I would not consider this an exploit.
I can create a Warden now on my account. Yet I never purchased Morrowind or purchased the skill line from the crown store. ...
May have missed it, but did ZOS add Warden to the main game
or is this your way of saying that the bug extends to both of the purchasable classes?
Warden is still showing as a purchased Class upgrade when viewing the Crown Shop from here
I think it may have been an addition to me pre-ordering Summerset. But I'm not really sure how I got access to it to be honest. Who knows, it might be a bug also.
FAQ seems to still list Warden as not being covered with ESO Plus, and does not mention Summersethttps://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/42053/~/do-i-get-the-warden-class-if-i-have-eso-plus?The Warden class is available for Crowns in the in-game Crown Store and is not included with your ESO Plus membership. You can find the Warden under Upgrades in the Class section.
but it has not been updated since February, so @ZOS_GinaBruno may want to have the team look into either updating the FAQ or checking if Warden is not facing the same bug as Necromancer
I've had access to Warden for many months now so I don't think it had anything to do with the current issue regarding necromancer. I think it was added to the Summerset package. But this exchange between you and I certainly makes the point that classes become available to players on this game through a variety of means. So for a player to assume that may have been what happened here isn't at all unreasonable.
And for a player to have that access locked if it was not validly applied to their account to begin with is not unreasonable either
if the unlock circumstances for Warden have changed and you legitimately unlocked the Class, the issue is simply ZOS and their lack of effective communication in updating things like the FAQ
if you have not legitimately unlocked the class, then you should lose further access to that content until you properly unlock said content
or, alternatively, ZOS should make it free access for everyone so that your access of it is, by its nature, no longer an exploit
SweepsAllClowns wrote: »cherryskary wrote: »Some people *only* bought Elsweyr for the necro class and want nothing to do with the rest of the chapter. That means that some people paid $30 for something that other players are getting to keep for free even though it was obtained illegally, known or not.
Correct, I'll translate this situation: Some were dumb enough to actually pay for the necromancer class, next time be patient and wait for the moment to exploit legit way, you will get rewarded! Would think this is some sarcastic joke, but it's the sad reality. Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what's the correct decision with the similar situations in the future.
I assumed this was free with the patch.
I am sure most of us thought of that. What will happen to our efforts? Why should we get banned for playing the game?
All the people trying to lynch us need to calm down. This thread should be closed as I can see bunch of smurf accounts and specific posters trolling repeatedly on every page.
ZOS already said they have hotfixed it.
How bad is it that I still wish hat I had attempted to use the first berry I bought?
I mean...I could have saved so much time instead of working (or buying) the next berries...
After all, I wouldn’t have had the mount taken off of me.
Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »Lol. Good show Zo$. You handled this correctly despite what the lynch mob wants you to believe.
I would not consider this an exploit.
I can create a Warden now on my account. Yet I never purchased Morrowind or purchased the skill line from the crown store. ...
May have missed it, but did ZOS add Warden to the main game
or is this your way of saying that the bug extends to both of the purchasable classes?
Warden is still showing as a purchased Class upgrade when viewing the Crown Shop from here
I think it may have been an addition to me pre-ordering Summerset. But I'm not really sure how I got access to it to be honest. Who knows, it might be a bug also.
FAQ seems to still list Warden as not being covered with ESO Plus, and does not mention Summersethttps://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/42053/~/do-i-get-the-warden-class-if-i-have-eso-plus?The Warden class is available for Crowns in the in-game Crown Store and is not included with your ESO Plus membership. You can find the Warden under Upgrades in the Class section.
but it has not been updated since February, so @ZOS_GinaBruno may want to have the team look into either updating the FAQ or checking if Warden is not facing the same bug as Necromancer
I've had access to Warden for many months now so I don't think it had anything to do with the current issue regarding necromancer. I think it was added to the Summerset package. But this exchange between you and I certainly makes the point that classes become available to players on this game through a variety of means. So for a player to assume that may have been what happened here isn't at all unreasonable.
And for a player to have that access locked if it was not validly applied to their account to begin with is not unreasonable either
if the unlock circumstances for Warden have changed and you legitimately unlocked the Class, the issue is simply ZOS and their lack of effective communication in updating things like the FAQ
if you have not legitimately unlocked the class, then you should lose further access to that content until you properly unlock said content
or, alternatively, ZOS should make it free access for everyone so that your access of it is, by its nature, no longer an exploit
I never said that was unreasonable. But treating it like an exploit is. And I believe our exchange has made that abundantly clear - as even you were unaware warden was unlocked through other means than buying it directly from the crown store or purchasing Morrowind. So how should other players be expected to know these things?
SweepsAllClowns wrote: »cherryskary wrote: »Some people *only* bought Elsweyr for the necro class and want nothing to do with the rest of the chapter. That means that some people paid $30 for something that other players are getting to keep for free even though it was obtained illegally, known or not.
Correct, I'll translate this situation: Some were dumb enough to actually pay for the necromancer class, next time be patient and wait for the moment to exploit legit way, you will get rewarded! Would think this is some sarcastic joke, but it's the sad reality. Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what's the correct decision with the similar situations in the future.
How bad is it that I still wish hat I had attempted to use the first berry I bought?
I mean...I could have saved so much time instead of working (or buying) the next berries...
After all, I wouldn’t have had the mount taken off of me.
Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.
They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.
I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”
VaranisArano wrote: »...
Even if ZOS doesnt lock the characters, what you and everyone else who got the necromancer without Elsweyr ought to do is buy Elsweyr. Failing that, buy the Necromancer Class when it releases in a year regardless of whether or not ZOS "makes" you do it. That would be the right and honorable thing to do.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.
They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.
I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”
Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.
Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.
They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.
I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”
Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.
Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.
It’s funny you think I’d give crap about fake currency that has almost no use at max level. I didn’t when people got dozens of CP from IC, which is far less impactful than being able to make a new character. I don’t care that people got to make a necromancer without having to pay for a bogus chapter with less content than even Wrothgar offered. I’m happy for those players that can try out the new class without being ripped off.
I assumed this was free with the patch.
I am sure most of us thought of that. What will happen to our efforts? Why should we get banned for playing the game?
All the people trying to lynch us need to calm down. This thread should be closed as I can see bunch of smurf accounts and specific posters trolling repeatedly on every page.
ZOS already said they have hotfixed it.
Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.
They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.
I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”
Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.
Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.
It’s funny you think I’d give crap about fake currency that has almost no use at max level. I didn’t when people got dozens of CP from IC, which is far less impactful than being able to make a new character. I don’t care that people got to make a necromancer without having to pay for a bogus chapter with less content than even Wrothgar offered. I’m happy for those players that can try out the new class without being ripped off.
Yes, 1 million gold, I didn’t word that right did I...I actually meant ‘one thousand million’ depending where you’re looking at it from its ‘one trillion’ which I bet you’d care just a little about since it would take a lot longer to make.
Now, you might not care about this game getting the support for the items it sells, but I find it interesting that you care enough that these people still get to ‘try it out’. I suspect that you’re no longer playing this game, not having paid for anything anyway, which makes me question, that if what happens to or supports this game is of no matter to you, why are you haunting the forums, little ghost?
You’re assuming the majority of those people have in depth knowledge of the crown store and forums. What happens to the guy who thought they made it free because he had eso plus. Now he has the chance of getting his character deleted because there is no communication from the developer that it’s a bug.VaranisArano wrote: »OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.
On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?
For that matter, Crown Store purchases?
I mean, players ought to know better than to expect to keep their necromancer if they didnt pay for Elsweyr.
Sandman929 wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Never said you had to agree. Take it easy.
zParallaxz wrote: »You’re assuming the majority of those people have in depth knowledge of the crown store and forums. What happens to the guy who thought they made it free because he had eso plus. Now he has the chance of getting his character deleted because there is no communication from the developer that it’s a bug.VaranisArano wrote: »OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.
On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?
For that matter, Crown Store purchases?
I mean, players ought to know better than to expect to keep their necromancer if they didnt pay for Elsweyr.
zParallaxz wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Never said you had to agree. Take it easy.
You could call it karma for charging for dlc labeled as a “chapter” to get around giving it to people with eso plus. Sucks to suck but at the same time I’m not going to pretend Zos couldn’t of prevented it. They better offer compensation to the people who got the character and sunk their time into it.
All exploits are a mistake on game devs' end... because some overlooked aspect of the game allows for unusual behaviors that weren't intended to work that way. That still doesn't make exploiting okay.sorry, but if it is a mistake on ZOSs end the players should NOT be punish, and should be allowed to keep their toons. If the game had the function "bug" whatever in it players should not be punished for using it. Yes, I own elsweyr,
What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experienceZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?
If a store leaves their doors open and you take an item that you didn't pay for, making you put the item back or making you pay for it if you want to keep it isn't a punishment. Going to jail because you're a thief who should have known better than to take stuff you didn't pay for would be punishment.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experienceZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?
Welcome to the real world where answers aren't black and white or perfect. The best solution is to let people keep their characters because every day there are new players and every day people create new characters. A lot of people play the game. Why would a new player to the game know all the classes that are supposed to be available? It is far more important to not frustrate the people who didn't know any better than to penalize those who jump on to exploit.
You are choosing to only consider the impact on encouraging exploiters. That is only one consideration. Especially for something like this that is so easy to do without realizing it is an exploit. Isn't it a free ESO+ trial? As far as they know, it is part of the trial, just like access to DLC skill line--which you get to keep after the trial is over.
zParallaxz wrote: »What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experienceZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?
Stop whining man, your supposed to be supporting your fellow gamer. Not trying to get their character disabled because they got something for free while you paid for it. It’s not the consumers fault, it’s on Zos.