Endgame is toxic. I noticed more run sales being advertised on zone chat since wow people came over here and started clearing end content. That was always going on in wow and to bring it to eso.....cant get away from toxic players.
Game communities are just a reflection of our society in the real world where greed is out of control.
Endgame is toxic. I noticed more run sales being advertised on zone chat since wow people came over here and started clearing end content. That was always going on in wow and to bring it to eso.....cant get away from toxic players.
Game communities are just a reflection of our society in the real world where greed is out of control.
IndianaJames7 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I got "cyber-bullied" too, once and in a very bad way. You re not the only one. Because I am red-green color blind, I had trouble seeing the aoe field in Weeping Woman in vet DoM (first run) and died 2-3 times. The healer harassed me badly and ofc I was kicked from group. Couldnt understand the reason why I had failed so misserably since I was good at tanking, then watched a DoM guide by Xynode. In the video, I noticed that he used a different color for the aoe field and suddenly all seemed pretty clear to me. Joined a pug again the next day and guess what? In the group, there was the same healer again. He started calling me names, asked for the other members to kick me but one dd refused. Passed Scavenging Maw easily again, then went to Weeping Woman. This time, the boss fight was a piece of cake and didnt die once because with a different color, the aoe field was clearly visible. But no, the healer wouldnt stop. Till the completion of the dungeon, (although I didnt die once) he kept harassing me, asking me to get cancer, to die, he dissed my family and he just wouldnt stop. Every single second I had my chatbox filled with curses, insults and hate speech. And this sociopath is still in the game, probably harassing other people.
It was the last time I did a vet DLC dungeon with a pug. After that, I joined some guilds and now do dlc dungeon runs only with guildmates.
As for ZOS... There are hundreds of trash like that guy but the company wont give a damn... They will only claim how "nice and wonderful" this community is... Not saying there are no good guys. Most of the guys are nice but there is a pretty big number of toxic trash that gives the game a bad name.
Some of these stories of toxic players harassing strangers are really mind blowing to me. I’ve put an insane amount of hours into this game and only ever come across one person that I would consider to be full board ‘toxic’, and even then it seemed to be a lower level likely wow refugee.
Players like the one you have discussed should 100% be reported. It is unlikely that your individual report will have any effect on ZOS, but chances are if they are that big of a pos to you they are probably that way to others as well. If ZOS recieves numerous reports of the same player from different players over different incidents, maybe they would look at taking action against them.
IndianaJames7 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I got "cyber-bullied" too, once and in a very bad way. You re not the only one. Because I am red-green color blind, I had trouble seeing the aoe field in Weeping Woman in vet DoM (first run) and died 2-3 times. The healer harassed me badly and ofc I was kicked from group. Couldnt understand the reason why I had failed so misserably since I was good at tanking, then watched a DoM guide by Xynode. In the video, I noticed that he used a different color for the aoe field and suddenly all seemed pretty clear to me. Joined a pug again the next day and guess what? In the group, there was the same healer again. He started calling me names, asked for the other members to kick me but one dd refused. Passed Scavenging Maw easily again, then went to Weeping Woman. This time, the boss fight was a piece of cake and didnt die once because with a different color, the aoe field was clearly visible. But no, the healer wouldnt stop. Till the completion of the dungeon, (although I didnt die once) he kept harassing me, asking me to get cancer, to die, he dissed my family and he just wouldnt stop. Every single second I had my chatbox filled with curses, insults and hate speech. And this sociopath is still in the game, probably harassing other people.
It was the last time I did a vet DLC dungeon with a pug. After that, I joined some guilds and now do dlc dungeon runs only with guildmates.
As for ZOS... There are hundreds of trash like that guy but the company wont give a damn... They will only claim how "nice and wonderful" this community is... Not saying there are no good guys. Most of the guys are nice but there is a pretty big number of toxic trash that gives the game a bad name.
Some of these stories of toxic players harassing strangers are really mind blowing to me. I’ve put an insane amount of hours into this game and only ever come across one person that I would consider to be full board ‘toxic’, and even then it seemed to be a lower level likely wow refugee.
Players like the one you have discussed should 100% be reported. It is unlikely that your individual report will have any effect on ZOS, but chances are if they are that big of a pos to you they are probably that way to others as well. If ZOS recieves numerous reports of the same player from different players over different incidents, maybe they would look at taking action against them.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »IndianaJames7 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I got "cyber-bullied" too, once and in a very bad way. You re not the only one. Because I am red-green color blind, I had trouble seeing the aoe field in Weeping Woman in vet DoM (first run) and died 2-3 times. The healer harassed me badly and ofc I was kicked from group. Couldnt understand the reason why I had failed so misserably since I was good at tanking, then watched a DoM guide by Xynode. In the video, I noticed that he used a different color for the aoe field and suddenly all seemed pretty clear to me. Joined a pug again the next day and guess what? In the group, there was the same healer again. He started calling me names, asked for the other members to kick me but one dd refused. Passed Scavenging Maw easily again, then went to Weeping Woman. This time, the boss fight was a piece of cake and didnt die once because with a different color, the aoe field was clearly visible. But no, the healer wouldnt stop. Till the completion of the dungeon, (although I didnt die once) he kept harassing me, asking me to get cancer, to die, he dissed my family and he just wouldnt stop. Every single second I had my chatbox filled with curses, insults and hate speech. And this sociopath is still in the game, probably harassing other people.
It was the last time I did a vet DLC dungeon with a pug. After that, I joined some guilds and now do dlc dungeon runs only with guildmates.
As for ZOS... There are hundreds of trash like that guy but the company wont give a damn... They will only claim how "nice and wonderful" this community is... Not saying there are no good guys. Most of the guys are nice but there is a pretty big number of toxic trash that gives the game a bad name.
Some of these stories of toxic players harassing strangers are really mind blowing to me. I’ve put an insane amount of hours into this game and only ever come across one person that I would consider to be full board ‘toxic’, and even then it seemed to be a lower level likely wow refugee.
Players like the one you have discussed should 100% be reported. It is unlikely that your individual report will have any effect on ZOS, but chances are if they are that big of a pos to you they are probably that way to others as well. If ZOS recieves numerous reports of the same player from different players over different incidents, maybe they would look at taking action against them.
Unfortunately, reporting him would have zero effect on him. When you report a player for harassment, ZOS sends you an automated message where they tell you to add him to ignore list and that they will take no action if the harassment does not happen again. They will check your report only if you report him again after some days.
Imho that’s kinda trash advice.
gatekeeper13 wrote: »IndianaJames7 wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I got "cyber-bullied" too, once and in a very bad way. You re not the only one. Because I am red-green color blind, I had trouble seeing the aoe field in Weeping Woman in vet DoM (first run) and died 2-3 times. The healer harassed me badly and ofc I was kicked from group. Couldnt understand the reason why I had failed so misserably since I was good at tanking, then watched a DoM guide by Xynode. In the video, I noticed that he used a different color for the aoe field and suddenly all seemed pretty clear to me. Joined a pug again the next day and guess what? In the group, there was the same healer again. He started calling me names, asked for the other members to kick me but one dd refused. Passed Scavenging Maw easily again, then went to Weeping Woman. This time, the boss fight was a piece of cake and didnt die once because with a different color, the aoe field was clearly visible. But no, the healer wouldnt stop. Till the completion of the dungeon, (although I didnt die once) he kept harassing me, asking me to get cancer, to die, he dissed my family and he just wouldnt stop. Every single second I had my chatbox filled with curses, insults and hate speech. And this sociopath is still in the game, probably harassing other people.
It was the last time I did a vet DLC dungeon with a pug. After that, I joined some guilds and now do dlc dungeon runs only with guildmates.
As for ZOS... There are hundreds of trash like that guy but the company wont give a damn... They will only claim how "nice and wonderful" this community is... Not saying there are no good guys. Most of the guys are nice but there is a pretty big number of toxic trash that gives the game a bad name.
Some of these stories of toxic players harassing strangers are really mind blowing to me. I’ve put an insane amount of hours into this game and only ever come across one person that I would consider to be full board ‘toxic’, and even then it seemed to be a lower level likely wow refugee.
Players like the one you have discussed should 100% be reported. It is unlikely that your individual report will have any effect on ZOS, but chances are if they are that big of a pos to you they are probably that way to others as well. If ZOS recieves numerous reports of the same player from different players over different incidents, maybe they would look at taking action against them.
Unfortunately, reporting him would have zero effect on him. When you report a player for harassment, ZOS sends you an automated message where they tell you to add him to ignore list and that they will take no action if the harassment does not happen again. They will check your report only if you report him again after some days.
nordmarian wrote: »One more situation that occurred last year for me, was that a friend of mine was looking to buy a DLC Dungeon Achievement run. I was looking in my friend list and tried to put out a group and I was welcomed with answers like, Sorry why would I spend 3 hours in a DLC dungeon when I can earn twice more money in 20 minutes in vCR3? I couldn't pull up a a group so my guess was that either I was sabotaged and had my client stolen either it was the sole true and people are avoiding certain content because it implies too many risks and if one death occurs then you had to start all over again.
I know there are still thousands of people there nice enough who are in dare need for an experienced person. I just wanted to make a point.
As for toxicity, well, a personal example, I don't have a problem raiding with them but some of those players do have a problem raiding with me. That feels personal, cyber bullying, drama and grief making. And this situation should stop. If you met one person whom his or her skills or attitude or idk what other personal problems he or she have have, happens to join your team, or you happen to end in his or her team, play it cool, go raid together and stop dramatizing so much. Leaving the group or kicking out of the team or guild this person will create drama and grief to that person. It happened to me one too many times. And I had enough.
nordmarian wrote: »One more situation that occurred last year for me, was that a friend of mine was looking to buy a DLC Dungeon Achievement run. I was looking in my friend list and tried to put out a group and I was welcomed with answers like, Sorry why would I spend 3 hours in a DLC dungeon when I can earn twice more money in 20 minutes in vCR3? I couldn't pull up a a group so my guess was that either I was sabotaged and had my client stolen either it was the sole true and people are avoiding certain content because it implies too many risks and if one death occurs then you had to start all over again.
nordmarian wrote: »One more situation that occurred last year for me, was that a friend of mine was looking to buy a DLC Dungeon Achievement run. I was looking in my friend list and tried to put out a group and I was welcomed with answers like, Sorry why would I spend 3 hours in a DLC dungeon when I can earn twice more money in 20 minutes in vCR3? I couldn't pull up a a group so my guess was that either I was sabotaged and had my client stolen either it was the sole true and people are avoiding certain content because it implies too many risks and if one death occurs then you had to start all over again.
...And? Again, not devaluing anything you've said in the topic of toxicity. But what point is this meant to prove? People didn't want to do a carry run for a dungeon. That's okay? They don't have to. Maybe it's not lucrative, maybe they don't feel like it. What exactly is the problem?
And aside from the fact that it's a very paranoid assumption to make, what do you mean you 'had your client stolen'? Was your friend paying YOU in the first place??? And if they're a friend, wouldn't they tell you if someone had just offered them the run?
LadyNalcarya wrote: »nordmarian wrote: »One more situation that occurred last year for me, was that a friend of mine was looking to buy a DLC Dungeon Achievement run. I was looking in my friend list and tried to put out a group and I was welcomed with answers like, Sorry why would I spend 3 hours in a DLC dungeon when I can earn twice more money in 20 minutes in vCR3? I couldn't pull up a a group so my guess was that either I was sabotaged and had my client stolen either it was the sole true and people are avoiding certain content because it implies too many risks and if one death occurs then you had to start all over again.
...And? Again, not devaluing anything you've said in the topic of toxicity. But what point is this meant to prove? People didn't want to do a carry run for a dungeon. That's okay? They don't have to. Maybe it's not lucrative, maybe they don't feel like it. What exactly is the problem?
And aside from the fact that it's a very paranoid assumption to make, what do you mean you 'had your client stolen'? Was your friend paying YOU in the first place??? And if they're a friend, wouldn't they tell you if someone had just offered them the run?
Well, there's 2 options:
1) Op has a seriously weird and abusive relationship with his guild
2) Op is not telling the whole story
In both cases, he/she needs a new guild.
LadyNalcarya wrote: »nordmarian wrote: »One more situation that occurred last year for me, was that a friend of mine was looking to buy a DLC Dungeon Achievement run. I was looking in my friend list and tried to put out a group and I was welcomed with answers like, Sorry why would I spend 3 hours in a DLC dungeon when I can earn twice more money in 20 minutes in vCR3? I couldn't pull up a a group so my guess was that either I was sabotaged and had my client stolen either it was the sole true and people are avoiding certain content because it implies too many risks and if one death occurs then you had to start all over again.
...And? Again, not devaluing anything you've said in the topic of toxicity. But what point is this meant to prove? People didn't want to do a carry run for a dungeon. That's okay? They don't have to. Maybe it's not lucrative, maybe they don't feel like it. What exactly is the problem?
And aside from the fact that it's a very paranoid assumption to make, what do you mean you 'had your client stolen'? Was your friend paying YOU in the first place??? And if they're a friend, wouldn't they tell you if someone had just offered them the run?
Well, there's 2 options:
1) Op has a seriously weird and abusive relationship with his guild
2) Op is not telling the whole story
In both cases, he/she needs a new guild.
nordmarian wrote: »@Rasin
Carried or not I was also looking to just do that dungeon, I did cleared it before countless times but I simply wanted to redo it and that chance was taken from me. And this came from people we used to raid and do dungeons together since years.
You are 100% taking your drama and "cyber bullying" way too seriously.
I am sure that you, like many people, have experienced some toxic endgame folks a d had bad experiences. Especially once it comes to money, people can get nasty. But it's not as common of an issue as you think, and I do get the impression you just didn't find the right guild for yourself.
And I do want to say that while standards for endgame raiding can get rather high, and even good players may be replaced with a player just slightly better.... I am more inclined to think that you just simply weren't as good as the groups wanted/needed, than to think that you're always good enough and everybody just has it out for you. The doesn't mean you weren't a good player, it just means that they found someone better.
And it's not fair to accuse groups that do loot/carry runs of abusing new or inexperienced players. ESO is filled to the brim with noob-friendly, casual raiding, raid-teaching guilds; easier to access than ever before through guild finder. I've never heard of a beginner stupid enough to think that they have to pay a group to carry them (as they themselves stand in a corner doing nothing) to raid. Most people understand that that is a very different kind of run, and they know why they're choosing it if they do. A lot of people (for example roleplayers) don't wanna run certain content but want the appearance modifiers -- why not let them have it?
Making all trials the same length sounds awful to me. Why not have variety? People will run what they're in the mood for it what they enjoy running. It's good to have different options, cause people will feel like this or that depending on the day. And aside from enjoying it, I go to vHOF for the Master Architect. :P
Anyway, a lot of your points aren't really facts, just you sharing personal experiences and opinions.
So you were in a paid carry run, but you weren't from the group organizing it.... And you're upset you didn't also get paid (despite not condoning paid carry runs). You tried to get your friend into a raid group 'as a birthday gift', completely ignoring the normal recruitment process and part where you don't get into raid groups just cause you're someone's friend... And were upset that people wanted to charge you for what looked like a carry run. Obviously if someone is like "hey I just wanna come along without being picked from a lineup of applicants", the group is gonna ask you to pay the f up for that carry. I'm sorry but either you both apply for the position and get it, or you don't (and buy yourself in if the group does that kind of stuff). If anybody did that to me, my group or my friends, I would also highly consider cutting them out of my ESO experience. You sound entitled and demanding in these examples.
I wasn't there and I don't know you, but I can tell you from this post I don't get the impression that you were innocent in whatever drama transpired in your guild... And I wouldn't want you in my progress group either. :x
I am just so surprised as so few people are asking themselves the good question : what trust could we bring without knowing a "both sides" story? When someone is being kicked from so many groups, does that mean that a whole community is toxic? Couldn't we think about some other explanations?
some of those kicks were brought by many girls players complains ; in every groups ; many times ; even after being warned