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People without Elsweyr are creating and playing with Necromancers

  • Jeremy
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    Samadhi wrote: »
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    I would not consider this an exploit.

    I can create a Warden now on my account. Yet I never purchased Morrowind or purchased the skill line from the crown store. ...

    May have missed it, but did ZOS add Warden to the main game
    or is this your way of saying that the bug extends to both of the purchasable classes?

    Warden is still showing as a purchased Class upgrade when viewing the Crown Shop from here

    I think it may have been an addition to me pre-ordering Summerset. But I'm not really sure how I got access to it to be honest. Who knows, it might be a bug also.

    FAQ seems to still list Warden as not being covered with ESO Plus, and does not mention Summerset
    The Warden class is available for Crowns in the in-game Crown Store and is not included with your ESO Plus membership. You can find the Warden under Upgrades in the Class section.
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/42053/~/do-i-get-the-warden-class-if-i-have-eso-plus?

    but it has not been updated since February, so @ZOS_GinaBruno may want to have the team look into either updating the FAQ or checking if Warden is not facing the same bug as Necromancer

    I've had access to Warden for many months now so I don't think it had anything to do with the current issue regarding necromancer. I think it was added to the Summerset package. But this exchange between you and I certainly makes the point that classes become available to players on this game through a variety of means. So for a player to assume that may have been what happened here isn't at all unreasonable.

    And for a player to have that access locked if it was not validly applied to their account to begin with is not unreasonable either

    if the unlock circumstances for Warden have changed and you legitimately unlocked the Class, the issue is simply ZOS and their lack of effective communication in updating things like the FAQ

    if you have not legitimately unlocked the class, then you should lose further access to that content until you properly unlock said content

    or, alternatively, ZOS should make it free access for everyone so that your access of it is, by its nature, no longer an exploit

    I never said that was unreasonable. But treating it like an exploit is. And I believe our exchange has made that abundantly clear - as even you were unaware warden was unlocked through other means than buying it directly from the crown store or purchasing Morrowind. So how should other players be expected to know these things?
    Edited by Jeremy on August 12, 2019 9:28PM
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    lol
  • Saelent
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    Some people *only* bought Elsweyr for the necro class and want nothing to do with the rest of the chapter. That means that some people paid $30 for something that other players are getting to keep for free even though it was obtained illegally, known or not.

    Correct, I'll translate this situation: Some were dumb enough to actually pay for the necromancer class, next time be patient and wait for the moment to exploit legit way, you will get rewarded! Would think this is some sarcastic joke, but it's the sad reality. Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what's the correct decision with the similar situations in the future.

    How bad is it that I still wish hat I had attempted to use the first berry I bought?
    I mean...I could have saved so much time instead of working (or buying) the next berries...
    After all, I wouldn’t have had the mount taken off of me.
  • VaranisArano
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    bakermir wrote: »
    I assumed this was free with the patch.

    I am sure most of us thought of that. What will happen to our efforts? Why should we get banned for playing the game?

    All the people trying to lynch us need to calm down. This thread should be closed as I can see bunch of smurf accounts and specific posters trolling repeatedly on every page.

    ZOS already said they have hotfixed it.

    I'll accept that newer players who don't understand the Chapter model (I.e. you can buy the class a year later) might have made that faulty assumption.

    However, if you didnt know beforehand, now you do.

    Now you know that you got paid content for free. Assuming that ZOS was going to charge the same amount as for the Warden, you just got 1500 crowns worth 9 months early.

    Hopefully, you understand why the players who paid for a year's access to Necromancer before it goes into the Crown Store are a little annoyed that ZOS is letting this slide without requiring players who assumed to pay for their access to Necromancer.

    Even if ZOS doesnt lock the characters, what you and everyone else who got the necromancer without Elsweyr ought to do is buy Elsweyr. Failing that, buy the Necromancer Class when it releases in a year regardless of whether or not ZOS "makes" you do it. That would be the right and honorable thing to do.
  • SweepsAllClowns
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    Saelent wrote: »
    How bad is it that I still wish hat I had attempted to use the first berry I bought?
    I mean...I could have saved so much time instead of working (or buying) the next berries...
    After all, I wouldn’t have had the mount taken off of me.

    Don't worry few berries isn't really so bad yet, I've lost count how many events I've missed past 5 months while my account has been stuck, this is probably fifth event now during that time period, there's been quite many missed tickets.
  • Daedric_NB_187
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    Lol. Good show Zo$. You handled this correctly despite what the lynch mob wants you to believe.
  • Saelent
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    Lol. Good show Zo$. You handled this correctly despite what the lynch mob wants you to believe.

    Now this is annoying me...
    I like how ‘Lynch mob’ is now the term people use to shame those who don’t want them to have what they don’t deserve. Yes, it is a game, but I and many people bought it with real money because we wanted access, you lot got it anyway. I will proudly stand as one of the ‘Lynch mob’ and say that if you didn’t pay for it in one form or another, you shouldn’t damn well have it.
    Cheaters get banned, exploiters get items removed, accidental exploiters (you lot) shouldn’t have access to the characters your created until you buy the content you skipped out on.
  • Samadhi
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »
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    I would not consider this an exploit.

    I can create a Warden now on my account. Yet I never purchased Morrowind or purchased the skill line from the crown store. ...

    May have missed it, but did ZOS add Warden to the main game
    or is this your way of saying that the bug extends to both of the purchasable classes?

    Warden is still showing as a purchased Class upgrade when viewing the Crown Shop from here

    I think it may have been an addition to me pre-ordering Summerset. But I'm not really sure how I got access to it to be honest. Who knows, it might be a bug also.

    FAQ seems to still list Warden as not being covered with ESO Plus, and does not mention Summerset
    The Warden class is available for Crowns in the in-game Crown Store and is not included with your ESO Plus membership. You can find the Warden under Upgrades in the Class section.
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/42053/~/do-i-get-the-warden-class-if-i-have-eso-plus?

    but it has not been updated since February, so @ZOS_GinaBruno may want to have the team look into either updating the FAQ or checking if Warden is not facing the same bug as Necromancer

    I've had access to Warden for many months now so I don't think it had anything to do with the current issue regarding necromancer. I think it was added to the Summerset package. But this exchange between you and I certainly makes the point that classes become available to players on this game through a variety of means. So for a player to assume that may have been what happened here isn't at all unreasonable.

    And for a player to have that access locked if it was not validly applied to their account to begin with is not unreasonable either

    if the unlock circumstances for Warden have changed and you legitimately unlocked the Class, the issue is simply ZOS and their lack of effective communication in updating things like the FAQ

    if you have not legitimately unlocked the class, then you should lose further access to that content until you properly unlock said content

    or, alternatively, ZOS should make it free access for everyone so that your access of it is, by its nature, no longer an exploit

    I never said that was unreasonable. But treating it like an exploit is. And I believe our exchange has made that abundantly clear - as even you were unaware warden was unlocked through other means than buying it directly from the crown store or purchasing Morrowind. So how should other players be expected to know these things?

    It was an exploit by definition tho, hence ZOS acting to hotfix it out

    you can fairly argue whether or not it should be treated as one, do not personally care about that angle, ZOS has already come down as saying they won't penalize accounts for it, so it is not worth my energy to try and claim they should

    you already seem to agree with me that the treatment of this issue on a case by case basis is that it is reasonable to lock access to the characters until they are properly unlocked tho
    this would not be an act of penalization tho, players could still buy the upgrade and resume play
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    Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.

    They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.

    I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”

    Edited by Jhalin on August 12, 2019 9:57PM
  • Samadhi
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    Saelent wrote: »
    Some people *only* bought Elsweyr for the necro class and want nothing to do with the rest of the chapter. That means that some people paid $30 for something that other players are getting to keep for free even though it was obtained illegally, known or not.

    Correct, I'll translate this situation: Some were dumb enough to actually pay for the necromancer class, next time be patient and wait for the moment to exploit legit way, you will get rewarded! Would think this is some sarcastic joke, but it's the sad reality. Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what's the correct decision with the similar situations in the future.

    How bad is it that I still wish hat I had attempted to use the first berry I bought?
    I mean...I could have saved so much time instead of working (or buying) the next berries...
    After all, I wouldn’t have had the mount taken off of me.

    in the future tho, we now know we can
    personally only intended to get the white mount
    but if having had interest in the black mount, totally could have bought the single berry and then proceeded to use the other events this season to get another nascent
    Edited by Samadhi on August 12, 2019 10:06PM
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.

    They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.

    I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”

    Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
    But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.
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    ...
    Even if ZOS doesnt lock the characters, what you and everyone else who got the necromancer without Elsweyr ought to do is buy Elsweyr. Failing that, buy the Necromancer Class when it releases in a year regardless of whether or not ZOS "makes" you do it. That would be the right and honorable thing to do.

    Don't worry, this show of goodwill on the part of ZOS will encourage others who have not bought the Chapter yet to go ahead and buy the chapter in support of how glad they are that a handful of players were able to grab free access to this content
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
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    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.

    Right. So you are happy for people to spend hundreds of pounds or dollars for a slim chance to get a mount they really want, and on the other hand you are handing out for free a class some of us paid £60 for a few months ago.

    Who makes these decisions? I wouldn't suggest banning or deleting characters, but those who did take advantage should have to buy the new chapter to CONTINUE to play with said character. How else is it going to be fair for everybody?



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    Saelent wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.

    They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.

    I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”

    Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
    But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.

    Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.

    It’s funny you think I’d give crap about fake currency that has almost no use at max level. I didn’t when people got dozens of CP from IC, which is far less impactful than being able to make a new character. I don’t care that people got to make a necromancer without having to pay for a bogus chapter with less content than even Wrothgar offered. I’m happy for those players that can try out the new class without being ripped off.
    Edited by Jhalin on August 12, 2019 10:11PM
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    for real tho do either @Azorean or @bakermir have any concrete insights into whether the exploited characters are still playable?

    cutting my subscription and no longer worrying about chapters come 2020 could mean roughly an extra gram or two of medicinal cannabis per month
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  • Saelent
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    Saelent wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.

    They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.

    I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”

    Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
    But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.

    Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.

    It’s funny you think I’d give crap about fake currency that has almost no use at max level. I didn’t when people got dozens of CP from IC, which is far less impactful than being able to make a new character. I don’t care that people got to make a necromancer without having to pay for a bogus chapter with less content than even Wrothgar offered. I’m happy for those players that can try out the new class without being ripped off.

    Yes, 1 million gold, I didn’t word that right did I...I actually meant ‘one thousand million’ depending where you’re looking at it from its ‘one trillion’ which I bet you’d care just a little about since it would take a lot longer to make.

    Now, you might not care about this game getting the support for the items it sells, but I find it interesting that you care enough that these people still get to ‘try it out’. I suspect that you’re no longer playing this game, not having paid for anything anyway, which makes me question, that if what happens to or supports this game is of no matter to you, why are you haunting the forums, little ghost?
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    sorry, but if it is a mistake on ZOSs end the players should NOT be punish, and should be allowed to keep their toons. If the game had the function "bug" whatever in it players should not be punished for using it. Yes, I own elsweyr,
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    bakermir wrote: »
    I assumed this was free with the patch.

    I am sure most of us thought of that. What will happen to our efforts? Why should we get banned for playing the game?

    All the people trying to lynch us need to calm down. This thread should be closed as I can see bunch of smurf accounts and specific posters trolling repeatedly on every page.

    ZOS already said they have hotfixed it.

    Say that’s all legit, what is wrong with locking the character until you pay for it the correct way?
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  • SweepsAllClowns
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    Jhalin wrote: »
    Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.

    That isn't true for anyone, it's impossible to make even 1 gold with my account.

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    Saelent wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Saelent wrote: »
    Jhalin wrote: »
    Imagine screwing up your own game this badly and then your community tries to insist it’s the players’ fault that through completely ordinary means they got some benefit.

    They didn’t go scheming around hacking the game. They didn’t glitch into a wall to go snipe a boss. It was nothing different than usual, they were given the option to create a character, they made a character.

    I’m sick and fkin tired of this community trying to lynch players for daring to benefit from something the game hands to them. Meanwhile all the *** show going on with performance and they say “have you called your ISP? Is your PC a potato?”

    Well I’m sick a ‘fkin’ tired of people trying to use the excuse of ‘this game is bugged anyway’ to keep whatever they got by illegitimate means. What if I got the PTS gold? Would I want to keep it? Hell yes, but would I expect it to be removed? HELL YES.
    But hey, it’s a bug and this game is bugged? But I’d bet you’d be one of the people complaining if I had a free 1000k in my inventory.

    Why would I care? A million gold isn’t hard to make, on top of that, there’s nothing to use that gold on I couldn’t get myself. The same is true for anyone.

    It’s funny you think I’d give crap about fake currency that has almost no use at max level. I didn’t when people got dozens of CP from IC, which is far less impactful than being able to make a new character. I don’t care that people got to make a necromancer without having to pay for a bogus chapter with less content than even Wrothgar offered. I’m happy for those players that can try out the new class without being ripped off.

    Yes, 1 million gold, I didn’t word that right did I...I actually meant ‘one thousand million’ depending where you’re looking at it from its ‘one trillion’ which I bet you’d care just a little about since it would take a lot longer to make.

    Now, you might not care about this game getting the support for the items it sells, but I find it interesting that you care enough that these people still get to ‘try it out’. I suspect that you’re no longer playing this game, not having paid for anything anyway, which makes me question, that if what happens to or supports this game is of no matter to you, why are you haunting the forums, little ghost?

    I log in to do a daily, check if guildies need help, if they don’t I leave, because there is nothing to do in this game anymore. I’ve played every class, done every role, finished every trial, completed literally every single quest in the game.

    And no, I still wouldn’t care if you had 100 million gold, I wouldn’t care if you have 100 billion gold. The amount is meaningless. I’ve bought every DLC, bought the chapters, and I regret giving ZOS a dime. They prove time and time again they have absolutely no priority on bugs unless it’s beneficial to players.

    Anything else? Meh, why not make us wait another 6 months, then maybe they’ll try to fix it.
  • zParallaxz
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    Dojohoda wrote: »
    OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.

    On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?

    For that matter, Crown Store purchases?

    I mean, players ought to know better than to expect to keep their necromancer if they didnt pay for Elsweyr.
    You’re assuming the majority of those people have in depth knowledge of the crown store and forums. What happens to the guy who thought they made it free because he had eso plus. Now he has the chance of getting his character deleted because there is no communication from the developer that it’s a bug.
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    Sandman929 wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Never said you had to agree. Take it easy.


    You could call it karma for charging for dlc labeled as a “chapter” to get around giving it to people with eso plus. Sucks to suck but at the same time I’m not going to pretend Zos couldn’t of prevented it. They better offer compensation to the people who got the character and sunk their time into it.
    Edited by zParallaxz on August 12, 2019 10:35PM
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Heard of this guy that doesn't own Elsweyr riding around on a Onyx Indrik with a level 11 Necromancer. How Sway?
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    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

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    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion

  • Samadhi
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.

    On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?

    For that matter, Crown Store purchases?

    I mean, players ought to know better than to expect to keep their necromancer if they didnt pay for Elsweyr.
    You’re assuming the majority of those people have in depth knowledge of the crown store and forums. What happens to the guy who thought they made it free because he had eso plus. Now he has the chance of getting his character deleted because there is no communication from the developer that it’s a bug.

    no, @ZOS_GinaBruno already stated there will be no deletes

    at this point, legitimate players are just hoping for the reasonable action of access to the characters having been locked until they are properly unlocked
    "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Never said you had to agree. Take it easy.


    You could call it karma for charging for dlc labeled as a “chapter” to get around giving it to people with eso plus. Sucks to suck but at the same time I’m not going to pretend Zos couldn’t of prevented it. They better offer compensation to the people who got the character and sunk their time into it.

    Would be better compensating those who paid for the chapter, if those who illegitimately created necromancers get to keep them without issue.
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    Orjix wrote: »
    sorry, but if it is a mistake on ZOSs end the players should NOT be punish, and should be allowed to keep their toons. If the game had the function "bug" whatever in it players should not be punished for using it. Yes, I own elsweyr,
    All exploits are a mistake on game devs' end... because some overlooked aspect of the game allows for unusual behaviors that weren't intended to work that way. That still doesn't make exploiting okay.

    Banning players for using an exploit = punishment.
    Removing the items/currency/classes people gained through an exploit = rectifying a bug. It's not a punishment.
    Locking the items/currency/classes people gained through an exploit until they pay = also not a punishment.

    If a store leaves their doors open and you take an item that you didn't pay for, making you put the item back or making you pay for it if you want to keep it isn't a punishment. Going to jail because you're a thief who should have known better than to take stuff you didn't pay for would be punishment.
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    Samadhi wrote: »
    bakermir wrote: »
    What do you mean "bug"?


    I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.

    well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experience :)
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.

    locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
    or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?

    Stop whining man, your supposed to be supporting your fellow gamer. Not trying to get their character disabled because they got something for free while you paid for it. It’s not the consumers fault, it’s on Zos.
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    bluebird wrote: »
    If a store leaves their doors open and you take an item that you didn't pay for, making you put the item back or making you pay for it if you want to keep it isn't a punishment. Going to jail because you're a thief who should have known better than to take stuff you didn't pay for would be punishment.

    If a store leaves their doors open with a sign that says “take one” above an assortment of items, should someone who takes one be convicted of stealing?

    It said take one, but didn’t explicitly say “not that one” or “leave a dollar behind”, so who would try to cry foul if someone takes what was implied to be free?

    That’s how this “exploit” went down. The game said chose a class, with no indication of exclusions on the ones presented as valid options to the player.
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »
    bakermir wrote: »
    What do you mean "bug"?


    I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.

    well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experience :)
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.

    locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
    or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?

    Welcome to the real world where answers aren't black and white or perfect. The best solution is to let people keep their characters because every day there are new players and every day people create new characters. A lot of people play the game. Why would a new player to the game know all the classes that are supposed to be available? It is far more important to not frustrate the people who didn't know any better than to penalize those who jump on to exploit.

    You are choosing to only consider the impact on encouraging exploiters. That is only one consideration. Especially for something like this that is so easy to do without realizing it is an exploit. Isn't it a free ESO+ trial? As far as they know, it is part of the trial, just like access to DLC skill line--which you get to keep after the trial is over.

    The fact that this dude is trying to police players for Zos is hilarious.
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    Samadhi wrote: »
    bakermir wrote: »
    What do you mean "bug"?


    I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.

    well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experience :)
    Nifty2g wrote: »
    Sandman929 wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...

    Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
    Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.

    Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.

    locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
    or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?

    Stop whining man, your supposed to be supporting your fellow gamer. Not trying to get their character disabled because they got something for free while you paid for it. It’s not the consumers fault, it’s on Zos.

    No one signed a TOS that stated the forums were for supporting a fellow gamer.
    No one bought an expansion to give it to someone else for free.
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