HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

fred4 wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

Certainly impressive healing numbers for just rapid regen + resto ult. Also, how do you feel healing ward compares to ward ally? I personally use ward ally for 100% guarantee I get the shield and for support on group mates with blackrose resto. I haven't tested the new heal ward since I assumed it was trash on a brawler kind of build, which is how I play magblade. What is your experience?

My Healing Ward with a less than 3K tooltip on a low-stat build has crit for up to 5K with Blackrose resto in CP IC. It will crit for about 4.2K in repeatable tests at around 30% health. The problem with it is that, when you get hit, it's still only a small shield and tends to get consumed without healing. To get the ideal numbers basically means you successfully cloaked or shaded.

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Think the new maurader + Alfiq + ? with a 2 hander would work well? Concealed has the cheap cost and stun when you combine it with Shadowy Disguise.

Or should I say, what sets would you try if you wanted to try maurader + 2H (Onslaught) + Concealed? No one seems to like 2 handers but me and I want to see if my no-CP build can be adapted to CP. Should be a proc set I think so the BRP resto is an option.

One random thing that might be useful is checking if hardening (shield) glyphs proc marauder. I know it says "whenever you use a damage shield ability" but so does infernal guardian and hardening glyphs proc that (or at least they used to last time I tried, although only with direct weapon damage abilities and LA/HA I think).
If it does then you get basically free full uptime on the speed just by light attacking, but may not be worth losing a damage enchant and you may be casting a shield frequently enough anyway.

brandonv516 wrote: »

ExistingRug61 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Think the new maurader + Alfiq + ? with a 2 hander would work well? Concealed has the cheap cost and stun when you combine it with Shadowy Disguise.

Or should I say, what sets would you try if you wanted to try maurader + 2H (Onslaught) + Concealed? No one seems to like 2 handers but me and I want to see if my no-CP build can be adapted to CP. Should be a proc set I think so the BRP resto is an option.

One random thing that might be useful is checking if hardening (shield) glyphs proc marauder. I know it says "whenever you use a damage shield ability" but so does infernal guardian and hardening glyphs proc that (or at least they used to last time I tried, although only with direct weapon damage abilities and LA/HA I think).
If it does then you get basically free full uptime on the speed just by light attacking, but may not be worth losing a damage enchant and you may be casting a shield frequently enough anyway.

What about the damage shield provided through the Psijic passive for blocking?

Jeezye wrote: »

Any new insights on the new patch?? I jumped in yesterday and found AW is a lot more reliable now, feels pretty good now that we got used to the delay.

I sadly also noticed my damage overall went down significantly, and had a hard time to actually bring down decent players, even with the classic harvest - stun - aw combo. Seems as dots, especially cripple, are beyond useless now, taking my CMX into accound.

One thing that stood out though is twising path. for some reason its damage is 30% above single target coefficients while being an AOE, granting movespeed and also only marginally costing more than cripple e.g. That one makes it back on the bars for sure.

Any other thoughts?

rabid64 wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

Any new insights on the new patch?? I jumped in yesterday and found AW is a lot more reliable now, feels pretty good now that we got used to the delay.

I sadly also noticed my damage overall went down significantly, and had a hard time to actually bring down decent players, even with the classic harvest - stun - aw combo. Seems as dots, especially cripple, are beyond useless now, taking my CMX into accound.

One thing that stood out though is twising path. for some reason its damage is 30% above single target coefficients while being an AOE, granting movespeed and also only marginally costing more than cripple e.g. That one makes it back on the bars for sure.

Any other thoughts?

what's AW and CMX?

Koensol wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Admittedly, hardly played the game this patch. ESO got kind of stale and BL3 is a blast. Hopped on this weekend, didn’t have a game under 1mil damage and 250k healing. 5 crafty Alfiq, 5 lich, BRP resto and Skoria. Heavy dot build with double healing drain poisons front bar, +9% healing back bar. Been rolling over people in BGs and single handedly carrying teams. Just have to know when to cloak away, when to get aggressive and when to defensively put up a heal. Other than that stack dots, watch the skorias rain down and time up that burst 👍🏻

Why would you run crafty over necro? Do you not use shade? I've also gone back to a more max mag based build on my argonian having a decent damage shield is the only way to survive outside of cloak spam. With my woodelf I'm still build around steed and Regen with high movement speed. I run both builds and the max mag is definitely better for standing and fighting. On my woodelf I have to constantly cloak image and roll around otherwise I get mollywhomped without a damage shield.

No shade. No shields aside from Ward to proc BRP resto. Insane sustain, great healing, solid burst when timed with Skoria proc. 1.3 mil damage and 550k healing in my one BG I did last night. Lol

Thats a solid score. What is your bar setup?

Front bar - entropy, mass hysteria, inner light, swallow soul, spectral bow

Back bar - debilitate, healing ward, cloak, rapid regen, siphoning attacks

Certainly impressive healing numbers for just rapid regen + resto ult. Also, how do you feel healing ward compares to ward ally? I personally use ward ally for 100% guarantee I get the shield and for support on group mates with blackrose resto. I haven't tested the new heal ward since I assumed it was trash on a brawler kind of build, which is how I play magblade. What is your experience?

My Healing Ward with a less than 3K tooltip on a low-stat build has crit for up to 5K with Blackrose resto in CP IC. It will crit for about 4.2K in repeatable tests at around 30% health. The problem with it is that, when you get hit, it's still only a small shield and tends to get consumed without healing. To get the ideal numbers basically means you successfully cloaked or shaded.

I play exclusively no CP. CP is a massive carry and in my opinion a lot more boring, so I focus all my builds towards no CP and BGs. As for the bolded part in your argument, this is what I figured what would happen. I always play with dark cloak so I felt I cannot make the most out of that healing.

As for dark cloak, I understand the critique towards it, and can see why people opt for shadowy disguise, but I personally hate the cloakspam playstyle. With cloak you don't have to think as much about your positioning, which makes you lazy. I used to play exclusively stamblade back in the day, and boy was it a rude awakening to actually have to learn positioning when playing other classes. Also with dark cloak I feel I am more able to stay with the group in a brawl without having to pop out and leaving my team with 3 man. What many cloakers don't realize is that even when you cloak and do not run away, the enemy only sees your 3 teammates and they will receive more focus from the enemy team as a result. The healing from dark cloak isn't the best but its decent when stacked with other hots like refreshing path, swallow soul, siphoning strikes, etc. I can definately feel an increase in sturdyness.

Your assertion that CP is a massive carry is the one thing that I find flat out incorrect, at least as it pertains to my own build. It actually performs better in no CP. I just find it different. Players may be less tanky overall, but because of the lower damage I find the average 1v1 time actually a bit longer. It's harder to heal and harder to sustain and this is conducive to fights having an outcome, rather than stalemating. If that's what you mean by it being less boring, then I agree with that part. At any rate, as a squishy sustain build and, well, a proc build, no CP actually suits me a great deal, yet I still play CP most of the time. I've historically played a lot in IC. I would like to play in Cyro more, but am quite intolerant of lag. My continued preference for CP has a lot to do with that, as it's just the better option for (solo) farming, in IC, when there's a lull in PvP.

Of course there are builds that are better suited to no cp, than to cp. Proc builds are an example of that. That has nothing to do with what I mean with 'carried', though.

The reason for why CP is a carry, has multiple reasons.
- You are often fighting people with lower cp than you. 100% carry right there. I have hit people with 18k bow procs in cp, which is close to impossible in no cp.
- It is a lot easier to build for full damage and still have decent sustain and defence, than in no cp. No cp builds require a lot more focus on sustain and mitigation, and thus sacrifices, whereas in cp these things are handed to you. In cp people are more often slotting more damage, because the "tank meta" is more evident there.
- Solo play in cp and no cp is a difference of night and day. Especially as a magicka build. In no cp you will run dry of stamina so much faster, plus free damage from procs actually hurts like hell there. CP feels like a walk in the park, because heals, sustain and mitigation are so much more potent. In no cp you have to be fast, mobile and have top knotch movement, else you will simply crumble under the pressure of even 2 halfway decent players.

Anyway, as far as the rest of your post that I snipped out, I see where you come from. I have actually been thinking to try a high burst damage setup using shadowy disguise + concealed, with good stam sustain so I can make more use of roll dodge. Was thinking to use the new marauder set with blackrose resto so I can healward + dodgeroll into cloak and then use RAT and dart out of trouble with the combined speed of those 3 sources. Then my 2nd 5 piece set would probably be something like amberplasm, with slimecraw monsterset. I have found combining slimecraw with lotus fan and soul harvest makes you reach very high burst even when your other sets are not even that damage oriented. Was hitting some people for 10k + bow procs with such setups.