Pet Sorcs got gutted ...

Ingel_Riday · September 2019

@Cadbury: I wanted to believe it, too... but how? You have no execute. You have no burst. Searing Strike and fiery breath are both getting hosed and blockade is now going to be both way too expensive and much less effective. Heck, volatile armor's AOE does almost as much damage as your standard class dot, now. Probably because they forgot to nerf it... for now. Wait until update 25.

You're a dot-based dps spec in a land that hates dots. It's over until they make our class's focus something else. Until then, I'm going to main a stamina nightblade. *sigh* At least it's fun, really. Ambushing fools and slashing at them with dual blades. Anyway, sorry pet sorcerers. No idea what is going on with balancing in this game. None at all.

Tia413 · September 2019

I imagine I will get torn to shreds for what I am about to say, but I am tired of holding it in any longer.

I love this game and because of that I have supported it by buying their chapters, and some DLC content, crowns and even continued to sub when others called for a "strike" on the subs.
But I really don't know how much more of this I can take.

I began playing this game a bit before One Tam hit. I loved it because I could play a class any way I so chose to. I didn't need to play the meta. I tried different skills until I found what worked for me.
I am a disabled person who is homebound. Gaming is something that I enjoy doing. It passes time.
I do have my limitations though (because of my disabilities). I don't use back bar. And most of the times I even forget to use my Ultimate. So needless to say, I am a PvE only player. And I have done very few Dungeons because I don't feel I have much to offer a group and because I don't feel I should be flamed for my playing style. I also wear what gear I feel suits my toon and playstyle , which is Tinkerer's and Necro. And I am/was happy.

I am also on the bandwagon of those who hate the fact of pets interferring with LoS while at a crafting station or banker, etc. I used to use the Matriarch and the Clannfear, but I dropped the Matriarch a while back in exchange for LL. Now I find myself as 1 of those people cussing behind the screen at those who have the Matriarch out at such places. But I was still happy at this point.

With the last bunch of changes that came through I had to change the morphs on 2 skills that I do use, to the other morphs.
And make some minor adjustments here and there. I survived that one. Not Complaining.

The 2 Morphs I changed were : Patch 5.1.5 (Scalebreaker) Released on August 9 - Entropy and Degeneration no longer heal over time. So I swapped from Degen to Structured. And I believe the other was to Reach. Ok, I apdapted.

I not only have a MagSorc, but a MagPlar and a MagDen. If this next patch goes live, it is gonna hit me hard. ( I won't post up the Warden and Templar changes on here because this is a post about Sorcs. And I respect @SirAndy )

As it stands now in the latest PTS Patch Notes 5.2.0.....

1)Mages Guild
Entropy:
This ability and the Structured Entropy morph no longer grant Major Sorcery.
Decreased the damage dealt of all 3 versions of this ability by 50%.
Reduced the base cost of these abilities to 2700, down from 2970.
Degeneration (morph): This morph no longer grants Magicka back when hitting an enemy affected by the Damage over Time, but continues to grant Major Sorcery for its original duration.

2)Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.

3)Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%.

4)Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph):
This morph’s damage now scales off your Max Stamina, rather than Magicka. WTF
Decreased the cost of the special activate to 4500, down from 4808.
The Area of Effect attack now deals the same damage as the basic attack, but hits in a 6 meter radius, up from 5 meters.
Fixed an issue where the AoE attack would cause the Clannfear to re-evaluate its purpose in life for 1 second after casting, lowering its potential DPS.

5)Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

If this goes Live all 5 of the Skills I use get hit.. And I will not rebuild her again. I will not adapt again. Nope. Nada. Not doing it. I have done it enough times already. But I will adapt....with my wallet. I don't have to craft! I don't have to farm!

I am beginning to feel like the game is becoming more PvP focused as of lately. But PvP is not the only part of this game that there is. There is also PvE. And just as many people PvE as they do PvP. Although I truly believe there is more PvEers than there is PvPers.
I will never understand why Zos didn't make 2 servers in the first place. 1 for PvE. 1 for PvP. Then Us PvEers wouldn't have to pay the price for what PvPers want.

And ofc there is all these changes to not just Sorcs, but to all classes that are occurring way too fast. Which started with Scalebreaker. Then some abilities got hit again in 5.1.7 on August 23. And now more coming up soon.

I am beyond frustratation. I am now irritated.

D0PAMINE · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

I imagine I will get torn to shreds for what I am about to say, but I am tired of holding it in any longer.

I love this game and because of that I have supported it by buying their chapters, and some DLC content, crowns and even continued to sub when others called for a "strike" on the subs.
But I really don't know how much more of this I can take.

I began playing this game a bit before One Tam hit. I loved it because I could play a class any way I so chose to. I didn't need to play the meta. I tried different skills until I found what worked for me.
I am a disabled person who is homebound. Gaming is something that I enjoy doing. It passes time.
I do have my limitations though (because of my disabilities). I don't use back bar. And most of the times I even forget to use my Ultimate. So needless to say, I am a PvE only player. And I have done very few Dungeons because I don't feel I have much to offer a group and because I don't feel I should be flamed for my playing style. I also wear what gear I feel suits my toon and playstyle , which is Tinkerer's and Necro. And I am/was happy.

I am also on the bandwagon of those who hate the fact of pets interferring with LoS while at a crafting station or banker, etc. I used to use the Matriarch and the Clannfear, but I dropped the Matriarch a while back in exchange for LL. Now I find myself as 1 of those people cussing behind the screen at those who have the Matriarch out at such places. But I was still happy at this point.

With the last bunch of changes that came through I had to change the morphs on 2 skills that I do use, to the other morphs.
And make some minor adjustments here and there. I survived that one. Not Complaining.

The 2 Morphs I changed were : Patch 5.1.5 (Scalebreaker) Released on August 9 - Entropy and Degeneration no longer heal over time. So I swapped from Degen to Structured. And I believe the other was to Reach. Ok, I apdapted.

I not only have a MagSorc, but a MagPlar and a MagDen. If this next patch goes live, it is gonna hit me hard. ( I won't post up the Warden and Templar changes on here because this is a post about Sorcs. And I respect @SirAndy )

As it stands now in the latest PTS Patch Notes 5.2.0.....

1)Mages Guild
Entropy:
This ability and the Structured Entropy morph no longer grant Major Sorcery.
Decreased the damage dealt of all 3 versions of this ability by 50%.
Reduced the base cost of these abilities to 2700, down from 2970.
Degeneration (morph): This morph no longer grants Magicka back when hitting an enemy affected by the Damage over Time, but continues to grant Major Sorcery for its original duration.

2)Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.

3)Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%.

4)Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph):
This morph’s damage now scales off your Max Stamina, rather than Magicka. WTF
Decreased the cost of the special activate to 4500, down from 4808.
The Area of Effect attack now deals the same damage as the basic attack, but hits in a 6 meter radius, up from 5 meters.
Fixed an issue where the AoE attack would cause the Clannfear to re-evaluate its purpose in life for 1 second after casting, lowering its potential DPS.

5)Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

If this goes Live all 5 of the Skills I use get hit.. And I will not rebuild her again. I will not adapt again. Nope. Nada. Not doing it. I have done it enough times already. But I will adapt....with my wallet. I don't have to craft! I don't have to farm!

I am beginning to feel like the game is becoming more PvP focused as of lately. But PvP is not the only part of this game that there is. There is also PvE. And just as many people PvE as they do PvP. Although I truly believe there is more PvEers than there is PvPers.
I will never understand why Zos didn't make 2 servers in the first place. 1 for PvE. 1 for PvP. Then Us PvEers wouldn't have to pay the price for what PvPers want.

And ofc there is all these changes to not just Sorcs, but to all classes that are occurring way too fast. Which started with Scalebreaker. Then some abilities got hit again in 5.1.7 on August 23. And now more coming up soon.

I am beyond frustratation. I am now irritated.

I play with a few people who are disabled. I understand how limiting things can be. If you're on PCNA and need to farm new gear I can help with that, or if you want to get some dungeons cleared you can run with us.

Tia413 · September 2019

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I play with a few people who are disabled. I understand how limiting things can be. If you're on PCNA and need to farm new gear I can help with that, or if you want to get some dungeons cleared you can run with us.

Awesome , Thank You so much. There are still some people in this world who do still care and have a heart.

And yes I am on PC/NA.
My IGN is the same as on here, feel free to send me a friends invite, if you want to.

D0PAMINE · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I play with a few people who are disabled. I understand how limiting things can be. If you're on PCNA and need to farm new gear I can help with that, or if you want to get some dungeons cleared you can run with us.

Awesome , Thank You so much. There are still some people in this world who do still care and have a heart.
And yes I am on PC/NA.
My IGN is the same as on here, feel free to send me a friends invite, if you want to.

I'll send a friend req next time im on

Raideen · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

And I have done very few Dungeons because I don't feel I have much to offer a group and because I don't feel I should be flamed for my playing style. I also wear what gear I feel suits my toon and playstyle , which is Tinkerer's and Necro. And I am/was happy.

I agree with your entire post (and am furious that Entropy is losing Major Sorcery...this will kill my templar build UGGG)

Anyway, the reason I am quoting a snippet of your post is because it really pains me to see you not being able to play the game in a fuller manner in regards to consuming content. I am a designer by trade and so I pick everything apart that I encounter that is of importance to me, and games are definitely not excluded.

I have hated the fact since I started running dungeons when I first started the game that the parties are 4 people, not 5 like many other MMORPG's. I can not tell you how many times I was kicked because I was not pulling my 50% weight when I first started. Elitism out the wazzoo. This is bad design. It empowers jerks and allows bullies to try and ruin others gameplay. I would much rather see a 5 person group with 3 dps that allow for more forgiveness in the DPS ability to deal damage. For one. It helps to calm some elitist attitudes but more importantly it allows folks like yourself who may not have the ability to squeeze out a hard DPSing rotation to consume content of the game that you pay for. I am truly sorry that the folks that designed this game did not have the forethought to consider the ramifications of the 4 man group. I am not an amazing DPS (I can't stand animation cancelling...another huge fail on their part) or I would gladly carry your dps in dungeons. NOW...all that being said, IMO I would que up, tell folks that you are not the best at DPS and if they are cool then run and make some friends and have fun. If they are elitist and kick you, well then you did not want to be in that group in the first place. There is a lot of cool stuff to see in dungeons.

I hate the back bar myself. If it were not for the fact that this game is on console and PC (the reason why the back bar exists..controller button count), the rotations could be made more fluid and frankly more fun.

I don't mean to derail this thread or your post, it just bothered me to read that you hold yourself back from doing dungeons (our of respect for others, which is quite noble).

Somber97866 · September 2019

I feel the OP in this. I quit playing Magsorc cause every patch was a nerf contest. But I will say all toons are being nerfed hard and it's all bc of bad management on the Dev's part.
All the ppl who's comments are underlying insults and have dripping sarcasm towards the op bc he cares about his build are small minded and should be ashamed of being pathetic

Lasinagol · September 2019

Didn't petsorc get gutted when Overload lost the third bar utility?

Aerenel · September 2019

I dont get the QQ. You do realize petsorcs are the highest performing DPS spec on PTS? Compared to other classes, sorc escaped the Dragonhold nerf hammer with most of our abilities intact.

Squidgaurd · September 2019

GOOD it was a litteral carry class dont fool yourself everyone knew it was a hard carry.

Bigevilpeter · September 2019

everything got nerfed, so pet sorcs are not special

Elsonso · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

1)Mages Guild
Entropy:
This ability and the Structured Entropy morph no longer grant Major Sorcery.
Decreased the damage dealt of all 3 versions of this ability by 50%.
Reduced the base cost of these abilities to 2700, down from 2970.
Degeneration (morph): This morph no longer grants Magicka back when hitting an enemy affected by the Damage over Time, but continues to grant Major Sorcery for its original duration.

2)Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.

3)Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%.

4)Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph):
This morph’s damage now scales off your Max Stamina, rather than Magicka. WTF
Decreased the cost of the special activate to 4500, down from 4808.
The Area of Effect attack now deals the same damage as the basic attack, but hits in a 6 meter radius, up from 5 meters.
Fixed an issue where the AoE attack would cause the Clannfear to re-evaluate its purpose in life for 1 second after casting, lowering its potential DPS.

5)Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

If this goes Live all 5 of the Skills I use get hit.. And I will not rebuild her again. I will not adapt again. Nope. Nada. Not doing it. I have done it enough times already. But I will adapt....with my wallet. I don't have to craft! I don't have to farm!

@Tia413 ... are you dying a lot in your current play? Are you having issues with sustain? What is it about your current build on the Live server that makes you feel that you are right at the edge? Do you play on PTS and can verify your decision? As a primarily PVE player, the only thing I expect to see from the changes this update will be an increased time to kill. I use TTK rather than DPS because I am lazy. Everyone dies by my hand, so the only thing I really notice is how long it takes.

Kel · September 2019

Everyone got gutted.

Fixed that for you.

Minyassa · September 2019

I had just finished getting my gear together and Transmuted and my skills unlocked and organized and everything prepared, and had just tried normal Maelstrom Arena for the first time in preparation for really getting down to trying to get weapons I need from vMA.

Now it looks like all that time and effort and gold was completely wasted and I will not be able to do vMA after all. I have arthritis and carpal tunnel, and I *needed* the one-bar, simple build to keep my hands from just giving out on me after a million wipes. Some of us need an extra edge just to get where other people manage to get without any effort. So thanks ever so much ZOS for taking away my wheelchair ramp.

Lylith · September 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

everything got nerfed, so pet sorcs are not special

anyone else lose a third of their skill slots and still have to double bar skills?

no?

didn't think so.

have a nice day.

Tia413 · September 2019

Minyassa wrote: »

I had just finished getting my gear together and Transmuted and my skills unlocked and organized and everything prepared, and had just tried normal Maelstrom Arena for the first time in preparation for really getting down to trying to get weapons I need from vMA.

Now it looks like all that time and effort and gold was completely wasted and I will not be able to do vMA after all. I have arthritis and carpal tunnel, and I *needed* the one-bar, simple build to keep my hands from just giving out on me after a million wipes. Some of us need an extra edge just to get where other people manage to get without any effort. So thanks ever so much ZOS for taking away my wheelchair ramp.

Well Said @Minyassa Even people with disabilities and health issues play games too. But some just don't get it nor care. Saddening

lordrichter wrote: »

@Tia413 ... are you dying a lot in your current play? Are you having issues with sustain? What is it about your current build on the Live server that makes you feel that you are right at the edge? Do you play on PTS and can verify your decision? As a primarily PVE player, the only thing I expect to see from the changes this update will be an increased time to kill. I use TTK rather than DPS because I am lazy. Everyone dies by my hand, so the only thing I really notice is how long it takes.

@lordrichter .... I didn't expect this from you. I have always respected you. But it almost seems like you are attacking me now because of what I said.

No, I haven't died very much.But I can also admit I got saved quite a few times from dying thanks to someone else coming along at just the right time and helping to kill the mob or boss or throwing a heal on me.
But with hits like we are about to experience to skills for all classes, and the ones we have already experienced to sorcs, I am just tired of trying to find new ways to continue playing my sorc and buying more gear that I shouldn't have needed. I find a build I like then they nerf it into oblivion. I adapt. I re-build again. Then it gets messed with. It just becomes tiresome after some time.

My current build on Live is fine. I love the way she is built right now. I already stated this in my first post.
But every one of the skills I use currently will be getting hit if what is in those patch notes go live. Then yes, I will probably die more than I do now.

I have tried using the Familiar. I died more when I used it then I do with the clannfear. And if those patch notes go live...there goes my Clannfear because I only have a bit over 9k stamina.
Besides, Sorc pets have always been mag based. And stamsorcs rarely if ever, use a pet. So why do they need to be changed to stam based?

And as @Minyassa said... it's not fun playing with arthritis, or any other disability for that matter. But there are some of us who can handle the pain more than others. There are some of us who don't want to just sit around watching TV all day. There are some of us who need games to help pass the time. And there are some of us who can't play like Elitist do.

Some of us can't play with both bars. For our own reasons. It shouldn't mean we can't play the game at all or have to put our hands or wrists through misery to do so. And we sure can't tell a mob or boss to hold on for 5-10 minutes while we let our hands or wrists rest so we can continue the fight. LoL

Just because we are disabled doesn't mean we have to quit trying to live life like normal people. We just have to do it in a different way then normal people do.
Enough said.

@SirAndy Sorry if this has derailed your thread. I didn't mean for it to.

Aurie · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

I imagine I will get torn to shreds for what I am about to say, but I am tired of holding it in any longer.

I love this game and because of that I have supported it by buying their chapters, and some DLC content, crowns and even continued to sub when others called for a "strike" on the subs.
But I really don't know how much more of this I can take.

I began playing this game a bit before One Tam hit. I loved it because I could play a class any way I so chose to. I didn't need to play the meta. I tried different skills until I found what worked for me.
I am a disabled person who is homebound. Gaming is something that I enjoy doing. It passes time.
I do have my limitations though (because of my disabilities). I don't use back bar. And most of the times I even forget to use my Ultimate. So needless to say, I am a PvE only player. And I have done very few Dungeons because I don't feel I have much to offer a group and because I don't feel I should be flamed for my playing style. I also wear what gear I feel suits my toon and playstyle , which is Tinkerer's and Necro. And I am/was happy.

I am also on the bandwagon of those who hate the fact of pets interferring with LoS while at a crafting station or banker, etc. I used to use the Matriarch and the Clannfear, but I dropped the Matriarch a while back in exchange for LL. Now I find myself as 1 of those people cussing behind the screen at those who have the Matriarch out at such places. But I was still happy at this point.

With the last bunch of changes that came through I had to change the morphs on 2 skills that I do use, to the other morphs.
And make some minor adjustments here and there. I survived that one. Not Complaining.

The 2 Morphs I changed were : Patch 5.1.5 (Scalebreaker) Released on August 9 - Entropy and Degeneration no longer heal over time. So I swapped from Degen to Structured. And I believe the other was to Reach. Ok, I apdapted.

I not only have a MagSorc, but a MagPlar and a MagDen. If this next patch goes live, it is gonna hit me hard. ( I won't post up the Warden and Templar changes on here because this is a post about Sorcs. And I respect @SirAndy )

As it stands now in the latest PTS Patch Notes 5.2.0.....

1)Mages Guild
Entropy:
This ability and the Structured Entropy morph no longer grant Major Sorcery.
Decreased the damage dealt of all 3 versions of this ability by 50%.
Reduced the base cost of these abilities to 2700, down from 2970.
Degeneration (morph): This morph no longer grants Magicka back when hitting an enemy affected by the Damage over Time, but continues to grant Major Sorcery for its original duration.

2)Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.

3)Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%.

4)Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph):
This morph’s damage now scales off your Max Stamina, rather than Magicka. WTF
Decreased the cost of the special activate to 4500, down from 4808.
The Area of Effect attack now deals the same damage as the basic attack, but hits in a 6 meter radius, up from 5 meters.
Fixed an issue where the AoE attack would cause the Clannfear to re-evaluate its purpose in life for 1 second after casting, lowering its potential DPS.

5)Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

If this goes Live all 5 of the Skills I use get hit.. And I will not rebuild her again. I will not adapt again. Nope. Nada. Not doing it. I have done it enough times already. But I will adapt....with my wallet. I don't have to craft! I don't have to farm!

I am beginning to feel like the game is becoming more PvP focused as of lately. But PvP is not the only part of this game that there is. There is also PvE. And just as many people PvE as they do PvP. Although I truly believe there is more PvEers than there is PvPers.
I will never understand why Zos didn't make 2 servers in the first place. 1 for PvE. 1 for PvP. Then Us PvEers wouldn't have to pay the price for what PvPers want.

And ofc there is all these changes to not just Sorcs, but to all classes that are occurring way too fast. Which started with Scalebreaker. Then some abilities got hit again in 5.1.7 on August 23. And now more coming up soon.

I am beyond frustratation. I am now irritated.

Why for a minute do you think you will be torn to shreds?

So very many of us agree totally with everything you have said.

I hate back bar with a vengeance, because I am not dexterous enough to manage the swap (plus even remembering what is on my back bar) most of the time. So with my Magsorc I run mainly one bar, with Clannfear for my heal. And I invariably forget to use ultimate too.

I never join groups because my DPS is pretty mediocre, and also I tend to get lost in dungeons if the group are speeding ahead. I'm playing about with my rotation and my DPS is increasing....but I don't feel I will ever be in a position to be able to offer a group anything much, given that most people are so much quicker and have so much more DPS.

So I solo 100% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love soloing. I can get through public dungeons, dolmens and the very occasional WB. But completing anything else more difficult is not going to happen.

And your comments about PvP focus.....you have only to read the sheer number of posts about this to realise just how much PvE'ers resent the way ZOS handle PvE/PvP balance. That is the only area in which you may be torn to shreds, as many PvP'ers get triggered by us PvE'ers daring to 'blame' them for nerfs that affect us so badly. But remember that we stand by you, as we feel exactly the same.

So...I am not disabled, unless you call age a disability (I'm 72), which it most certainly is in its own way. But I have all the problems you have, and so I really know where you are coming from.

One thing I have found recently is, having rolled a Magplar, they are much easier to play than Magsorcs and their DPS seems to be a lot better for the moment. So the Magplar is now being leveled (with one bar!), and gaming life is fun again for a while. Until ZOS bring out yet another round of nerfs in the next update....and then it all degenerates again.

I honestly don't know how much longer the new combat team imagine they can keep this constant round of yo-yoing buff/nerf (mostly nerf) rubbish up. With a very few exceptions they are wrecking everyone's enjoyment of what should be a fantastic game. There is only so long that the player base will tolerate it, and I see the signs of that coming in the near future.

Like you, I too love thie game. However, one thing that ZOS would do well not to dismiss is that although there is currently a hiatus of good MMOs around, there are very promising ones in development. They don't have that long to change their attitude towards their own player base before the new MMOs are here, and we all up sticks and go.

Tia413 · September 2019

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Why for a minute do you think you will be torn to shreds?
It's happened to me before on here in the past. That's why if you look at the date that I actually joined the forums and the stars I have by my name , you can clearly see I don't speak much on here. I played the game for some time before I ever joined the forums.

So very many of us agree totally with everything you have said.

I hate back bar with a vengeance, because I am not dexterous enough to manage the swap (plus even remembering what is on my back bar) most of the time. So with my Magsorc I run mainly one bar, with Clannfear for my heal. And I invariably forget to use ultimate too.

I never join groups because my DPS is pretty mediocre, and also I tend to get lost in dungeons if the group are speeding ahead. I'm playing about with my rotation and my DPS is increasing....but I don't feel I will ever be in a position to be able to offer a group anything much, given that most people are so much quicker and have so much more DPS.

So I solo 100% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love soloing. I can get through public dungeons, dolmens and the very occasional WB. But completing anything else more difficult is not going to happen.
I can understand and relate to everything you said .

And your comments about PvP focus.....you have only to read the sheer number of posts about this to realise just how much PvE'ers resent the way ZOS handle PvE/PvP balance. That is the only area in which you may be torn to shreds, as many PvP'ers get triggered by us PvE'ers daring to 'blame' them for nerfs that affect us so badly. But remember that we stand by you, as we feel exactly the same.
I wasn't pointing fingers at the PvPers. It's Zos's fault for not splitting us up on to 2 different servers in the first place. If they had done just that then there would be less problems with the balancing. The Company that still runs my very first MMORPG (from 2009) found out the hard way that you can't mix PvP and PvE on the same server. They tried it on 1 game and found out it was a huge mistake. They wound up having to make a replica of the same game but it was PvP based.

So...I am not disabled, unless you call age a disability (I'm 72), which it most certainly is in its own way. But I have all the problems you have, and so I really know where you are coming from.
I am 57. Most of my disabilites came from a man's hands and feet. I also have dealt with some major health issues and the loss of an 18 year old son. I don't say that because I want sympathy either. Because I don't. I say it because I am a fighter. And A survivor. And I am proud of myself for still being here. Thank You for understanding

One thing I have found recently is, having rolled a Magplar, they are much easier to play than Magsorcs and their DPS seems to be a lot better for the moment. So the Magplar is now being leveled (with one bar!), and gaming life is fun again for a while. Until ZOS bring out yet another round of nerfs in the next update....and then it all degenerates again
. I have a Magplar also. And a MagDen. But My Sorc is and always has been my main. So right now I am enjoying her for as long as I can. Although all 3 are under the knife if what is in those patch notes goes live.

I honestly don't know how much longer the new combat team imagine they can keep this constant round of yo-yoing buff/nerf (mostly nerf) rubbish up. With a very few exceptions they are wrecking everyone's enjoyment of what should be a fantastic game. There is only so long that the player base will tolerate it, and I see the signs of that coming in the near future.
I totally agree.

Like you, I too love thie game. However, one thing that ZOS would do well not to dismiss is that although there is currently a hiatus of good MMOs around, there are very promising ones in development. They don't have that long to change their attitude towards their own player base before the new MMOs are here, and we all up sticks and go.

SirAndy · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

@SirAndy Sorry if this has derailed your thread. I didn't mean for it to.

@Tia413

No worries ...

MartiniDaniels · September 2019

So with dots removed changed to utility skills, seems like bird is back! Idk, what is worse empty rosters because magsorcs mains are good half of server population or 4+ birds in stack.. but okay, I guess it's better to have raid with birds then that don't have raids at all

Elsonso · September 2019

Tia413 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

@Tia413 ... are you dying a lot in your current play? Are you having issues with sustain? What is it about your current build on the Live server that makes you feel that you are right at the edge? Do you play on PTS and can verify your decision? As a primarily PVE player, the only thing I expect to see from the changes this update will be an increased time to kill. I use TTK rather than DPS because I am lazy. Everyone dies by my hand, so the only thing I really notice is how long it takes.

@lordrichter .... I didn't expect this from you. I have always respected you. But it almost seems like you are attacking me now because of what I said.

No, I haven't died very much.But I can also admit I got saved quite a few times from dying thanks to someone else coming along at just the right time and helping to kill the mob or boss or throwing a heal on me.
But with hits like we are about to experience to skills for all classes, and the ones we have already experienced to sorcs, I am just tired of trying to find new ways to continue playing my sorc and buying more gear that I shouldn't have needed. I find a build I like then they nerf it into oblivion. I adapt. I re-build again. Then it gets messed with. It just becomes tiresome after some time.

Huh. No, I was in a hurry when I wrote that, so maybe that is what you are sensing. I was trying to understand if you were already struggling with the one bar situation.

As I said, my limited experience on PTS is showing in increased Time To Kill, which is due to lower DPS. So far, everything I have tried (limited, mind you) has died before I have. I always go into these patches figuring that the forum is taking things out of proportion, so I like to see for myself. It is frequent that I don't have insurmountable problems with the update.

My point is that things might not be as bad as you fear they will be.

Tia413 · September 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

Huh. No, I was in a hurry when I wrote that, so maybe that is what you are sensing. I was trying to understand if you were already struggling with the one bar situation.

Ah ok. I understand now, Thank you for explaining

As I said, my limited experience on PTS is showing in increased Time To Kill, which is due to lower DPS. So far, everything I have tried (limited, mind you) has died before I have. I always go into these patches figuring that the forum is taking things out of proportion, so I like to see for myself. It is frequent that I don't have insurmountable problems with the update.

My point is that things might not be as bad as you fear they will be.

I can't test for myself because I am on 50GB per month Satellite Internet. And since there is 2 people who have to share that 50 GB... well I know you can see where I am going with this.
But I do already have some problems playing the game as it is now. Some of the problems stem from my disabilities or limitations. Some stem from the limited amount of skills I can use, and that list seems to keep getting smaller. At least on my sorc it is.

I keep trying to hang on because I love this game so much. But I really don't know how much longer I can last.
As I said in another post in this thread.....It isn't like we can tell the mob or boss to hold on for 5-10 minutes while people like myself rest our fingers, rest our wrists, or even get up to get circulation in the legs flowing again. So longer fights are not something I am looking forward to.
I tend to start hurting after sitting for too long. So I get up about every 20-30 minutes and take a short stroll around the room, look out the window and then back to playing. I am not away from the game even long enough for the game to log me off.

Yes we can log out or find a safe place to stand ingame. But truthfully even finding a safe place to stand ingame isn't "safe".
I have had mobs drug right up to me by another player (obviously looking for assistance with killing it or for me to kill it for them) while standing in what should have been a safe spot. LoL

And what about the Clannfear? How could a magsorc still use it when it's damage will be based off of stamina? With the loss to dps I can't afford to even put 1 point in stamina.

I am just trying to find a balance for me so I can continue to keep playing a game and the classes that I love. And my magsorc is... well she is my baby. My pride and joy. My Master Crafter. My 1st toon ever made on here. I can't just turn my back on her. I hope that makes sense.

Agenericname · September 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

Tia413 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

@Tia413 ... are you dying a lot in your current play? Are you having issues with sustain? What is it about your current build on the Live server that makes you feel that you are right at the edge? Do you play on PTS and can verify your decision? As a primarily PVE player, the only thing I expect to see from the changes this update will be an increased time to kill. I use TTK rather than DPS because I am lazy. Everyone dies by my hand, so the only thing I really notice is how long it takes.

@lordrichter .... I didn't expect this from you. I have always respected you. But it almost seems like you are attacking me now because of what I said.

No, I haven't died very much.But I can also admit I got saved quite a few times from dying thanks to someone else coming along at just the right time and helping to kill the mob or boss or throwing a heal on me.
But with hits like we are about to experience to skills for all classes, and the ones we have already experienced to sorcs, I am just tired of trying to find new ways to continue playing my sorc and buying more gear that I shouldn't have needed. I find a build I like then they nerf it into oblivion. I adapt. I re-build again. Then it gets messed with. It just becomes tiresome after some time.

Huh. No, I was in a hurry when I wrote that, so maybe that is what you are sensing. I was trying to understand if you were already struggling with the one bar situation.

As I said, my limited experience on PTS is showing in increased Time To Kill, which is due to lower DPS. So far, everything I have tried (limited, mind you) has died before I have. I always go into these patches figuring that the forum is taking things out of proportion, so I like to see for myself. It is frequent that I don't have insurmountable problems with the update.

My point is that things might not be as bad as you fear they will be.

That's sort of the issue with the PTS. The PTS is mostly populated by more serious players while it is played by more casual players.

I went to test my characters. I don't necessarily think that it's the end of the world. What isn't accounted for in the PTS however is how groups, such as dungeon finder groups, will react. Given that the majority of the people there are more serious it doesn't replicate a PUG on live.

My guess is, if the changes go live as is, PUGs will be even less friendly at some levels. For normals it may not matter. For some vets it will. For vet DLCs it probably will be much less friendly.

In short, I doubt that we will be able to gauge the effects that these changes have on certain group play until after they gone live.

peacenote · September 2019

I realize that all DMG is being nerfed but generally speaking my theory crafting for DPS is not as good as it is for healing.

I switched to pet sorc as my main for DPS as a backup to my healer because it was the only viable heavy attack build and I have cubital tunnel syndrome. The less repetitive clicking the better. After the last patch I have seen less trials by all my guilds and I was anticipating less opportunities for healers, so I wanted to start making a "second main" where more roles would be available per trial.

Does anyone have any insight yet for if pet sorc heavy attack build will be viable at all for end game trials? I don't need to pull 90k, just the minimum that mid level guilds expect for DPS for entry requirements.

I like pets

but am not tied to the pets so much as a viable option for HA over LA.

Frostystuff · September 2019

Aurelle1 wrote: »

Tia413 wrote: »

I imagine I will get torn to shreds for what I am about to say, but I am tired of holding it in any longer.

I love this game and because of that I have supported it by buying their chapters, and some DLC content, crowns and even continued to sub when others called for a "strike" on the subs.
But I really don't know how much more of this I can take.

I began playing this game a bit before One Tam hit. I loved it because I could play a class any way I so chose to. I didn't need to play the meta. I tried different skills until I found what worked for me.
I am a disabled person who is homebound. Gaming is something that I enjoy doing. It passes time.
I do have my limitations though (because of my disabilities). I don't use back bar. And most of the times I even forget to use my Ultimate. So needless to say, I am a PvE only player. And I have done very few Dungeons because I don't feel I have much to offer a group and because I don't feel I should be flamed for my playing style. I also wear what gear I feel suits my toon and playstyle , which is Tinkerer's and Necro. And I am/was happy.

I am also on the bandwagon of those who hate the fact of pets interferring with LoS while at a crafting station or banker, etc. I used to use the Matriarch and the Clannfear, but I dropped the Matriarch a while back in exchange for LL. Now I find myself as 1 of those people cussing behind the screen at those who have the Matriarch out at such places. But I was still happy at this point.

With the last bunch of changes that came through I had to change the morphs on 2 skills that I do use, to the other morphs.
And make some minor adjustments here and there. I survived that one. Not Complaining.

The 2 Morphs I changed were : Patch 5.1.5 (Scalebreaker) Released on August 9 - Entropy and Degeneration no longer heal over time. So I swapped from Degen to Structured. And I believe the other was to Reach. Ok, I apdapted.

I not only have a MagSorc, but a MagPlar and a MagDen. If this next patch goes live, it is gonna hit me hard. ( I won't post up the Warden and Templar changes on here because this is a post about Sorcs. And I respect @SirAndy )

As it stands now in the latest PTS Patch Notes 5.2.0.....

1)Mages Guild
Entropy:
This ability and the Structured Entropy morph no longer grant Major Sorcery.
Decreased the damage dealt of all 3 versions of this ability by 50%.
Reduced the base cost of these abilities to 2700, down from 2970.
Degeneration (morph): This morph no longer grants Magicka back when hitting an enemy affected by the Damage over Time, but continues to grant Major Sorcery for its original duration.

2)Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.

3)Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%.

4)Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph):
This morph’s damage now scales off your Max Stamina, rather than Magicka. WTF
Decreased the cost of the special activate to 4500, down from 4808.
The Area of Effect attack now deals the same damage as the basic attack, but hits in a 6 meter radius, up from 5 meters.
Fixed an issue where the AoE attack would cause the Clannfear to re-evaluate its purpose in life for 1 second after casting, lowering its potential DPS.

5)Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

If this goes Live all 5 of the Skills I use get hit.. And I will not rebuild her again. I will not adapt again. Nope. Nada. Not doing it. I have done it enough times already. But I will adapt....with my wallet. I don't have to craft! I don't have to farm!

I am beginning to feel like the game is becoming more PvP focused as of lately. But PvP is not the only part of this game that there is. There is also PvE. And just as many people PvE as they do PvP. Although I truly believe there is more PvEers than there is PvPers.
I will never understand why Zos didn't make 2 servers in the first place. 1 for PvE. 1 for PvP. Then Us PvEers wouldn't have to pay the price for what PvPers want.

And ofc there is all these changes to not just Sorcs, but to all classes that are occurring way too fast. Which started with Scalebreaker. Then some abilities got hit again in 5.1.7 on August 23. And now more coming up soon.

I am beyond frustratation. I am now irritated.

Why for a minute do you think you will be torn to shreds?

So very many of us agree totally with everything you have said.

I hate back bar with a vengeance, because I am not dexterous enough to manage the swap (plus even remembering what is on my back bar) most of the time. So with my Magsorc I run mainly one bar, with Clannfear for my heal. And I invariably forget to use ultimate too.

I never join groups because my DPS is pretty mediocre, and also I tend to get lost in dungeons if the group are speeding ahead. I'm playing about with my rotation and my DPS is increasing....but I don't feel I will ever be in a position to be able to offer a group anything much, given that most people are so much quicker and have so much more DPS.

So I solo 100% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I love soloing. I can get through public dungeons, dolmens and the very occasional WB. But completing anything else more difficult is not going to happen.

And your comments about PvP focus.....you have only to read the sheer number of posts about this to realise just how much PvE'ers resent the way ZOS handle PvE/PvP balance. That is the only area in which you may be torn to shreds, as many PvP'ers get triggered by us PvE'ers daring to 'blame' them for nerfs that affect us so badly. But remember that we stand by you, as we feel exactly the same.

So...I am not disabled, unless you call age a disability (I'm 72), which it most certainly is in its own way. But I have all the problems you have, and so I really know where you are coming from.

One thing I have found recently is, having rolled a Magplar, they are much easier to play than Magsorcs and their DPS seems to be a lot better for the moment. So the Magplar is now being leveled (with one bar!), and gaming life is fun again for a while. Until ZOS bring out yet another round of nerfs in the next update....and then it all degenerates again.

I honestly don't know how much longer the new combat team imagine they can keep this constant round of yo-yoing buff/nerf (mostly nerf) rubbish up. With a very few exceptions they are wrecking everyone's enjoyment of what should be a fantastic game. There is only so long that the player base will tolerate it, and I see the signs of that coming in the near future.

Like you, I too love thie game. However, one thing that ZOS would do well not to dismiss is that although there is currently a hiatus of good MMOs around, there are very promising ones in development. They don't have that long to change their attitude towards their own player base before the new MMOs are here, and we all up sticks and go.

I was only so so with my bar swaps, i bought a foot pedal and allocated bar swap to it, it works well. Might b wasted money soon funnily enough not because of the nerfs but because of my 35 runs through vma without getting a lightning staff it's the rng that's doing me in.

SirAndy · September 2019

peacenote wrote: »

Does anyone have any insight yet for if pet sorc heavy attack build will be viable at all for end game trials? I don't need to pull 90k, just the minimum that mid level guilds expect for DPS for entry requirements.
I like pets but am not tied to the pets so much as a viable option for HA over LA.

I haven't tested it in a trial setting yet but from my (solo) testing the biggest problem with this upcoming patch will be sustain. Cost has increased dramatically and even with a full heavy attack build you will be scrambling for resources.
Now, in a raid environment you should have better sustain than solo but this may still be a problem for you.

Also worth noting, i didn't weave any light attacks in my testing since i was specifically interested in how the ground based AOE dots and the heavy attack sustain were affected.

If you can avoid or outheal more incoming damage (which should be the case in a raid setting) then light attacks weaving will net you more dps and you can dial down on the number of heavy attacks needed.

However, giving your constraints, that might not work well for you ...

Morimizo · September 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

My point is that things might not be as bad as you fear they will be.

It would be really nice, if once---just ONCE---updates would be better than we thought they would be.

You know, instead of, "If I change out this skill (or sometimes 5, in this case), and this gear, and am willing to adopt a playstyle that is less fun/not what prefer, I can mitigate the loss of DPS to only 15% or so.

As @Tia413 has so well described, real life erodes our skills mercilessly enough; why must this fictional game space be arbitrarily set up to mimic this?

My suggestion for the dev team is to adopt more innovative solutions to combat 'power creep' and 'balance'. Players should never feel weaker the longer they invest in a game.

D0PAMINE · September 2019

SirAndy wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

Does anyone have any insight yet for if pet sorc heavy attack build will be viable at all for end game trials? I don't need to pull 90k, just the minimum that mid level guilds expect for DPS for entry requirements.
I like pets but am not tied to the pets so much as a viable option for HA over LA.

I haven't tested it in a trial setting yet but from my (solo) testing the biggest problem with this upcoming patch will be sustain. Cost has increased dramatically and even with a full heavy attack build you will be scrambling for resources.
Now, in a raid environment you should have better sustain than solo but this may still be a problem for you.

Also worth noting, i didn't weave any light attacks in my testing since i was specifically interested in how the ground based AOE dots and the heavy attack sustain were affected.

If you can avoid or outheal more incoming damage (which should be the case in a raid setting) then light attacks weaving will net you more dps and you can dial down on the number of heavy attacks needed.

However, giving your constraints, that might not work well for you ...

I would be fine with damage nerfs on all classes if sustain got better. Ugh.

Mettaricana · September 2019

I like the option for my stam sorc to finally have a pet and access to the max health and for summoned pet makimg stam sorc feel like the classic older es game sorcerer that uses bound weapons blades summons and armor

Ardaghion · September 2019

Mettaricana wrote: »

I like the option for my stam sorc to finally have a pet and access to the max health and for summoned pet makimg stam sorc feel like the classic older es game sorcerer that uses bound weapons blades summons and armor

Yeah, out of all my alts I didn't feel like making a stamsorc until I saw the Clannfear being changed to stamina. I haven't decided if my main MagSorc will switch to the Twilight Matriarch for the health or go petless.