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Tel Var Stones are ridiculous
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ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »There's just...no real reason for the system to be like this.
The reason is that it is really fun. IC and the sewers are one of the few places that you can go in the game and feel a sense of danger just being there. Personally, that feeling of danger is what keeps me coming back.
I can understand that. I used to play Aion for this reason and enjoyed rifting into enemy territory for the thrill the feeling of danger gave me. I liked sneaking around without getting caught. However I think the sewers are badly implemented and only appeal to a niche group of players. I neither enjoy having my tel var taken from me, nor do I enjoy the idea of taking tel var from others.
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Merlight✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Tel Var gain from killing other players should scale based on Tel Var multiplier. Have a 1x Tel Var multiplier? You get 10% of other players' Tel Var from a kill. Have a 2x Tel Var multipler? You get 20% of other players' Tel Var from a kill. Have a 3x Tel Var multipler? You get 30% of other players' Tel Var from a kill. Have a 4x Tel Var multipler? You get 50% of other players' Tel Var from a kill.
If you want a big reward of Tel Var, you have to risk your own Tel Var.
Make it 1x 20%, 2x 40%, 3x 60%, 4x 80%, then we're talking.
EU ‣ Wabbajack nostalgic ‣ Blackwater Blade defender ‣ Kyne wanderer
The offspring of the root of all evil in ESO by DeanTheCat
Why ESO needs a monthly subscription
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭Carry invisibility pots (especially with a dash of major expedition mmm), don't be greedy (bank telvar every now and then, since even the bosses might trip you up and kill ya), pay attention to which faction owns a district, and always carry one sigil of imperial retreat.(AD) Artim X |PC/NA| Primary Guild: Storm Guides NA Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer.
My Easygoing BuildsElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/hokMyu1PAKfJK/giphy.gif
Proc free DPS build for when a tank isn't holding bosses in place and for times where one is not getting buffed by a healer.
Gear: 5 Netch's Touch (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Slimecraw (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Hardened Ward (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the heals and tank to keep you alive), Lightning Flood, and Power Overload.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak, Shock Reach, Dampen Magic (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the healer and tank to keep you alive), Unstable Wall of Storms, and Thunderous Rage.
Electric-Burn[url="https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gif[/url]
DPS build for more organized groups.
Gear: 5 Burning Spellweave (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Grothdarr (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Hardened Ward (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the heals and tank to keep you alive), Lightning Flood, and Power Overload.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak, Flame Reach, Dampen Magic (Twilight Tormentor if one can somewhat trust both the healer and tank to keep you alive), Unstable Wall of Fire, and Fiery Rage.
Electric-Cool[url="https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif[/url]
Utility focused DPS build that is capable of tanking normal dungeons and vet non dlc dungeons, but it does not provide enough tank based buffs/debuffs to warrant it's use in trials/vet dlc dungeons and due to the limits of damage shields it would be too much of a liability due to the sheer number of potential one-shot mechanics that a pure tank would have an easier time dealing with.
Gear: 5 Icy Conjuror (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Iceheart (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Ice Staff (infused/ice enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath (Elemental Drain in vet content if healer isn't using it), Hardened Ward, Lightning Flood, and Power Overload (Replenishing Barrier when healer isn't keeping others alive).
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Streak (Inner Rage when dealing with multiple bosses), Frost Reach (Restraining Prison when I want to lock enemies down), Dampen Magic, Unstable Wall of Frost, and Icy Rage (Aggressive Horn when DPS is decent).
Electric-Healhttps://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gif
My healer build that I for the most part only use in normal dungeons/trials or in Vet premades, since playing with randoms tend to result in me being in a group that lacks DPS, has a fake tank, or both.
Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 spell critical monster set pieces when I don't feel like using spell crit pots, Grothdarr when I want to do more damage, Bogdan when I want more HoTs, Symphony of Blades to provide more emergency resources, or Earthgore when I feel like it would make a significant difference (All Divines. 1 med/1 heavy. Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (infused with weapon damage enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge (Power Surge for more heals), Boundless Storm, Combat Prayer, Ward Ally (Twilight Matriarch for another burst heal and damage), Energy Orb, and Replenishing Barrier.
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Hardened Ward (Twilight Matriarch for another burst heal and damage), Unstable Wall of Storms, and Aggressive Horn.
Electric-Vamphttps://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gif
Tanky utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players, but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (3 heavy body pieces, light waist, and medium hands. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants), 2 heavy Mighty Chudan (All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants), and Knight Slayer jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant. Same enchant as lightning in order to maintain consistent pressure regardless of which staff you're heavy attacking with). [When more focused on damage will change Chudan pieces to medium and light. Also all my Torug body pieces to light except the chest that stays heavy].
Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Consuming Trap, Haunting Curse, Ward Ally, Rapid Regeneration, and Life Giver (or Soul Assault).
Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Elusive Mist, Rune Cage, Hardened Ward, Efficient Purge, and Shooting Star.
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Damage shield tank designed to help my guildmates clear vet dungeons when a typical tank isn't available.
Gear: 5 Brands of the Imperium (All Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 2 Mother Ciannait (All Divines. 1 med/1 light. Max Mag Enchants). Combat Physician jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/Ice Staff (infused/crusher). Blackrose Restoration Staff (doesn't have to be the perfect version. infused/hardening enchant).
Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Inner Rage, Boundless Storm, Ward Ally, and Replenishing Barrier.
Ability-Bar 2: Deep Thoughts, Bound Aegis, Restraining Prison (Elemental Drain in vet content if healer isn't using it), Unstable Wall of Frost, Hardened Ward, and Temporal Guard.
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Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap. Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
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High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
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PvP: The Atronach.
PvE: I will almost always use the Atronach in this content as well (especially if I'm healing in PvE or playing it safe while solo). However, in a strong group other Mundus Stones can be effective (Thief is what I would use in a serious group as a healer. As DPS I would use Shadow or Lover depending on group), since a heavy attack rotation will ensure that you're always restoring magicka at a decent rate. When using electric-ward in vet content I will always use the Lady to reach 25k+ physical/spell resistances.
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Mag Sorc: More focused on damage, since changing CP isn't free. Mage: Elfborn (56), Spell Erosion (22), Elemental Expert (64), Staff Expert (44), Master-at-Arms (9), and Thaumaturge (75). Warrior: Ironclad (34), Resistant (8), Light Armor Focus (12), Hardy (32), Elemental Defender (32), Thick Skinned (31), Expert Defender (33), Bastion (56), and Quick Recovery (32). Thief: Warlord (31), Sprinter (6), Bashing Focus (6), Arcanist (75), Tenacity (75), Shade (25), Tumbling (26), and Shadow Ward (26).
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Mag Sorc: (In your gameplay settings turn on quick cast ground abilities) Buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, drop Rage if it's active (only drop it on significant bosses or in situations with lots of enemies where you know you'll have the ult filled up by the next boss), Reach, Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Liquid Flood, two heavy attacks, activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, and repeat. If you have an excessive amount of ult and you're dealing with trash mobs activate overload before performing the rotation, but don't heavy attack for too long. If you have enough ult for Rage while you're fighting a serious boss and you're in the middle of the rotation just focus on activating the ultimate, afterwards either continue the rotation or start from scratch. During the execute phase (around 20% health) replace the second heavy attack with about 4 Mages' Wrath, but if boss is melting quickly just keep spamming Wrath (hold heavy attack while spamming Wrath). When using Twilight Tormentor only use the active ability before a fight and at times where you aren't actively engaging the boss.
When frost staff tanking a single boss buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, heavy attack with the ice staff, drop Rage if it's active, Reach/Restraining (at times can be replaced with an additional lightning staff heavy for sustain), Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Lightning Flood, one heavy attack (two if Reach isn't used), activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, one heavy attack, and repeat. If frost staff tanking multiple bosses buff up with Boundless and Surge, weapon swap immediately after casting the previous skill, heavy attack with the ice staff each enemy, drop Rage if it's active, Unstable, quickly weapon swap, Lightning Flood, heavy attack priority boss in order to proc IA (pink smoke), activate either Surge or Boundless, cancel the animation of the buff used with a weapon swap, heavy attack all the bosses, and repeat. Can also slot in Inner Rage and forego heavy attacking with the ice staff. If using inner rage after getting aggro perform the DPS oriented rotation and retake aggro after 1 rotation. Most challenging bosses to keep aggroed will be the Pact in the Blessed Crucible and the knights in the White-Gold Tower, since you need to keep 3 enemies taunted, but they can also be locked down with Restraining. During the execute phase on a single target (around 20% health) replace the second heavy attack with a partial heavy attack in order to proc IA and around 4 Mages' Wrath, but if boss is melting quickly just keep spamming Wrath (hold block while spamming Wrath).
When healing in PvE just keep all support skills and Unstable up. Heavy attack primarily with a restoration staff whenever you can. Be reactive with your heals (when someone is scratched use ward ally and top them off with some Prayers). When taking a lot of continuous damage make sure to have all buffs/debuffs up while keeping Energy Orb active in the group. At the boss use the horn ult, but only when the group has decent survivability and damage. If too many players lack survivability then use the barrier ult to make life easier (longer fight, but less risk of death). Can use barrier when dealing with trash mobs (gives back ult).
In PvP you'll rarely be in a scenario where you can perform a PvE esque rotation with AOE unless you're performing a single target burst. For the most part just stun peeps whenever possible, apply dots, and heavy attack them a few times. Rinse and repeat till they die and use ults as needed, but make sure to keep your health and shields up whenever you take significant damage (might have to keep one's distance if a dk is using a skill like draw essence). When in a high pressure situation stay on the lightning staff bar and keep hardened ward up while stunning and heavy attacking hostiles make sure to keep primary buffs up, heal up, purge, and shield stack as needed. When dealing with a large amount of enemy players alongside your faction keep your distance from friendlies (avoid bombs). If you get debuffs on you be careful not to overuse efficient purge, which is still quite costly. If not grouped up do not bother using purge on a debuffed friendly, since it will not affect them at all.
In PvE and PvP make sure to utilize tab target to keep track of priority enemies. Use streak in PvE for mag based movement that also allows you to stun a group of enemies. Use elusive mist for mag based movement, snare removal, and damage mitigation in PvP (can also be used in stealth, but will pop you out of a hidden state for a brief moment).
In PvP when solo taking a resource ride your mount towards the tower, aggro the two guards at the front of the entrance, then head on inside the tower, buff up, purge, head up the stairs, kill everyone that follows especially the mage guard, kill everyone on the flag, and flip.
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Gold Food for PvE:
(DPS) Corrupting Bloody Mara (increases Max Magicka by 4620, Max Health by 5051, and Health Recovery by 505 for 2 hours). If a vampire use font of loss furnishing to decrease vampirism to stage 1 to benefit from health recovery.
Gold Food for PvP and PvE:
(PvP healer/PvE serious tank) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours).
Trash Potions when feeling cheap:
Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
Crafted Potions:
Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). -
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✭✭✭✭As others have said Tel Var is unique to the game and the risk of loss is what makes it fun. It is the only part of the game where there is a penalty for dying. Personally I think it is fun. I'm average at best with PvP but still manage to come out with a lot of Tel Var. I like taking 10,000 out of the bank and then drop down into the sewers as far from home as I can and try to make it back home.
If you don't enjoy the hunt you can do as others have also suggested. Take advantage of the guild traders and use your gold to get what others get with Tel Var. Win/win they get the fun of hunting for Tel Var and you get access to the goods. -
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✭✭✭✭Ezpz fix, instead of 50% takes, its 25% takes for player kills Rewards farmers more than gankers but gankers still benefit (if they’re actually in IC for the competitive PvP and not just ganking the PvE players who don’t fight back
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The PvE aspect of the PvEvP zone should give just as much reward instead of being mostly a punishment when other players come around. Currently it’s more balanced toward doing no farming and just ganking the poor sods who do farm Tel Var. -
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✭✭✭✭✭telvar useless?
i disagree completely, i got my shield breaker set from telvar (which is perfect for my pvp build), and also many matts from the matt bag that i use daily, and also i buy everything with telvar in that telvar exchange guy, and sell those items to people in almost every zone in eso.
people love those things i sell to them that i bought with telvar, and they love the sets i buy with telvar as well. infact i advertise in all the zones that i sell telvar and all the sets that can only be bought with telvar, inculding all those costumes.
telvar is awesome and is fun killing people in the sewers to gain even MORE telvars.
i cant imagine anyone hating telvar. thats like saying Gold and Diamonds are bad.
Edited by Gilvoth on March 13, 2019 7:17PMbest in slot: is the armor, weapon, clothing look, pet, or no pet, jewelry, race, class, skill choices, amount of DPS, and skin color best fit to you and the way you wish to play and makes you feel good and performs what YOU think it should be.
worst in slot: what you read in zone chat, and forum comment, and forum thread, and you tube video, and live streamer advice, and class rep advice, and guild chat advice, and whisper told you to wear, and use for skill, and dress like, and use for weapon and armor. -
Number_51✭✭✭✭✭I like the idea that others have proposed here. Maybe make it a base 10%, then use the multiplier you get for carrying Tel Var. Currently the multipliers are: x2 for 100 stones, x3 for 1,000, and x4 for 10,000. That gives you 10%, 20%, 30%, and 40%. To me, 40% seems a little low though. Maybe give a 10%-40% bonus for x4 (10% brings it back to the current 50%, 40% takes it to the old 80%)? -
Kuningatar✭✭✭I like the idea that others have proposed here. Maybe make it a base 10%, then use the multiplier you get for carrying Tel Var. Currently the multipliers are: x2 for 100 stones, x3 for 1,000, and x4 for 10,000. That gives you 10%, 20%, 30%, and 40%. To me, 40% seems a little low though. Maybe give a 10%-40% bonus for x4 (10% brings it back to the current 50%, 40% takes it to the old 80%)?
At least something needs to be changed.
But this one thinks it is ridiculous that an essentially PvE activity and currency was tied to a PvP zone. If this one goes to farm Tel Var stones, this one is not looking to fight whatever group is running around doing PvP, she is looking to fight the monsters and bosses to gain Tel Var.
A lot of people say "just go back and bank your Tel Var", which would be great advice and this one tries to do that already if not for the fact that often she gets attacked the moment she arrives due to the massive groups marauding around.
"Use Nightblade for stealth", yes; this one already tries that. She gets seen somehow regardless and always caught by the groups many times. Sometimes she gets away, but when you have 8 to 10 people constantly spamming aoes all over creation, is very hard to slip away.
Joskus menee perkeleen huonosti, mutta minä en anna periksi! -
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And its also why the rewards are high.Kuningatar wrote: »Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!
IC is a PvP zone.
its also designed for small scale so an huge zerg is not cost effective. Nice if you are just after the achievements however.
Not my type of content but see no issue with it that so ever. -
devilsTear✭✭✭Farming tel var farming tel var, ever stop to think tel var wasn't meant to be '' farmed ''.
Its a pvp zone with pve elements, learn to deal with other players or stay in pve. -
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✭✭OP has pinpointed the whole reason I very rarely go into the Imperial City or the sewers. It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
I even made a point of getting the 3 IC crafting sets as soon as I could for my house so I don't have to go there for master writs. As for tel var stones, I've never used any and do not even know what they can buy.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. -
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And its also why the rewards are high.Kuningatar wrote: »Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!
IC is a PvP zone.
its also designed for small scale so an huge zerg is not cost effective. Nice if you are just after the achievements however.
Not my type of content but see no issue with it that so ever.
The rewards are not high, however. To afford anything it can take hours of farming, which is time when you will inevitably run into one of those 'small zergs'. Perhaps if the rewards were improved it would be a bit more worth it, as well.
You choose to go with at least 1,000 Tel Var to get the x3 multiplier to gain slightly more reward (still not worth the risk) and this one may very well lose that because of the zergs. At the upper half of the Imperial City this one gets slightly more reward (quicker to nearly 5,000 or more), but below, this one can run the whole of the sewers to the center and barely near 4,000. With so much risk involved, it is simply not worth the time and effort invested considering you can very quickly lose it all.Joskus menee perkeleen huonosti, mutta minä en anna periksi! -
Number_51✭✭✭✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »OP has pinpointed the whole reason I very rarely go into the Imperial City or the sewers. It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
I even made a point of getting the 3 IC crafting sets as soon as I could for my house so I don't have to go there for master writs. As for tel var stones, I've never used any and do not even know what they can buy.
I know, it's crazy. It's like in my home town, all the athletic people and sports minded fans hang out at the ball fields and sports venues. Sometimes I just wanna go there and fat bald TV, but they just won't leave me be. -
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✭disintegr8 wrote: »OP has pinpointed the whole reason I very rarely go into the Imperial City or the sewers. It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
I even made a point of getting the 3 IC crafting sets as soon as I could for my house so I don't have to go there for master writs. As for tel var stones, I've never used any and do not even know what they can buy.
You both are cowards. Nobody here can change it. Ignore ic and be happy -
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✭✭Kuningatar wrote: »
And its also why the rewards are high.Kuningatar wrote: »Just because some jerks wanted to attack her? This one minds her own business in Imperial City and fights the monsters!
IC is a PvP zone.
its also designed for small scale so an huge zerg is not cost effective. Nice if you are just after the achievements however.
Not my type of content but see no issue with it that so ever.
The rewards are not high, however. To afford anything it can take hours of farming, which is time when you will inevitably run into one of those 'small zergs'. Perhaps if the rewards were improved it would be a bit more worth it, as well.
You choose to go with at least 1,000 Tel Var to get the x3 multiplier to gain slightly more reward (still not worth the risk) and this one may very well lose that because of the zergs. At the upper half of the Imperial City this one gets slightly more reward (quicker to nearly 5,000 or more), but below, this one can run the whole of the sewers to the center and barely near 4,000. With so much risk involved, it is simply not worth the time and effort invested considering you can very quickly lose it all.
Have you tried to que into a different campaign? Free, safe transport to Cyrodiil main base."You get that blithe assumption that the status quo will always remain - or that this guy is so bad he's got to go. Neither are necessarily true, nor necessarily false." - Michael Kozak -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn’t be centered at all around farming. They need to work on rewards and purpose and get it back to its original vision of an active zone -
Raammzzaa✭✭✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
It actually really is a PvP zone though... 🤔
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Pyr0xyrecuprotite✭✭✭✭✭@Kuningatar
I'm curious WHY you are trying to farm Telvar stones if you get frustrated by losing half of them occasionally?
If it's for the achievements, yes it's tough. If it's for the gold value - there are other ways to farm gold.
The risk of losing some Telvar is part of the atmosphere of IC and what makes it good. It means you have to make a balance between going with a big group for better chances of survival, and going solo or in a small group to maximize your Telvar earned. You also have to balance dps skills with some sort of escape and survival skills. Losing Telvar means that dying actually matters, which is hardly ever the case in the rest of the game. -
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✭✭✭PvE Currencies: Gold, Writ Vouchers
PvP Currencies: AP, Tel Var.
If I catch you 'questing' or 'getting skyshards' in Cyrodiil, I'm going to attack you.
If I catch you 'farming Tel Var', in Imperial City, I'm going to attack you.
The only people who get a pass are anglers.
Everyone else is a target.
I'm here to PvP
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Kuningatar✭✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
It actually really is a PvP zone though... 🤔
So many wooshes here.
That is the point! This one is saying it is ridiculous to have what boils down to a PvE activity in a PvP zone. For why?
Much of the attitudes can be seen in the forums here. The hostility, the bad attitudes, the rudeness; those sort of people are abounds in PvP. They will kill you just to spite you even if they get nothing out of it, repeatedly as well and often are extremely vindictive. This one would suggest either changing the way Tel Var stones work or making a new way to earn them that does not place one in a PvP zone.Edited by Kuningatar on March 13, 2019 9:16PMJoskus menee perkeleen huonosti, mutta minä en anna periksi! -
Kuningatar✭✭✭Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »@Kuningatar
I'm curious WHY you are trying to farm Telvar stones if you get frustrated by losing half of them occasionally?
If it's for the achievements, yes it's tough. If it's for the gold value - there are other ways to farm gold.
The risk of losing some Telvar is part of the atmosphere of IC and what makes it good. It means you have to make a balance between going with a big group for better chances of survival, and going solo or in a small group to maximize your Telvar earned. You also have to balance dps skills with some sort of escape and survival skills. Losing Telvar means that dying actually matters, which is hardly ever the case in the rest of the game.
Hakeijo runes, mostly. Making the Prismatic Glyphs is very useful, yes. This one uses them in all aspects of play. But at 5,000 Tel Var stones a piece and taking hours to farm that much with the possibility of losing so much at the drop of a hat, it is very frustrating, yes.Joskus menee perkeleen huonosti, mutta minä en anna periksi! -
Caleb_Kadesh✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »There's just...no real reason for the system to be like this.
The reason is that it is really fun. IC and the sewers are one of the few places that you can go in the game and feel a sense of danger just being there. Personally, that feeling of danger is what keeps me coming back.
This is exactly the reason I love the Telvar system the way it is. I played Eve Online for ten years because of the danger that you could actually lose something tangible. The rush when you survive is amazing. When I get jumped and then actually kill my attacker it is more satisfying than anything else in this game. -
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Caleb_Kadesh✭✭✭jediodyn_ESO wrote: »Tel Var loss on death is a great thing. Risk v reward = excitement.
Problem is what other posters have stated here that you should only be able to steal tel var equal to ... a reasonable % of what you are also risking. Not fair to go look for farmers with 1000's of TV right after you bank all of yours. This is the same thing as "naked gankers" in other full loot pvp mmo's. Not fun, and toxic for the game.
This seems like a reasonable concession. I can see a system that operates similar to the telvar multiplier in place currently. as you have a greater amount of Telvar at risk you loot a greater percentage from your pvp kills. -
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There's nothing cowardly about it, it's a choice thing for me and I don't need to go there.oxygen_thief wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »OP has pinpointed the whole reason I very rarely go into the Imperial City or the sewers. It's usually full of gankers and kill happy losers who insist on killing anything and anyone they see using the 'it's a PVP zone' as an excuse.
I even made a point of getting the 3 IC crafting sets as soon as I could for my house so I don't have to go there for master writs. As for tel var stones, I've never used any and do not even know what they can buy.
You both are cowards. Nobody here can change it. Ignore ic and be happy
I'm happy to ignore IC and go on my merry way. I've been in there when I've had to without complaint and done what I need to ensure I never have to again.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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Kuningatar✭✭✭This one will state that while many enjoy the sense of loss and that is fine, she does think that something else wholly PvP oriented could be implemented to take the place of Tel Var stones. Why must the thing that comes with a loss risk be a PvE activity? This is like games like RuneScape if every server were turned into a high risk PvP server and so no one had a choice but to lose much if they were killed. It makes no sense. It is not fun for those who wish to gain the Tel Var stones to obtain exclusive items available only for them.
This one is not suggesting that the PvPers should not have what they enjoy, only that what they enjoy could be better tailored to them. Or at least make the useful to PvE things available for gold or through some other currency (and this one does not mean Guild Stores because this one does not live on the game and she is constantly broke, so earning the gold to afford the Hakeijo runes from players selling them is very hard)
Why could something like.. War Coins/Bonds or something not take the place of Tel Var stones and Tel Var stones be made a currency available from a non PvP activity? Then with War Currency you could buy things solely and specifically for PvP - then you could have your PvP currency and sense of loss and risk while the Tel Var stones would open.
Or simpler, again; just make the PvE things available somewhere else through some other currency. Even making them available through AP would be preferable to being forced to go to a PvP zone and have so many jerks attack this one and spawn camp her. Shes even had people specifically go looking around the place for her and her team. That is ridiculous. And what do they gain from it? Eventually this one stops running around with Tel Var stones altogether and they continue to attack her regardless just seemingly out of spite and meanness.Joskus menee perkeleen huonosti, mutta minä en anna periksi! -
Merlight✭✭✭✭✭Kuningatar wrote: »That is the point! This one is saying it is ridiculous to have what boils down to a PvE activity in a PvP zone. For why?
Because the world is not black & white. Some players enjoy a mix of both PvP and PvE. There are games that are entirely mixed PvPvE, with no risk-free PvE areas. ESO has one zone that provides this mixture. It's not a zone for everyone, by design.
Edited by Merlight on March 13, 2019 9:29PMEU ‣ Wabbajack nostalgic ‣ Blackwater Blade defender ‣ Kyne wanderer
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✭Tel Var farming made easy:
1. Have high CP character in good gear.
2. Have escape pots or cloak (though not really necessary TBH).
3. Only play IC at low pop when your alliance owns the districts. Having characters in different alliances is of course useful for this.
4.If there is conflict going on or gankers around, don´t farm tel var unless you are good enough to get away with it. Just switch to an alt and farm in Alik´r desert or something. Fighting gankers is pointless, unless you do it for pure enjoyment. Also, I seriously doubt gankers make as much income as a good farmer under the right conditions. A farmer gets more than just tel var.
5. Don´t just go for bosses. The mobs give good XP, Fighters Guild XP, keys and loot for decon / selling etc.
6. Speedrun around the map, always have 1000+ tel var for the 3x bonus. Bank at regular intervals around, I dunno, 7k plus or whatever you´re comfortable with. But always have 1000+ remaining.
7. Enjoy what might be the most profitable PvE farming in the game.
Edited by MaleAmazon on March 13, 2019 9:31PM
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