Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
This, my friends, is why statistics are a joke. The people behind them pull this kind of crap all the time.
Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation. Ok, fine. But that comparison is worth about as much as a turd in the hand. Why? Because your damage is not contingent on how much damage someone else is taking.
So what does matter? What stat actually has value?
6 points of damage. Not 12, which is the impression you want people to have when you spin figures together like you did. Just a 6 point difference for every 100 points of damage that comes in.
That's not the case though. Using your example, someone is at 44% mitigation with no Breton passives and gets hit for 100 damage. Then they put skill points into the Breton spell resistance passive to increase mitigation to 50%, and they get hit with the same attack again. It now does close to 88 damage, which is 12% lower than the original hit of 100.
Percentage of some arbitrary unmitigated hit value is irrelevant. What people care about is the change in damage taken with or without the Breton passive, which will always be >6%. I agree with @Bladerunner1 that 9% is a pretty typical value, and at the extreme best case it could be up to 12% if reaching mitigation cap.
No, you're just trying to confuse people. The baseline is 0% mitigation. Period. How much damage per 100 damage points will you take with 44% mitigation. 56 points. How much damage will you take with 50% mitigation. 50 points.
When you start with a baseline of how much damage someone else mitigates, you just inflate the difference and give people a false impression of just how much impact their stats actually make.
The damage you take does not depend on how much damage someone else takes. Therefore such comparisons are completely, 100% meaningless. Just because I'm in a group with someone who only has 44% mitigation does not mean my 50% let me prevent 56% of the damage I took. I kinda suck at math, but even I know that's not how math works.
The only thing that matters when you compare one build to another is damage you would expect to see in combat. Here's how the math works, outlined by an awesome theorycrafter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-updated-for-morrowind-new-calculator/p1
If a Redguard needs 9% more healing than a Breton to stay alive, that information is relevant. It just so happens that Redguards can self heal more due to having more stamina, there's a lot of factors at play.
you just cant stop misleading people. 6% spell resists is 6% spell resists. let it lie man.
Well.... As a Breton you'll have increased Magicka regen which results in more Cloaks/Fears. You would also get the increased AP gained from PvP (if you decide to). Just play what you like and enjoy yourself. If you prefer the looks of a certain race then play them. If you're not worried about min/maxing then enjoy your breton stamblade
Adventurer wrote: »Well.... As a Breton you'll have increased Magicka regen which results in more Cloaks/Fears. You would also get the increased AP gained from PvP (if you decide to). Just play what you like and enjoy yourself. If you prefer the looks of a certain race then play them. If you're not worried about min/maxing then enjoy your breton stamblade
How would you get more AP from PVP? By being able to kill more people?
Moloch1514 wrote: »I'd say about 67% less effective than Redguard. That said, if you have high CP you could do almost 100% of Overland content as a solo Breton Stamblade.
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?
Adventurer wrote: »I don't have the Imperial upgrade. I'd like to play as a Breton due to lore, however I'd prefer to fight with bows/blades over a staff as I've already played a mag char with staves, so I want to try out new skills.
I was considering Redguard or a Khajiit, but RP-wise I really feel like rolling with a Breton. Right now I just plan on doing the story and public dungeons, maybe the trials eventually - but I haven't even done those on my main right now.
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?