Tel Var Stones are ridiculous

CompM4s · March 2019

I like the risk of losing tel var, makes the fights more interesting.

Khedrakb14_ESO · September 2019

Losing Tel Var Stones is a joke. PVP is bad enough and then you add losing something when a player kills you. *** this ***!

This event or Part of ESO would be so much better if you didn't lose your hard earned items that your trying to save up. Not to mention they still have not added a PVE only Cyrodiil or Imperial Sewers for those of us that just want to participate in the story and NOT the PVP.

Royalthought · September 2019

I actually like the risk. It adds to to fun.

However:

The percentage lost should decrease as the number of players attacking you increases.

(Wouldn't mind higher incremental increases in loss percentage the more members in your group)

My 2 cents.

Khedrakb14_ESO · September 2019

Undefwun wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

One of many reasons I avoid the Imperial City like the plague. As I've said in the past - that entire zone is basically designed to troll you while fulfilling the sadistic desires of players who enjoy causing frustration to others. Just avoid it and spare yourself. Because all you're accomplishing by going into that hell hole (especially if you are alone) is entertaining some ___ ____ at your own expense. And I don't know about you - but I have better things to do with my time than that.

Good stay out, buy your Hakejio from ppl willing to go down there.

Why does every zone have to for everybody?

You paid for the game. That entitles you to play the game. Now the game has set the rules for different areas.

You don't like the rule set for an area, don't go there. Simple. You need something from there deal with the rules.
Any of the stuff available from there can be obtained via other players afaik.

If ppl wanna fight each other there, just let em... you and your pixels can be safe in pve zones...

Then lock all PVP players out of PVE zones because not everything should be accessible to everybody, as you say.

Everone can easily play PVE zones and get all the rewards.
Only people that actually like PVP get the really good rewards from the PVP zones. So screw the rest of the players.

If there is a PVP system in an MMO then there should be a way for all players PVP and PVE to play the way they want to and still be able to get the same rewards in some way or another.

Khedrakb14_ESO · September 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

As others have said Tel Var is unique to the game and the risk of loss is what makes it fun. It is the only part of the game where there is a penalty for dying. Personally I think it is fun. I'm average at best with PvP but still manage to come out with a lot of Tel Var. I like taking 10,000 out of the bank and then drop down into the sewers as far from home as I can and try to make it back home.
If you don't enjoy the hunt you can do as others have also suggested. Take advantage of the guild traders and use your gold to get what others get with Tel Var. Win/win they get the fun of hunting for Tel Var and you get access to the goods.

ROFLMAO

The risk is what make it NOT fun! Fun is not losing hard earned items.

Dusk_Coven · September 2019

The Tel Var mechanic is probably meant to increase the "excitement" of "tension".

What it does in reality is make people avoid the Imperial City DLC zones and just use their usual workarounds for what they want from the Tel Var store.
100,000 Tel Var for a housing storage box? In the time it takes to earn that, you'd probably gotten ALL the storage boxes from vouchers already. It's even faster now with the blue jewelry writs they introduced.

FlopsyPrince · September 2019

Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »

Sidenote: You can easily farm large amounts of Tel Var by sticking to the rooms close to your sewer HQ, farm chests and mobs and the 2 closest bosses - just gotta watch for the big guys - but you can easily leg it back to your HQ if you aggro them as you're close.

But yeah farming up top is a nightmare, good fun though

Not when 10-15 idiots from another faction camp there.

Gee, what a fun event, for them, not me....

VaranisArano · September 2019

Can we not NECRO threads from March?

kargen27 · September 2019

I skipped a lot of the thread because I am sure we had this exact same conversation last time an event in Imperial City happened. Gotta toss out my opinion though.

I like the way Telvar works now. Much more forgiving that when first introduced. Also the only thing in the game that you get penalized for dying. Adds some excitement to gathering stones. Unique to the game and should stay in the game. I'm not going to do it during the event but I like to grab 10,000 stones and hop down in the sewers as far away from home base as I can. Then I see if I can make it back home. Always fun.

It is good that there is at least one place in the game where dying has consequences.

Khedrakb14_ESO · September 2019

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

IC has a lot of fun things that has made it a weekly guild event. It has a unique risk level to it, which is increased by going to the center to farm and topside. You can also get lots of useful items for crafting, plus gear, and three polymorphs and a pet and a skin. If that risk wasn't there it simply wouldn't be fun.

That risk you like so much. You can have it.
That risk is NOT fun in any way.
There should be another FUN way to obtain these items that so far are only available with PVP currency.

Cundu_Ertur · September 2019

Some guy killed me. I had 8 TV. I reckon he got 4.

It's not revenge, exactly, but I was ok with it.

I started with 0, put 4 in the bank, so I only need 4996 more to get a hakeijo.

BigBragg · September 2019

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

IC has a lot of fun things that has made it a weekly guild event. It has a unique risk level to it, which is increased by going to the center to farm and topside. You can also get lots of useful items for crafting, plus gear, and three polymorphs and a pet and a skin. If that risk wasn't there it simply wouldn't be fun.

That risk you like so much. You can have it.
That risk is NOT fun in any way.
There should be another FUN way to obtain these items that so far are only available with PVP currency.

Is there another way to get raid gear or dungeon sets? How about arena weapons?

max_only · September 2019

BigBragg wrote: »

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

IC has a lot of fun things that has made it a weekly guild event. It has a unique risk level to it, which is increased by going to the center to farm and topside. You can also get lots of useful items for crafting, plus gear, and three polymorphs and a pet and a skin. If that risk wasn't there it simply wouldn't be fun.

That risk you like so much. You can have it.
That risk is NOT fun in any way.
There should be another FUN way to obtain these items that so far are only available with PVP currency.

Is there another way to get raid gear or dungeon sets? How about arena weapons?

Let pvers take half your dungeon drops at random, you don’t get to choose which ones.

BigBragg · September 2019

max_only wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

IC has a lot of fun things that has made it a weekly guild event. It has a unique risk level to it, which is increased by going to the center to farm and topside. You can also get lots of useful items for crafting, plus gear, and three polymorphs and a pet and a skin. If that risk wasn't there it simply wouldn't be fun.

That risk you like so much. You can have it.
That risk is NOT fun in any way.
There should be another FUN way to obtain these items that so far are only available with PVP currency.

Is there another way to get raid gear or dungeon sets? How about arena weapons?

Let pvers take half your dungeon drops at random, you don’t get to choose which ones.

Let them? No. I don't let people take my Tel Var either. I fight for it, just like I fight bosses for loot.

The whole point is, and you know this already, if you want the goods you need to do the content.

Dusk_Coven · September 2019

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

I started with 0, put 4 in the bank, so I only need 4996 more to get a hakeijo.

Or sell the Enchanting Writ that uses Hakeijo, especially the gold ones, which are the only ones worth doing anyway considering the price per voucher. Purple Hakeijo Enchanting writs are for suckers who don't know the cost per voucher.

Roxie5D · September 2019

I'm not a PVPer at all, don't really enjoy it. Thought I'd give IC a go because of the event, and I really don't mind losing some of the TV stones but omg 50% of whatever I have on me ALL the time? That's too much in my opinion. I understand the risk and the danger, but that's too much lol. I'm fine with everything else cus everyone plays the game differently and enjoys different things.

Rave the Histborn · September 2019

labambao wrote: »

I have better purpose.
make IC not alliance-wise.
Make it max group of 2 ppl and all except your teammate are enemy to you, that can kill you and get 50% of your stones.
And delete sigil of retreat.
It would be way more interesting.

It would be very easy to exploit a system like that

NordJitsu · September 2019

Kuningatar wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Kuningatar wrote: »

Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!

IC is a PvP zone.

Woosh.

Double woosh.

It’s a PvP zone and the risk/reward is what makes it fun. Play it safe by your faction area or improve your PvP skills.

MattT1988 · September 2019

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

As others have said Tel Var is unique to the game and the risk of loss is what makes it fun. It is the only part of the game where there is a penalty for dying. Personally I think it is fun. I'm average at best with PvP but still manage to come out with a lot of Tel Var. I like taking 10,000 out of the bank and then drop down into the sewers as far from home as I can and try to make it back home.
If you don't enjoy the hunt you can do as others have also suggested. Take advantage of the guild traders and use your gold to get what others get with Tel Var. Win/win they get the fun of hunting for Tel Var and you get access to the goods.

ROFLMAO

The risk is what make it NOT fun! Fun is not losing hard earned items.

Your replying to posts from March. Don’t expect much of a response. You should of created a new thread.

jcm2606 · September 2019

I would love to see how you guys handle a full or even partial loot PvP MMO. Most of the zones with the best rewards are open PvP, where anybody can attack you, and they take your loot when they kill you. In full loot PvP, they also take any items you've got equipped.

Taleof2Cities · September 2019

Roxie5D wrote: »

I'm not a PVPer at all, don't really enjoy it. Thought I'd give IC a go because of the event, and I really don't mind losing some of the TV stones but omg 50% of whatever I have on me ALL the time? That's too much in my opinion. I understand the risk and the danger, but that's too much lol. I'm fine with everything else cus everyone plays the game differently and enjoys different things.

Back in the early days of Imperial City, you used to lose 80% of your tel var to players.

50% is easy street ...

Daimonion82 · September 2019

NordJitsu wrote: »

Kuningatar wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Kuningatar wrote: »

Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!

IC is a PvP zone.

Woosh.

Double woosh.

It’s a PvP zone and the risk/reward is what makes it fun. Play it safe by your faction area or improve your PvP skills.

I would like to see your improved PVP skills while group of players attacks you. The problem is - PVP players have horrible attitude towards PVE players. "We're better, deal with our superiority, adapt or get lost, hahaha!" Attacking lonely player with overwhelming forces doesn't make you superior, you know? It makes you miserable, deal with it.
I just don't get that toxic behaviour towards PVE players. You really think you can make someone to like PVP if you treat him like filth all the time?

jcm2606 · September 2019

Daimonion82 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Kuningatar wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Kuningatar wrote: »

Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!

IC is a PvP zone.

Woosh.

Double woosh.

It’s a PvP zone and the risk/reward is what makes it fun. Play it safe by your faction area or improve your PvP skills.

I would like to see your improved PVP skills while group of players attacks you. The problem is - PVP players have horrible attitude towards PVE players. "We're better, deal with our superiority, adapt or get lost, hahaha!" Attacking lonely player with overwhelming forces doesn't make you superior, you know? It makes you miserable, deal with it.
I just don't get that toxic behaviour towards PVE players. You really think you can make someone to like PVP if you treat him like filth all the time?

Maybe try to avoid the groups, then? There's 6 districts, and an entire sewer system for you to explore. If you're wanting to try out some PvP but don't want to get zerged down, try the other districts. If you're wanting to just farm mobs in peace, go down into the sewers and stick near your faction's base, depositing your Tel Var every 1k or so in case you get killed by another player.

Taleof2Cities · September 2019

Daimonion82 wrote: »

I would like to see your improved PVP skills while group of players attacks you. The problem is - PVP players have horrible attitude towards PVE players. "We're better, deal with our superiority, adapt or get lost, hahaha!" Attacking lonely player with overwhelming forces doesn't make you superior, you know? It makes you miserable, deal with it.
I just don't get that toxic behaviour towards PVE players. You really think you can make someone to like PVP if you treat him like filth all the time?

Be careful not to generalize the whole PvP community based on a single playstyle you saw, @Daimonion82.

I was in IC for 3+ hours tonite ... and was solo the whole time on a Magicka Warden.

There are plenty of toxic PvP and PvE players that I can introduce you to. It goes both ways ...

Vapirko · September 2019

Really the amount of whining from PvErs about the SINGLE PvP event is amazing. We’re not even getting Midyear Mayhem. Just *** off if you don’t like it.

hakan · September 2019

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Undefwun wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

One of many reasons I avoid the Imperial City like the plague. As I've said in the past - that entire zone is basically designed to troll you while fulfilling the sadistic desires of players who enjoy causing frustration to others. Just avoid it and spare yourself. Because all you're accomplishing by going into that hell hole (especially if you are alone) is entertaining some ___ ____ at your own expense. And I don't know about you - but I have better things to do with my time than that.

Good stay out, buy your Hakejio from ppl willing to go down there.

Why does every zone have to for everybody?

You paid for the game. That entitles you to play the game. Now the game has set the rules for different areas.

You don't like the rule set for an area, don't go there. Simple. You need something from there deal with the rules.
Any of the stuff available from there can be obtained via other players afaik.

If ppl wanna fight each other there, just let em... you and your pixels can be safe in pve zones...

Then lock all PVP players out of PVE zones because not everything should be accessible to everybody, as you say.

Everone can easily play PVE zones and get all the rewards.
Only people that actually like PVP get the really good rewards from the PVP zones. So screw the rest of the players.

If there is a PVP system in an MMO then there should be a way for all players PVP and PVE to play the way they want to and still be able to get the same rewards in some way or another.

Difference: pvpers are willing to play in pve rules. Cant say it for pve'ers though. i havent seen a "dO iHaVEto PvE forR tHis" thread where we have the tons of opposite threads.

Beardimus · September 2019

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Losing Tel Var Stones is a joke. PVP is bad enough and then you add losing something when a player kills you. *** this ***!

This event or Part of ESO would be so much better if you didn't lose your hard earned items that your trying to save up. Not to mention they still have not added a PVE only Cyrodiil or Imperial Sewers for those of us that just want to participate in the story and NOT the PVP.

@Knootewoot you are summoned.

Beardimus · September 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Roxie5D wrote: »

I'm not a PVPer at all, don't really enjoy it. Thought I'd give IC a go because of the event, and I really don't mind losing some of the TV stones but omg 50% of whatever I have on me ALL the time? That's too much in my opinion. I understand the risk and the danger, but that's too much lol. I'm fine with everything else cus everyone plays the game differently and enjoys different things.

Back in the early days of Imperial City, you used to lose 80% of your tel var to players.

50% is easy street ...

I'd prefer it to go back, as Ganker and Gankee. Adds spice.

Who isn't flooded in Tel Var already? I got like a million.

It's 14k a boss, PvE mode. Solo. If you are trying to do that in a peak pop event ur silly. Go when its quiet, solo it all, profit.

Mayrael · September 2019

hakan wrote: »

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Undefwun wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

One of many reasons I avoid the Imperial City like the plague. As I've said in the past - that entire zone is basically designed to troll you while fulfilling the sadistic desires of players who enjoy causing frustration to others. Just avoid it and spare yourself. Because all you're accomplishing by going into that hell hole (especially if you are alone) is entertaining some ___ ____ at your own expense. And I don't know about you - but I have better things to do with my time than that.

Good stay out, buy your Hakejio from ppl willing to go down there.

Why does every zone have to for everybody?

You paid for the game. That entitles you to play the game. Now the game has set the rules for different areas.

You don't like the rule set for an area, don't go there. Simple. You need something from there deal with the rules.
Any of the stuff available from there can be obtained via other players afaik.

If ppl wanna fight each other there, just let em... you and your pixels can be safe in pve zones...

Then lock all PVP players out of PVE zones because not everything should be accessible to everybody, as you say.

Everone can easily play PVE zones and get all the rewards.
Only people that actually like PVP get the really good rewards from the PVP zones. So screw the rest of the players.

If there is a PVP system in an MMO then there should be a way for all players PVP and PVE to play the way they want to and still be able to get the same rewards in some way or another.

Difference: pvpers are willing to play in pve rules. Cant say it for pve'ers though. i havent seen a "dO iHaVEto PvE forR tHis" thread where we have the tons of opposite threads.

^ this guy is right you know?

When I need gear I farm it, I switch to PvE setup and do better than 80% of pvers, Ive carried whole "PvErs" groups through nonDLC vet HM dungs - like Tempest Island where all 3 other players are lying on the floor because I was sick and tired of ressing them and finally Ive soloed last boss. Just because you don't PvP it doesn't mean you are a PvEr.

About Tel Vars.
Tel Vars are literally the only awesome reward from PvP and they should stay like that, PvE have all the rest. TBH in this game PvP rewards are still very poor when compared to other MMOs so don't whine.

In general:
Sets avaible at vendors in towns should be much more useful in PvP.
Also we should be able to buy sacks with dung (not trials) gear for APs (DLC sacks should be unlocked only for those who own the DLC or ESO+).

jcm2606 · September 2019

Mayrael wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

Khedrakb14_ESO wrote: »

Undefwun wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

One of many reasons I avoid the Imperial City like the plague. As I've said in the past - that entire zone is basically designed to troll you while fulfilling the sadistic desires of players who enjoy causing frustration to others. Just avoid it and spare yourself. Because all you're accomplishing by going into that hell hole (especially if you are alone) is entertaining some ___ ____ at your own expense. And I don't know about you - but I have better things to do with my time than that.

Good stay out, buy your Hakejio from ppl willing to go down there.

Why does every zone have to for everybody?

You paid for the game. That entitles you to play the game. Now the game has set the rules for different areas.

You don't like the rule set for an area, don't go there. Simple. You need something from there deal with the rules.
Any of the stuff available from there can be obtained via other players afaik.

If ppl wanna fight each other there, just let em... you and your pixels can be safe in pve zones...

Then lock all PVP players out of PVE zones because not everything should be accessible to everybody, as you say.

Everone can easily play PVE zones and get all the rewards.
Only people that actually like PVP get the really good rewards from the PVP zones. So screw the rest of the players.

If there is a PVP system in an MMO then there should be a way for all players PVP and PVE to play the way they want to and still be able to get the same rewards in some way or another.

Difference: pvpers are willing to play in pve rules. Cant say it for pve'ers though. i havent seen a "dO iHaVEto PvE forR tHis" thread where we have the tons of opposite threads.

^ this guy is right you know?

When I need gear I farm it, I switch to PvE setup and do better than 80% of pvers, Ive carried whole "PvErs" groups through nonDLC vet HM dungs - like Tempest Island where all 3 other players are lying on the floor because I was sick and tired of ressing them and finally Ive soloed last boss. Just because you don't PvP it doesn't mean you are a PvEr.

About Tel Vars.
Tel Vars are literally the only awesome reward from PvP and they should stay like that, PvE have all the rest. TBH in this game PvP rewards are still very poor when compared to other MMOs so don't whine.

In general:
Sets avaible at vendors in towns should be much more useful in PvP.
Also we should be able to buy sacks with dung (not trials) gear for APs (DLC sacks should be unlocked only for those who own the DLC or ESO+).

Yep. As I said above, I'd love to see how these guys handle full or even partial loot PvP MMO's, where your rewards are the items your victim had on them at the time. Imagine being out in some random zone just questing or farming materials, and some random dude comes and attacks you, kills you, and you lose all your items, maybe even the gear you were wearing.