Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
JamieAubrey wrote: »Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
Damn skippy but I can't wait for the " I withdrew 2 million gold on my Necro and you guys deleted it" Threads
Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
People can definitely do that without it being an intentional exploit. Many people don't read up on changes to the game. For example, one day, some people didn't have access to BGs. Then, all of a sudden, they did.
January1171 wrote: »Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
The main thing I can imagine is a new player/player with no knowledge of Elsweyr or the game. They go to create a toon, and see an option for a necro among the classes, so they just pick that.
I also think there are people who would legit think ZOS just made the necro class part of the base game. In my experience, if there is a misunderstanding that can occur someone will misunderstand it.
Most people should realize this was a bug though
Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.
On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?
Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
I would never take a position where the argument is based off of ZOS' generosity lol. I just don't consider creating the class in itself an exploit. Only the steps taken to get to the point of being able to create the class.
As far as I know people logged in, saw they could create the necromancer, and created one. I don't consider that exploiting as they were playing normally for all intents and purposes. Now, if there are specific steps being taken that don't fall into normal gameplay patterns (e.g., logging in and out 3 times within 10 seconds), then I would consider this an exploit.
And in a general sense, there are issues with gameplay design, performance, and monetization that are much higher on my list of things to be frustrated about. A couple of people accessing the necromancer class through a bug on ZOS' end just does not concern me in the slightest.
I will concede that I would be upset if ZOS decided to make Elsewyr a free update going forward because of this bug.
Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
I would never take a position where the argument is based off of ZOS' generosity lol. I just don't consider creating the class in itself an exploit. Only the steps taken to get to the point of being able to create the class.
As far as I know people logged in, saw they could create the necromancer, and created one. I don't consider that exploiting as they were playing normally for all intents and purposes. Now, if there are specific steps being taken that don't fall into normal gameplay patterns (e.g., logging in and out 3 times within 10 seconds), then I would consider this an exploit.
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And in a general sense, there are issues with gameplay design, performance, and monetization that are much higher on my list of things to be frustrated about. A couple of people accessing the necromancer class through a bug on ZOS' end just does not concern me in the slightest.
I will concede that I would be upset if ZOS decided to make Elsewyr a free update going forward because of this bug.
What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
OUCH That is a sticky mess bug.
On the topic of deleting unauthorized necromancers- (if deleting) Will the inventory on those necros also get deleted?
There is nothing unauthorized about it. Someone in Zenimax said release it, and so it was release AUTHORIZED. Not our fault Zenimax just like Bethesda don't do any QA or listen to their QA team. Once released it is intended. If a mistake was made, then it shouldn't have been authorized for release.
So there is no unauthorized necromancers. They are all LEGAL since Zenimax authorized the release. Simple as that.
Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
January1171 wrote: »Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
The main thing I can imagine is a new player/player with no knowledge of Elsweyr or the game. They go to create a toon, and see an option for a necro among the classes, so they just pick that.
I also think there are people who would legit think ZOS just made the necro class part of the base game. In my experience, if there is a misunderstanding that can occur someone will misunderstand it.
Most people should realize this was a bug though
fortunately tho, in such circumstances of legitimately new players,
ZOS is going to be able to see a newly created account accessing the class compared to a month+ account familiar with Elsweyr being locked accessing this class
What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I'm not going to be mad at someone getting free access to the necromancer class if they didn't intentionally exploit. Good for them. ...
Is there any way to knowingly create a character class that you never purchased legitimate access to, and not be intentionally exploiting?
like...are you taking the position that someone is going to meaningfully attempt to argue that they thought the new patch simply gave everyone access to the latest locked class just because ZOS is so generous?
I would never take a position where the argument is based off of ZOS' generosity lol. I just don't consider creating the class in itself an exploit. Only the steps taken to get to the point of being able to create the class.
As far as I know people logged in, saw they could create the necromancer, and created one. I don't consider that exploiting as they were playing normally for all intents and purposes. Now, if there are specific steps being taken that don't fall into normal gameplay patterns (e.g., logging in and out 3 times within 10 seconds), then I would consider this an exploit.
And in a general sense, there are issues with gameplay design, performance, and monetization that are much higher on my list of things to be frustrated about. A couple of people accessing the necromancer class through a bug on ZOS' end just does not concern me in the slightest.
I will concede that I would be upset if ZOS decided to make Elsewyr a free update going forward because of this bug.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?
VaranisArano wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
On the one hand, I get it. It was ZOS' mistake, and its nice for the few people who might have possibly innocently thought Necros were free to have their character.
On the other hand, its disappointing, because honestly, there were lots of experienced players who should have known better and who just got away with exploiting a major bug.
Oh I agree, but I also guarantee that if they do that people who created unauthorized necromancers are going to be mad anyway. Especially if they bought crown store upgrades for those necromancers, or inventory upgrades, etc.January1171 wrote: »Oh, fixing this is going to be ugly. If they delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then those people are going to be pissed. If they don't delete necromancer characters that were created by people who don't own Elsweyr then people who bought Elsweyr primarily for the necromancer class are going to be pissed.
I mean, it really doesn't matter what the people who created necromancers without owning Elsweyr think. It's in the TOS to not "Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax; "
ZOS is 100% within their legal rights to delete those characters
They should know better, but that doesn't mean that people will actually take responsibility for doing something that they should have known not to do.
What do you mean "bug"?
I just created and invested so much in my necromancer, I assumed this was free with new patch as a feature.
well, hopefully when you pay to unlock access to the class you will be able to continue on with your experienceZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes temp banning players who are returning and havent played the game for awhile and don't know that necromancers are part of paid content. Smart.Sandman929 wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see what ZOS does...
Delete the toons and temp ban the accounts. Might seem severe but I'm not a fan of the "my exploiting is ZOS's fault" attitude.
Just to confirm, we won't be deleting the characters or banning accounts for this.
locking access to characters for people who have not purchased at the very least?
or is this going to be another example of you guys telling us that as long as we exploit fast and quiet it will be allowed going forward as it has been in the past?
I would not consider this an exploit.
I can create a Warden now on my account. Yet I never purchased Morrowind or purchased the skill line from the crown store. ...
lordrichter wrote: »So, is this sanctioned until they fix it? I have an account without Elswey (yet) that can benefit from this.... what to do....