may swap Trap out for it. For trash fights I may use Force Pulse instead of Dive; I've tested both and they're very close in terms of DPS output. Lastly, I run either Witchmother's or Clockwork Citrus vs. Ghastly Eye Bowl.
Like I said Cheese is cheese and those parses are cheese. Swap out the skills you are swapping out and your dps will drop, attack a target that has more than 3 mill health (aka Vet DLC +, Trials etc) and you're going to be hitting like a wet noodle at the end because your resource drain is sooooo much higher than your recovery, your gap is huge, theres no way you can sustain those numbers based on the stats you have posted......
That all suggests another cheesed dummy parse, and its these cheesed parses that need to stop being published because its them the devs look at and think, geez maybe DPS is too high when they're completely irrelevant to what the average output is when doing the harder contentNA PC | AD
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DaNnYtHePcFrEaK✭✭✭T3hasiangod wrote: »MotokoHutt wrote: »T3hasiangod wrote: »At the end of the day anyone can show stats on a screen, but if you want to prove you did them without aid of any kind you need to record yourself doing it with a camera that shows everything.
The keyboard and mouse or (controller if that's your thing) with the screen also in the same view.
Once you can do this then maybe people like myself will believe it can be done.
Like I said, I will be doing this, just to shut people up. I doubt it'll actually do anything, but at least everyone else can just point to that video and tell the naysayers "see, I told you so."
Please go ahead and do, but if I see some split screen separate cam BS and you not even shpwing the game load, you having addons, not showing what programs are in the background or you not using a default £5 keyboard and mouse. Then even I will call BS and I personally will tell everyone I know and any new players, and any guild member that your a faker lol. So you better do it right or don't do it at all. Lol
And people say that end-game PvE players are toxic.
I know this sort of dps can be done because I pull close enough numbers to the top players, I'm not an amazing player, nor am I famous but I can hit well over 80k on all my stam toons with an xbox 1 controller on PC...
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on November 11, 2019 9:13PM2
