They are there and that is beyond the intent of what ZOS created the Trader System. ZOS expected that each guild would be a single group of it's own without political alignments, further it was done when there was a faction divider as well so they did not expect guilds to grow beyond 500.
Please point me to someplace, any place, that ZOS said anything of the sort.
*cuts ties with Hiyde*
So, how do we go about this divorce? Like, you can keep the guild house, but I’m getting full custody of the Officer Team.
1) Trader system was made when a faction wall was in place.
2) They have never made any provisions to have guilds larger than 500.
3) No advance tools to mange a larger guild or multiple guilds.
4) They have never referenced a guild larger than 500 in their guides.
5) If they had intended for guilds to be larger, they would have done so (It's been asked for)
Deducted reasoning follows that they did not. As for them expecting or stating that they did, here is what follows that.
StabbityDoom wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »i dont thinl that needs to be discussed here. guilds having partner or sister guilds is i guess pretty normal on all platforms and actually also natural. some people get along, some people do not get along, sometimes the enemy of your enemy becomes your friend and so on. the actually trade guild managing community is small. so small its normal that people start to get to know each other and start to get along with each other or sometimes not and its normal its ending in diplomatics. i do agree sometimes that situation gets a bit "overused", but in general u cannot forbid people to befriend, as as example an officer of yours starting to like that content and building an own trade guild.
guys, get over the cartel and conglomerate stuff. even the lowest 0815 guilds in mid and low tier spots have partner guilds and keep ties to other guilds. some openly commnicate that and let other people know about that ties and get hated on then, others do it in secret. even before the first open alliance had been "announced" on pc eu, there were already multiple guilds forming friend-groups with not bidding each other. u just dont bid a guild whose gm u personally like, get over it.
I would add to all this that, in my guild, we don't bid on other kiosks because we want the spot we've maintained. We don't want to start a war. We don't want to risk losing a good spot in order to screw some other guild out a spot that's probably not much better than the one we have. It has nothing to with with alliances. We are happy where we are and don't want to mess with other guilds, period.
This system is forcing us into conflicts with other guilds that we don't want to have and wouldn't otherwise have, and would have no reason to even interact with, much less form a shadow cabal. And it still costs more.
Wow, that's crazy though, you should at least multi bid on some spots that have constant turnover or are used by guilds with no inventory. Otherwise you could be without a spot, and that can kill a guild.
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Here is how to fix it.
Add a global Ah.
Problem solved. This issue is stupid. This ah system is stupid. A reason why MMOs have a global ah.
They also have constant Inflation, from what I've heard
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Here is how to fix it.
Add a global Ah.
Problem solved. This issue is stupid. This ah system is stupid. A reason why MMOs have a global ah.
They also have constant Inflation, from what I've heard
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »But if it comes from crown selling... Are you serious ? Are you saying that some guys (and not only one or two) are ready to (and already do) spend hundreds of USD/EUR week after week after week just to keep a trader ? That sounds totally insane ! Are you assuming, or do you actually know some who do ?
If those guys (whom I'd diagnose are sick) truly exist, then I'd suggest to just leave them be, and simply live the happy life as a simple trader in one of their guilds. Because I don't see any of this changing, since it's $$$ for ZOS that goes straight into the gold sink, so I don't see ZOS acting against them...
You know - I thought the same thing back when they were debating whether it was legit to sell crowns in game. Someone said that crown selling would lead to people buying gold to pay for kiosks. I chuckled at it, scoffed at it.
But, there was actually a guy in one of these threads (please don't make me find it) who outright said he was doing it. For the one that says he's doing it, there are likely others who are doing it but not saying it.
I agree with you (contain your suprise); it's nutty.
StabbityDoom wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »i dont thinl that needs to be discussed here. guilds having partner or sister guilds is i guess pretty normal on all platforms and actually also natural. some people get along, some people do not get along, sometimes the enemy of your enemy becomes your friend and so on. the actually trade guild managing community is small. so small its normal that people start to get to know each other and start to get along with each other or sometimes not and its normal its ending in diplomatics. i do agree sometimes that situation gets a bit "overused", but in general u cannot forbid people to befriend, as as example an officer of yours starting to like that content and building an own trade guild.
guys, get over the cartel and conglomerate stuff. even the lowest 0815 guilds in mid and low tier spots have partner guilds and keep ties to other guilds. some openly commnicate that and let other people know about that ties and get hated on then, others do it in secret. even before the first open alliance had been "announced" on pc eu, there were already multiple guilds forming friend-groups with not bidding each other. u just dont bid a guild whose gm u personally like, get over it.
I would add to all this that, in my guild, we don't bid on other kiosks because we want the spot we've maintained. We don't want to start a war. We don't want to risk losing a good spot in order to screw some other guild out a spot that's probably not much better than the one we have. It has nothing to with with alliances. We are happy where we are and don't want to mess with other guilds, period.
This system is forcing us into conflicts with other guilds that we don't want to have and wouldn't otherwise have, and would have no reason to even interact with, much less form a shadow cabal. And it still costs more.
Wow, that's crazy though, you should at least multi bid on some spots that have constant turnover or are used by guilds with no inventory. Otherwise you could be without a spot, and that can kill a guild.
Oh, we are absolutely multibidding. Still lost all of them at 2.5x or more last week's bids....
But we wouldn't bid on any of those traders ever if we weren't forced to. Ever. No cabal theory needed to make us want to stay in the spot we've always been in.
And I actively resent having to mess with other guilds whose spots we don't want and whose trade we have no interest in interfering with. And with whom we might even share members. That it is downright infuriating and forcing us to punch down doesn't mean we aren't doing what we have to survive. But it sucks.
I'm doing it... /wave
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Not sure tho, thought fin quit like me and osman.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Not sure tho, thought fin quit like me and osman.
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Not sure tho, thought fin quit like me and osman.
Nope still going strong the tradelings talked me around. Hope to see you back soon
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Other evidential points of experience are listed by other contributors to this thread.
We get that you like multi-bidding, it would be wonderful to hear about things that are actually happening rather than the persistent and pervasive counterpoints of ambiguity.
Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »So basically guilds disbanded because they couldn’t get enough money for their spot that they have to have?
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »How can you even think that this doesn't happen!
the question is rather "how can you go on GMing a trading guild in the full knowledge that you're competing with people that you can never actually be competitive against, and then blame it on the multibidding system, which has nothing to do with it ?"
Not sure tho, thought fin quit like me and osman.
Nope still going strong the tradelings talked me around. Hope to see you back soon
Nope. U need to flirt to other girls now. 😜
Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »So basically guilds disbanded because they couldn’t get enough money for their spot that they have to have?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Other evidential points of experience are listed by other contributors to this thread.
We get that you like multi-bidding, it would be wonderful to hear about things that are actually happening rather than the persistent and pervasive counterpoints of ambiguity.
We get that you hate multibidding and want to collect every single opinion against it (even those which have nothing to do with the actual multibidding system), but it would be wonderful to be able to hear all testimonies and not only the ones that suit you, without you desperately trying to set your own filter onto this thread (which you've started but do not own). Thank you.
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »On you last false accusation - How have I set a filter on this thread that stops anyone sharing their positive experience of multi bidding so far?
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Again this would have been not a issue if we had global ah, and let everyone be able to sell.
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Again this would have been not a issue if we had global ah, and let everyone be able to sell.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm doing it... /wave
Are you ? For real ?
Care to explain why ?
I don't intend to tell you what to do or not to do with your own money, but I'd like to understand...
Spending your IRL money to get whatever you wnat ingame (costumes, whatever) is fine, since it's, for each item, a one-time expense. But hiring a guild trader is a weekly, evergoing expenditure.
So may I ask what's in it for you ? What "pleasure" or "entertainment" or whatever positive you find in sepnding RL money to get a trader in a game that will be mostly of use, not for yourself, but for your 499 guildies there ?
Also, do you realize it's a kind of "not playing on equal grounds" ? Something like running on steroids in a sport competition ... ?
I'm honestly curious ...
rager82b14_ESO wrote: »Again this would have been not a issue if we had global ah, and let everyone be able to sell.
So - my guild is in Mournhold, arguably one of the more desirable cities in which to sell. I currently have approximately 30 available member slots. We do not charge dues nor do we have sales minimums.
I'm sure my guild is not the only one with space, nor the only one that doesn't charge fees/minimums.
If one of your five guild spots is free, what's stopping you (or anyone) from selling?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »On you last false accusation - How have I set a filter on this thread that stops anyone sharing their positive experience of multi bidding so far?
By preventing people (or trying to) from putting their experiences into context and perspective.