Please DON’T bring back the Group Finder for dungeons

illusiouk · October 2019

No, it needs to come back.

Nyladreas · October 2019

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

mocap · October 2019

a lot of people win from it:
- Cyro PvP players
- any type of guild premades
- Craglorn randoms
- RP, questers, event grinders, crafters, traiders, fishing etc
- basically any player, cuz at least he can login into the game, lol

players who fail from it:
- most of BG PvP players, obviously
- PUG dungeon players

So?

Stanx · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

Strange to make those jumps in logic tbh with you buddy.

I play on console so it's difficult to use the text chat. I also play casually so it's difficult to maintain friendships with people when I may not log-in for a week or two at a time.

I am a very polite player and I use pugs most of the time as it's easy and 9/10 requests to run content will either fall on deaf ears or take too long to arrange - I may only be on for an hour or two at a time.

I'm also fully within my rights to enjoy the LFG tool without having to be called "negative" or being asked to provide "excuses" to justify myself to some stranger on the forums.

Have a nice day

drexciyan · October 2019

Just Selfishness. So you discovered you can actually group without the finder. That isn't a valid reason to remove it lol. You know the game is not only meant for you.

Donny_Vito · October 2019

The argument is all wrong here, this isn't really about the Group Finder at all. You had a good time because you chose to play with your friends and guildmates. It's really that simple, and it is relevant outside of ESO. People enjoy interaction with other like-minded people (i.e. friends).

Nyladreas · October 2019

Stanx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

Strange to make those jumps in logic tbh with you buddy.

I play on console so it's difficult to use the text chat. I also play casually so it's difficult to maintain friendships with people when I may not log-in for a week or two at a time.

I am a very polite player and I use pugs most of the time as it's easy and 9/10 requests to run content will either fall on deaf ears or take too long to arrange - I may only be on for an hour or two at a time.

I'm also fully within my rights to enjoy the LFG tool without having to be called "negative" or being asked to provide "excuses" to justify myself to some stranger on the forums.

Have a nice day

And yet you turn quite hostile right away in response. I don't think I understand what just happened, you contradict yourself

. As you said, it's just a forum assumption.

As a matter of fact though my best friend and colleague happens to play on PS4, and also has no problems talking up random strangers to do dungeons. Hence my assumption that one has to be of an undesirable character to have issues with grouping up.

Stanx · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

Strange to make those jumps in logic tbh with you buddy.

I play on console so it's difficult to use the text chat. I also play casually so it's difficult to maintain friendships with people when I may not log-in for a week or two at a time.

I am a very polite player and I use pugs most of the time as it's easy and 9/10 requests to run content will either fall on deaf ears or take too long to arrange - I may only be on for an hour or two at a time.

I'm also fully within my rights to enjoy the LFG tool without having to be called "negative" or being asked to provide "excuses" to justify myself to some stranger on the forums.

Have a nice day

And yet you turn quite hostile right away in response. I don't think I understand what just happened, you contradict yourself . As you said, it's just a forum assumption.

As a matter of fact though my best friend and colleague happens to play on PS4, and also has no problems talking up random strangers to do dungeons. Hence my assumption that one has to be of an undesirable character to have issues with grouping up.

My intention was not to be hostile but to illuminate that there are more than one way that people interact with this game and the community. I play in a way that suits me and that doesn't seem to cause anyone any grief in doing so.

I would also like to highlight that mental health is not an excuse and people deal with their own in very different ways. I don't suffer from any mental health problems, but my fulltime job is working for a charity that supports those with barriers presented by mental health. It's a specturm that manifests itself in a range of ways and at no point have I noticed anyone using theirs as an excuse. Incidentally, I love my job and the people I work with.

Now - this is getting off-topic so I think it's best we stick to the topic raised by the OP.

Like I said before, have a nice day.

Samadhi · October 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

God I was so pleased that Group Finder was down over the weekend.

I ran a ton of dungeons. I ran them as dd, healer and tank. I had no issues finding other players. I grouped up with guildies, friends and a bunch of randoms over the course of the day. We ran the dungeons we wanted, from vFG1 (it was a pledge, honest) to vDoM. And it was an absolute pleasure.

- No yolo nutters running through the dungeons

- No angry chat whining about DPS or healing or “this tank is ***, let’s vote to kick”

- No arsey behaviour, snide comments or unfriendliness

Just good chat and helpful advice when things went wrong and we had to adapt as a group, which is kind of what group content should be about. It felt great to be playing content as a team. I haven’t enjoyed dungeons so much for ages.

I did not for 1 second miss my “toxic random dungeon”, with its XP bonus.

Please, please ZOS make the Group Finder solely for BGs, where it’s actually needed and useful.

Are you unable to run dungeons in this manner while the rest of us have access to the group finder?

kllrbeas · October 2019

Just because its there don't mean you have to use it

ApostateHobo · October 2019

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

Strange to make those jumps in logic tbh with you buddy.

I play on console so it's difficult to use the text chat. I also play casually so it's difficult to maintain friendships with people when I may not log-in for a week or two at a time.

I am a very polite player and I use pugs most of the time as it's easy and 9/10 requests to run content will either fall on deaf ears or take too long to arrange - I may only be on for an hour or two at a time.

I'm also fully within my rights to enjoy the LFG tool without having to be called "negative" or being asked to provide "excuses" to justify myself to some stranger on the forums.

Have a nice day

And yet you turn quite hostile right away in response. I don't think I understand what just happened, you contradict yourself . As you said, it's just a forum assumption.

As a matter of fact though my best friend and colleague happens to play on PS4, and also has no problems talking up random strangers to do dungeons. Hence my assumption that one has to be of an undesirable character to have issues with grouping up.

Not sure what you're reading there as hostile dude. You seem to be the one being hostile here with all that passive aggressiveness you've got going on in these replies.

Edit to add that also just because you have a certain experience with specific mental illnesses doesn't mean it's the same for others. I have anxiety and ADHD as well, and have a lot of trouble trying to talk to people in game. I very rarely say anything in guild or zone chat because it usually gets me all panicky.

Samadhi · October 2019

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Can sort of relate to this
but, rather, it is a sense of not bothering to play in group content without the tool

it is actually a really interesting thing to me
here in ESO, will tank a few dungeons worth of pledges over the course of the day
but Fallout 76 implemented 4 person Vault Raids a while back,
and the lack of an in-game tool to sort out the grouping for me results in my never having run through the content

of course, ESO at least has the benefit of text chat being easier to manage than the force voice comms of 76
but still, access to the tool makes a powerful difference to my general gameplay

Rungar · October 2019

this is one reason i would of liked to see npc guilds like an undaunted guild you could join. It would have a chat which would of been based on your dungeoneering abilities letting you form your own groups with people similar to yourself much easier as an alternate to the groupfinder. .

apply that to trials, questing and even achievements gathering.. the groupfinder is a machine. learn how people work instead and youll never fail.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2019

Samadhi wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Can sort of relate to this
but, rather, it is a sense of not bothering to play in group content without the tool

it is actually a really interesting thing to me
here in ESO, will tank a few dungeons worth of pledges over the course of the day
but Fallout 76 implemented 4 person Vault Raids a while back,
and the lack of an in-game tool to sort out the grouping for me results in my never having run through the content

of course, ESO at least has the benefit of text chat being easier to manage than the force voice comms of 76
but still, access to the tool makes a powerful difference to my general gameplay

We been buggin them for a text chat like ESO for a year. Aint happening sadly

ChunkyCat · October 2019

if i can’t run through a dungeon while spamming “yolo” in group chat, then i don’t want to group with you either

Nyladreas · October 2019

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Well there surely must be a negative reasons for that. What's hard about saying Hi, how are you, wanna do a dungeon? Maybe change your attitude a bit?

And pls don't use mental illness excuses. I have several anxieties, PTSD and ADHD and I'm doing more than fine.

Strange to make those jumps in logic tbh with you buddy.

I play on console so it's difficult to use the text chat. I also play casually so it's difficult to maintain friendships with people when I may not log-in for a week or two at a time.

I am a very polite player and I use pugs most of the time as it's easy and 9/10 requests to run content will either fall on deaf ears or take too long to arrange - I may only be on for an hour or two at a time.

I'm also fully within my rights to enjoy the LFG tool without having to be called "negative" or being asked to provide "excuses" to justify myself to some stranger on the forums.

Have a nice day

And yet you turn quite hostile right away in response. I don't think I understand what just happened, you contradict yourself . As you said, it's just a forum assumption.

As a matter of fact though my best friend and colleague happens to play on PS4, and also has no problems talking up random strangers to do dungeons. Hence my assumption that one has to be of an undesirable character to have issues with grouping up.

Not sure what you're reading there as hostile dude. You seem to be the one being hostile here with all that passive aggressiveness you've got going on in these replies.

Edit to add that also just because you have a certain experience with specific mental illnesses doesn't mean it's the same for others. I have anxiety and ADHD as well, and have a lot of trouble trying to talk to people in game. I very rarely say anything in guild or zone chat because it usually gets me all panicky.

Well I'm sorry then. It just does indeed feel like something isn't right if a person plays an MMO but has to use a pretty much anti-social tool to actually complete content.

Not having the tool incites and enforces more social interaction and also reveals person's character. It helps overcome the barrier that is social interaction in this game. I just don't understand why anyone regardless of mental state would prefer to use a tool over actual interaction with people. Maybe I'm the idiot or just too stupid to understand lol.

Samadhi · October 2019

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

No, not everyone finds it as easy as you do to find a group of people to run content.

I'm really happy for you that you don't need the tool, but if I didn't have a group finder I'd rarely be able to play in group content.

Can sort of relate to this
but, rather, it is a sense of not bothering to play in group content without the tool

it is actually a really interesting thing to me
here in ESO, will tank a few dungeons worth of pledges over the course of the day
but Fallout 76 implemented 4 person Vault Raids a while back,
and the lack of an in-game tool to sort out the grouping for me results in my never having run through the content

of course, ESO at least has the benefit of text chat being easier to manage than the force voice comms of 76
but still, access to the tool makes a powerful difference to my general gameplay

We been buggin them for a text chat like ESO for a year. Aint happening sadly

Yeah, as someone with pretty extreme gender dysphoria over the sound of my voice, it is pretty crippling for the social side of 76
no mic plugged in, so all my 76 interactions are basically just me doing the heart emote at people then running off and playing on my own
the new single-player server system has been a bit of a godsend

but even if 76 had text chat, it prolly would not get me into the Vault 94 raids any more than the constant daily atoms and weekly unlockables have
with the group finder in eso out of comission, have stopped running dungeons -- see people in zone chat and stuff calling to set up groups, but do not venture to join them

of course all of this is still baby steps
it has taken years of therapy to get me doing group content in ESO at all
tho personally consider doing pledges to be a huge step forward, while remembering my own posts from just a few years ago opining an inability to level up the Undaunted passives before Bolgrul was added

VaranisArano · October 2019

What's the plan for backfilling dungeons when party members leave?

Quit?
Beg in your guilds?

Ilision · October 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

God I was so pleased that Group Finder was down over the weekend.

I ran a ton of dungeons. I ran them as dd, healer and tank. I had no issues finding other players. I grouped up with guildies, friends and a bunch of randoms over the course of the day. We ran the dungeons we wanted, from vFG1 (it was a pledge, honest) to vDoM. And it was an absolute pleasure.

- No yolo nutters running through the dungeons

- No angry chat whining about DPS or healing or “this tank is ***, let’s vote to kick”

- No arsey behaviour, snide comments or unfriendliness

Just good chat and helpful advice when things went wrong and we had to adapt as a group, which is kind of what group content should be about. It felt great to be playing content as a team. I haven’t enjoyed dungeons so much for ages.

I did not for 1 second miss my “toxic random dungeon”, with its XP bonus.

Please, please ZOS make the Group Finder solely for BGs, where it’s actually needed and useful.

AGREED

I would want a way to get that random dungeon XP though

RefLiberty · October 2019

If you dislike it = do not use it.

YaYaPineapple · October 2019

The biggest advantage of the group finder is the fact that groups can be made up from players who are in all different areas of the game world. Players from Glenumbra, Vvardenfell, Elsweyr and Summerset can be put into a random pick up group together without all four of those players going zone to zone to zone spammng chat looking for a group to join.

The group finder also allows you to do other things while waiting in the queue - so you can hit the bank, decon, or chat without having to spam zone chat constantly.

KappaKid83 · October 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

God I was so pleased that Group Finder was down over the weekend.

I ran a ton of dungeons. I ran them as dd, healer and tank. I had no issues finding other players. I grouped up with guildies, friends and a bunch of randoms over the course of the day. We ran the dungeons we wanted, from vFG1 (it was a pledge, honest) to vDoM. And it was an absolute pleasure.

- No yolo nutters running through the dungeons

- No angry chat whining about DPS or healing or “this tank is ***, let’s vote to kick”

- No arsey behaviour, snide comments or unfriendliness

Just good chat and helpful advice when things went wrong and we had to adapt as a group, which is kind of what group content should be about. It felt great to be playing content as a team. I haven’t enjoyed dungeons so much for ages.

I did not for 1 second miss my “toxic random dungeon”, with its XP bonus.

Please, please ZOS make the Group Finder solely for BGs, where it’s actually needed and useful.

Was definitely nice to actually get back to actually having to, ya know, communicate with other people in game to get objectives done.

redgreensunset · October 2019

And have zone chat so flooded with lfg messages that you can't read the regular chat. Nah.

frozzzen101 · October 2019

I can understand the sentiment and kinda sympathize with it, but we all know GF is coming back. As deficient as it is, game still need it and certain segments of playerbase really do need it.
BUT, this showcases how much better you are off making your own group from guild, zone or friendlist. It's one thing you can learn from this experience at least and put that extra 10% effort to get decent group rather than to be on mercy of NPC squad from group finder.

kojou · October 2019

Nothing wrong with the group finder when it works. I use it from time to time and if I bump into a good player then I add them to my friend list in case I need to fill a group later.

I have had far more good experiences than bad ones.

Tommy_The_Gun · October 2019

Group finder should be re-done & overhauled, so it would actually work. Also it should support all type of group content. Dungeons, Arenas, Trials. There is no reason for it not to at this point. (other than technical difficulties, but it should not be a reason in a 1st place).

You prefer playing with guild or manually form a group of randoms ? There you go, nothing is stopping you.
You want to automatically find randoms for the content you are interested in ? There you go, nothing is stopping you.

#ItIsGoodToHaveOptions

xMovingTarget · October 2019

Without the groupfinder people would need to talk to eachother. Bah. DISGUSTENG! Why would a mmo require you to talk to anyone. This is barbaric.
Waste your time by spamming the chats for people and then manually invite them to a party and reply to them. That is too much.

ZonasArch · October 2019

Aside from obvious selfishness, tell me... Why can't you do exactly that while finder is active? That's precisely what I do. I very very very rarely pug these days since I'm not playing a lot. Always reaching friends and guildies for dungeons to make sure they'll be fun successful runs.

Grouping tool on or off didn't change anything for me, but I'm sure it changed for those without as many dungeoning friends.

Think of others, since you're claiming you're a group player. A team player that can't think of others is either a poser or a liar. Bad either way.

Shanehere · October 2019

The people who are yelling and crying that OP is selfish are not seeing his underlying point. The Group Finder tool was made for the player base who play primary solo, who have no friends or guilds to run dungeons with them in game, yet the Group Finder system is also where you will come across the toxic players (which might explain why a lot of people need to use it so much). You would think that players who rely on random selective help from other players in order to get their content done would be an overall nice group of people, but that isn't always the case.

Having no LFG system requires players to be nice to each other, because if you don't then you won't get into a group, making it an overall better experience for all, that was his point. It is sad but true.

Fischblut · October 2019

Most of my dungeon runs (including DLC ones) were done thanks to group finder

Just on the last day before this patch (Dragonhold), I needed to complete Lair Of Maarselok on vet to finally unlock the beautiful red dye. I asked for group/members in appropriate zones for a long time, nobody answered. I queued in Group Finder, and got into group after 5 minutes. Of course it was in progress (luckily for me, before the first boss

), and it took more than 3 hours to finish the dungeon, but 3 hours was much better than no group at all

I like group finder, when it works