For me, it is simple, if I am going to play the game on a regular basis, and loot everything like I want then not having a subscription makes the game play too cumbersome. The craft bag alone is essentially the whole reason I subscribe. Now, if I am not going to be playing every day then it might not be worth it.

At first, this game is not free - you must buy it. And you must buy mounts (Yea, this is not necessasry of course. But only horses in base game, really?), you must buy DLC (If you do not want to being binded to endless subscription), you must buy crowns to buy Skill lines (Or you will suffer if you have alts)... You must buy almost everything in Eso and must also pay a subscription to have craft bag, ability to dye costumes, increased inventory and bank space and slots for house furniture... isn't this ENOUGH for NOT free-to-play game??? Yea, and i forgot about countless bugs, lags and crashes! Nyaaa!

I used to be ESO plus, I'm not currently. For me, it just made everything smoother. Having access to all DLC, the craft bag, and extra bank and housing space really made the experience better. Work has been really busy for me lately, but I intend to sub again when I have more time.

Craft bag, I guess the DLC can't hurt too

I get ESO+ because of the extra housing slots, the craft bag and bank space. I played for a long time without ESO+ and had a system of distributing my mats between my alts, it worked well, but was getting difficult to manage. When I started to really decorate my homes, I realized how much better double the slots would be, so I decided to sub. I do not regret it, but perhaps there could be more bonuses to it, like double storage inside storage furniture or something more. So far so good.

Huyen wrote: »

Orjix wrote: »

I'm going to be the one guy that sticks his head in and screams "IM NOT" as loud as he can. i refuse to pay for anything with a subscription model, i don't use nexflix or hulu, and I dont pay for streaming services, free spotify and pandora work fine. hell, i even use a pay-as-you-go phone, if i want something i want to be able to make a one time purchase, not a fan of subscriptions.

Rent is a subscription too. Insurances as well. Heck, even the food you buy is...so why is Eso+ any different except the fact we dont really need it?

And before you go haywire on me: yes, I dont got it either.

yeah, i guess rent would be a "subscription" but its necessary, just like food and insurance. i guess i should have said that outside of the basics you pretty much have to have i don't support subscriptions. my bad.

I spend 95% of my time in Cyrodiil swearing about the lag and dealing with the poor client performance in large scale battles. I only buy plus when there's an item I want from the crown store. It makes me feel kinda dirty inside buying these items knowing that I am enabling ZOS to continue their practice of churning out the cosmetic items for sale instead of focusing on fixing the core game and network mechanics in our Cyrodiil PvP sandboxes... but atleast I look good at 15 fps.

no I am not

I dislike playing without the craft bag. There really isn't enough in new content to keep me playing so I generally only sub for 1 month a year now when the new chapter comes out and I play everything new then.

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Davor wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I'm stubborn. Cash shops are inherently bad. Paying real-world money for in-game anything is inherently bad. Their presence diminishes the game.

However, I am not a freeloader and insist on paying for the new content, development (if you want to call what they've been up to the last two years that), and server usage that I'm getting.

The game should be sub-only, but that didn't work. That's on the players. Nonetheless, I pay for what I'm getting the only way I should be paying, by subscribing.

I respectfully disagree here. While I agree Cash Shops are inherently bad. Thier presence does diminish the game. After all Zenimax thinks ESO is worthless. After all, how can you sell something that took many man/women hours to make, the salary of the people, the hydro what ever to make the game and sell it for only $12? Then something that takes one person can be sold for $100? Yea ESO is worthless to Zenimax. )

However "freeloader" shouldn't be used. This is where I respectfully disagree with you. I respect your opinion and not saying you are wrong, but I see it differently. After all if free to play games can be free to play, then server usage is not a reason for "charging" people. After all, it's the company that choose to let people play for free. That said, they have a cash shop to make up for the free part.

Why does a game that we HAVE to buy need a cash shop then? In my opinion you are either free to play with a cash shop, or buy to play with no cash shop. If anyone is the "freeloader" here it's Zenimax and Bethesda. They want both sides of the pie.

While you think the game should be sub only, I respectfully disagree. As I said already I don't find the worth to keep playing. It seem a lot of other people agree with me, so they stopped or didn't sub either. Now it's buy to play is not the onus of players as you say, but that Zenimax didn't give a reason for people to keep paying to play. So that is on Zenimax, not the players.

People who play free to play games exclusively are freeloaders, regardless. Hell, I've played free to play games and I call myself a freeloader too.

But, the problem with eso is that, when it launched with the sub, the game was pretty much unplayable. It was lacking direction and was definitely not worth the sub. (especially with other games in the market, not to mention wow in the mix as well).

Now, eso has improved in leaps and bounds (yeah theres the performance issue which I think might be its downfall yet) and for the stuff that you get as an eso+, it's well worth the price.

I just wished they had maintained a proper subscription model on top of that box price. But on hindsight, the buy-to-play model worked out really well for them.

I strongly disagree here. I respect your opinion though. For me, a company doesn't put out a game for free if you don't want people to not pay anything. Simple as that. Using the term freeloader is demeaning the gamer for no reason or fault on them. If a company wants to make money, then make a great product. Give a reason why a customer would be happy to buy something instead of seeming to be forced to buy something. So make a great product. If a customer doesn't want to give you money then that means you didn't make a great product, OR it means the game should have never been free in the first place.

So people should be forced to buy other things when they get a free coffee at McDonalds? Isn't that a way to entice people to come in and then sell more things because they want the food? That would mean that McDonalds is making a product people want as well.

So to make a free game and people to not buy anything means the company did not make a good enough product. Yes of course you will always have those people who just get the free coffee or would never buy anything no matter what, but that would mean then the game should have not been free if the company is upset that there are "freeloaders" in the game.

So anyone who does a free trial for ESO is a freeloader because they don't buy nothing in the crown store?

How about, when companies do sales? Is that people freeloading when they don't pay full price? Buy one get one free?

No, the onus is on the company to make a great product. If the product is great and people still not paying, and company is upset that no money is being given, then the game should have never been free to begin with.


I said it before it's Zenimax who is the free loader here. Asking for money to buy and have a cash shop. Saying ESO+ will give you free DLC and then change the term of DLC to story so they can ask for more money.

No, no. There are no freeloarders when a company makes millions of dollars. That means the free to play plan worked. If upset that only few players buy something and yet still make millions and complaining the rest don't pay, just means the game shouldn't have been free to play.

Just make a great product to get your millions. Funny, Bethesda Softworks has those millions but yet wants to wring the customers for more.

No wonder we have freeloarders now. We are taught we need to keep paying even when we paid. So now anytime anyone can get something for "free" people do it. Maybe companies just need to rely on making a great product instead of getting as much for as little as possible.

After all, doing this, the great name of Bethesda has been sullied, and now the name Bethesda is mudd.

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After all, is this Apex Legends here?

I do it to show my support for ESO. Plain and simple.
Have played since day one, and subbed since day one, when sub was mandatory and continued after it became B2P.

Now lets discuss that, ZoS changing to B2P......
The REAL reason ZoS left the mandatory system was because of Microsoft and Sony.
When consoles were about to be added a year after launch, they both had a sub system of their own. They would not work with each other or with ZoS and as it was, Ps4 and XBox users would have to pay 2 sub fees to play ESO.
So ZoS decided to drop the mandatory sub and offer ESO+ for those who wished to continue subbing but letting console players play without paying 2 subs.
I remember one of the 2 were willing to work with ZoS on this but the other wouldn't, but forgot which one.
So remember, ZoS did this as a kindness to console players.
Huzzah!!!

crowbartool wrote: »

I spend 95% of my time in Cyrodiil swearing about the lag and dealing with the poor client performance in large scale battles. I only buy plus when there's an item I want from the crown store. It makes me feel kinda dirty inside buying these items knowing that I am enabling ZOS to continue their practice of churning out the cosmetic items for sale instead of focusing on fixing the core game and network mechanics in our Cyrodiil PvP sandboxes... but atleast I look good at 15 fps.

I'm 24/7 in cyro and have been subscribed since day 1.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

I do it to show my support for ESO. Plain and simple.
Have played since day one, and subbed since day one, when sub was mandatory and continued after it became B2P.

Now lets discuss that, ZoS changing to B2P......
The REAL reason ZoS left the mandatory system was because of Microsoft and Sony.
When consoles were about to be added a year after launch, they both had a sub system of their own. They would not work with each other or with ZoS and as it was, Ps4 and XBox users would have to pay 2 sub fees to play ESO.
So ZoS decided to drop the mandatory sub and offer ESO+ for those who wished to continue subbing but letting console players play without paying 2 subs.
I remember one of the 2 were willing to work with ZoS on this but the other wouldn't, but forgot which one.
So remember, ZoS did this as a kindness to console players.
Huzzah!!!

No, I don't think this is the case at all. If it was, Zenimax would have gave the middle finger to Sony and or Microsoft and just stuck with PC. After all, why loose all that GUARANTEED money just to go to console?

There is a reason why WoW is not on console. Thing was, that ESO was a failure, and had to drop the sub and needed consoles for the fresh blood. I am sure Zenimax would have charged for a subscription fee if they knew they can get away with it. After all, you can get ESO+ on consoles, so that means it could have been subscription based as well.

Subscription based ESO was a failure. Simple as that. Only when One Tamriel came out is when ESO started to become good. At least for me and many others.

Because I like to be a VIP