Bayushi I totally agree. I'm forever been driven to frustration by bad symmetry and general misalignment. I could add a dozen more pics from other houses where things don't line up.
Look, it's not a deal breaker. I think it's only very particular people that even notice but you're right, it's worth pointing out for ZOS designers to take note

I think that if you're worried about how many windows, details, whatever there are on the inside vs outside, that you are playing this fantasy game for the wrong reason... For all we know every house interior is a pocket dimension, where anything can be possible.

Raideen wrote: »

AJL32456 wrote: »

I think that if you're worried about how many windows, details, whatever there are on the inside vs outside, that you are playing this fantasy game for the wrong reason... For all we know every house interior is a pocket dimension, where anything can be possible.

Yaaaaaa………….no.

Sorry, but that is an extremely weak excuse in an attempt to cover up their mediocre work ethic.

The issue is not my critiquing of their work, it's their work.

If you don't like it, don't play it... it's quite simple.

I honestly don't understand why you're complaining about some extra space, its more space to create in! So what if they made it symmetrical? Just adopt it into your design, role with it.

Stop complaining, this is all a good thing!

Raideen wrote: »

AJL32456 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

AJL32456 wrote: »

I think that if you're worried about how many windows, details, whatever there are on the inside vs outside, that you are playing this fantasy game for the wrong reason... For all we know every house interior is a pocket dimension, where anything can be possible.

Yaaaaaa………….no.

Sorry, but that is an extremely weak excuse in an attempt to cover up their mediocre work ethic.

The issue is not my critiquing of their work, it's their work.

If you don't like it, don't play it... it's quite simple.

I honestly don't understand why you're complaining about some extra space, its more space to create in! So what if they made it symmetrical? Just adopt it into your design, role with it.

Stop complaining, this is all a good thing!

I am not complaining, seems like you are on a witch hunt against me. I simply pointed out issued with housing, just like the OP did, in fact its the discussion of this thread.

And where did I complain about extra space? I never complained about extra space. I simply showed where the communication between the artists who make the exterior and the artists who make the interior needs some work.

I worked at a design firm in los angeles and gave art direction to my designers. If someone was to bring up the issues I am pointing out in this game to me when I worked at that firm, I would GLADLY take the critique and pass it to my designers to make sure our work was spot on.

This acceptance of mediocrity for items in game that can cost upwards of $170.00 is a complete joke.

I you

I used to get bent out of shape over the sunlight coming through that window in the Psijic villa that has a wall in front of it. Of course it only shone in sometimes, versus the continual aetherial ambient light that exists in Arteum.

I noticed that about the bank in Rimmen since you showed the above images. I think some of the other houses in the area are that way too.

Lol, I suppose what has been seen now cannot be unseen...

What I always objected was poor quality product with a luxury price tag. I am being reminded of that every morning while holding my bottle of Telvanni Bug Musk. Surprisingly, it is cheaper than an average house in ESO. On top of that ESO houses are digital content: no packaging, distribution, transport and storage. Sheer income.

Would you be irritated seeing the sole going loose in your Lacoste shoes? I would.

That's why I get irritated with all these small mishaps. It is not free content. We pay heavy money for that, but get ... badly designed product. Even if we point out the issues, they are not being fixed. What brand does that?

Think: 3.4 oz of Chanel No.5 = 1 average notable in ESO.

Minor symmetrical problems, I can deal with. But when there is actually a balcony that can NOT be accessed? Dangit, ZOS, there is even a little doorway that gives just enough space for a portal to be there. Come on, I want to feel like Scar singing "Be Prepared" in 1994 in this home! At LEAST give us portals we can move around and connect two together so we can actually make something good! For Wratihhome, I think the inaccessible balcony is the real tragedy. Although I would sincerely appreciate if they could fix the minor symmetrical issues too, those stairs do not look great.

idk wrote: »

The best place to post this is the PTS forums as that is where Zos looks most for the timely PTS feedback. Just FYI

Sorry, I have an eye for detail as well. lol

This thread was meant for ZOS and housing community alike. Don't know how others, but I do not visit PTS section of the forum for housing-related topics.

Raideen wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I used to get bent out of shape over the sunlight coming through that window in the Psijic villa that has a wall in front of it. Of course it only shone in sometimes, versus the continual aetherial ambient light that exists in Arteum.

I noticed that about the bank in Rimmen since you showed the above images. I think some of the other houses in the area are that way too.

Lol, I suppose what has been seen now cannot be unseen...

And not only can it not be unseen, but you will see more...much much more, and it will make you sad.

For some fun, go study the front of the Alinor Townhome and how it relates to the interior bottom and top floor.

If you have the Hall of the Lunar Champion unlocked and have the right door/exterior unlocked. Go study the right side and note how the lake/pond wraps around. Now exit the Hall of Lunar Champion into the city and take note. I suppose the argument that can be made there is that perhaps you are teleporting through a portal to another place...but it seems like a door to me.

I first noticed the issues with Domus Phrasticus last year, but then started noticing more and more.

I initially did not have too many issues with it. I mean the core game was made some time ago, and budgets being budgets and all and blah blah blah, I kinda gave it a pass.

But Summerset came out. Same issues.
Elseweyr came out. Same issues.

So it was not an isolated incident but something that the art director has either not noticed (nor any of the artists), or has been looked over intentionally. Sadly the lack of attention to detail persists today.

I had to come up with a complex explanation for the Alinor Crest Townhouse layout to prevent my head from exploding. I LOVE the house, aside from some things that don’t seem to fit... I think I’ll try not to look too closely from the outside lest it topple my mental construction!

AJL32456 wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

AJL32456 wrote: »

I think that if you're worried about how many windows, details, whatever there are on the inside vs outside, that you are playing this fantasy game for the wrong reason... For all we know every house interior is a pocket dimension, where anything can be possible.

Yaaaaaa………….no.

Sorry, but that is an extremely weak excuse in an attempt to cover up their mediocre work ethic.

The issue is not my critiquing of their work, it's their work.

If you don't like it, don't play it... it's quite simple.

I honestly don't understand why you're complaining about some extra space, its more space to create in! So what if they made it symmetrical? Just adopt it into your design, role with it.

Stop complaining, this is all a good thing!

You clearly have low standards.

You know, some people actually care about the details....because in many cases they are paying for them. Either in real money, or in time. Both of which are important.

ZoS need to pay attention to these details. Having a window on the outside, for example, that somehow has magically disappeared when I go inside the house is not permissible. I am not a child. I'm not going to pretend such a simple mistake isn't there. It's okay to have standards, and it's okay to want houses to not have sloppy errors.

I love the designers....but please, pay more attention to the details. We spend money on this...whether it on the house itself, or on the furnishings that go inside. We're willing to spend time and money on it, it's not too much to ask the devs do the same.

Thank you.

oh well, it'll never be fixed. That's their stance and always will be, assets are final.

LadyAstrum wrote: »

AJL32456 wrote: »

If you don't like it, don't play it... it's quite simple.

I honestly don't understand why you're complaining about some extra space, its more space to create in! So what if they made it symmetrical? Just adopt it into your design, role with it.

Stop complaining, this is all a good thing!

You clearly have low standards.

You know, some people actually care about the details....because in many cases they are paying for them. Either in real money, or in time. Both of which are important.

ZoS need to pay attention to these details. Having a window on the outside, for example, that somehow has magically disappeared when I go inside the house is not permissible. I am not a child. I'm not going to pretend such a simple mistake isn't there. It's okay to have standards, and it's okay to want houses to not have sloppy errors.

I love the designers....but please, pay more attention to the details. We spend money on this...whether it on the house itself, or on the furnishings that go inside. We're willing to spend time and money on it, it's not too much to ask the devs do the same.

Thank you.

@Raideen, if you think I'm on a "witch hunt" against you, I'm not, up until the one time I quoted you I hadn't mentioned you at all as originally I was just giving my response to a handful of the points brought up in this forum thread.

I am a (and I work with) video and projection designer here in the UK, so believe me, I know some of the problems that the Zenimax designers, programmers and countless other roles of employees face. The main ones being time and budgets.
To make certain deadlines, we have to make cuts where we don't want to, and come up with creative solutions as a team to do our best to produce a product that lots of people can enjoy, engage with and talk about with their peers.

Architecturally, symmetry is overrated. I think things are more interesting if they aren't aligned or symmetrical, it opens you up to creating some truly iconic and whacky creations. It also makes things seem more natural, more human (or elven). People make mistakes, and if it is then that's something they need to solve. If it was deliberate, then well they have a reason for it and it will stay that way. In some cases where I have worked on location, windows have been bricked up on the inside, and there have been curtains covering a wall with no window. It is a curious quirk at first, but these are things you come to forgive over time.

With each update, the developers have to look at the game as a whole when adding new areas, quests, houses, NPCs, clothing, crafting etc. as it all effects each other. If the interior is bigger than the exterior, it is much harder to reduce the size after people have bought it and decorated it in live realm, than it would have been in closed testing, and the people who signed off on these things believe that the ESO community will still be impressed and forgiving.
This is why I am more forgiving of some of these adjustments they have had to make in game. @LadyAstrum it is not because I have low standards (if you knew me you'd see I have high standards when it comes to my work), I just think there are other things that maybe I should be complaining about, such as the overpricing of houses and furniture, or the fact that more houses and furniture should have more options for purchase than just crowns.

The community can only "push" so far... Just remember it's a two way street. You can comment and suggest changes, but Zenimax are the developers, they can only deliver edits when there's time and budget allows, and that may not be in the next week, or next month, it could be a couple of years from now, but something may be being done about it. Their main focus currently, is the next update: Scalebreaker, and getting that content ready for launch next month.

Going back to the main issue of this post. Wraithhome is still in PTS. It is a complex build compared to the majority of other houses. Any edits and adjustments you've highlighted, they could have seen and they could have already sorted, could they not?

If a texture is not lined up properly or you come across a bug, send in a report and Zenimax will try and rectify it. Just because you don't get an immediate response doesn't mean they don't care, or haven't read it. For most of the issues this community has mentioned it seems down to personal preference. Rather than seeing a red flag, ask yourself: How can I incorporate this into my design?

All in all, ESO is a fantasy game, and I think with that in mind, the community should be prepared to be more forgiving when the inside features don't match the outside features of a house. Imagination is a powerful tool, especially in a fantasy world.

I work in UK, I won't comment on "pushing papers" and horrid customer service because I can't do it without insulting anyone. I can't say I keep calm and carry on. I find the acceptance of low standards unbearable.

Wraithhome is paid content (so is any notable, crown-only house) with price which exceeds most of single player games on the date of release: recall prices of Witcher 3, Divinity II: Original Sin, or Cyberpunk. You won't convince me that the price tag is justified here. Two notables would buy me Razer Huntsman Elite... (In fact, I may skip buying a couple of houses and get some new peripherials, so the money goes to the company which actually worked hard to make their product amazing) I realise it is all down to "how many people are going to purchase it", but imho, the lower the quality of the house, the less. On top of that, most of the houses are built with assets which are already in game, they are not made from scratch, we pretty much pay for putting these assets together. Wraithhome looks familiar because you've seen it in Vaults of Madness and Crypt of Hearts.

If it comes to symmetry - would you like the tiles in your bathroom "just slightly off". Really? I doubt anybody wants everything being symmetrical, but for the goodness sake, where it matters, it matters. Don't get me wrong, I cherish chaos in my builds, but I can not imagine the courtyard in Louvre being built slightly off because "symmetry is overrated".