More like disenterested in the healer class now.
God helps who plays healers after the patch, be ready for the QQ in your trial group.

Peekachu99 wrote: »

danara wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Circle of Preservation is cool. More Stamina/ tank heal options.

@Peekachu99

It is a spell that cost stamina but the healing power is the same as the other magicka spell (scale with max magicka and spell power), this mean that it is à magicka healer spell that cost stamina.

In no case it is stamina healer spell, and it is even worst for tank

If it’s a stamina ability, it should scale with max Stam and weapon damage. Have you confirmed what you’re suggesting via PTS?

Edit: confirmed in this thread with videos and screenshots that it does, indeed, scale with stamina and weapon damage:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/484027/fighters-guild-circle-of-protection-ring-of-preservation-healing-morph

@Peekachu99

Well, in the patch note they say "the heal is based on our AOE HOT standard" ... Considering there is no aoe stamina healing spell...ZOS should be more clear..

Anyway, ty to let me know !

Do you think stamina healer is a thing ?

What spell do they have ? Circle of Protection, viguor, any other ?

What about the stuff ? Hircine should be well suited i guess ?

But what Kind of buff do they provide to a team ? I supposed that debuff are easy to have with stam build ? (never played stamina build de i dont like it)

Thanks

Nothing as my dedicated healers will only be relevant in trials they are not going to be doing much. My sorc healer will probably be converted to DPS and my DK to tank.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Since the Orb change means that several people can activate the synergy on the orbs, you aren't required to spam anymore (thus pretty much nulifying the detriment of only having one), this will result in an effective sustain buff for healers.

And since you don't have to spam orbs, you have more time to cast other spells as well.

It's not nullifying the detriment of only having one.
In many cases, tank and DDs (and offtank and second DD stack...) have to be spread out, so you should send out an orb to the tank and a few to the DDs. That won't be possible any more, so unless you're a Templar, you have to let one part of your group hang dry.

The point with "cast other spells" is:
Which ones?
Healers, like everyone else, have limited bar space. There isn't really any slot that isn't already in use now; maybe someone still runs Inner Light or something but that's it.

I am exited to see stamina dds use echoing vigor cause this change lul

Vercingetorix wrote: »

People will always complain when faced with change that forces a departure from the familiar. This is an opportunity to improve your healing skill and make the role more dynamic. Frankly, the people complaining about the change are ultimately going to keep playing the game - they'll adapt and life will go on (or they'll quit and other will take their place).

Blunt for a second here, as upset as I am about these changes as a healer, I can't exactly quit the game as a whole. There's very few other MMOs that are not only thriving but still even have the lights on, and even though this patch is a PvE disaster... I'm already in ESO because I quite loathe most of the slim selection of other MMOs. And even if something sweepingly fantastic comes out (It's not, most of the currently announced MMOs for like the next 5 years are nothing vastly new), then it would take that game a few more years to mature into the actual appeal of MMOs: Some giant monstrosity that's been built up over a lot of time and has a crazy amount of content covering a variety of things. (You know, beyond being a chat box with cool characters you dress up and run around as. There's a lot of stuff for that that doesn't have a game attached, so it does the paper doll and chat box better.)
And let's be fair, ESO does a really good job with a lot of other things. It's an appealing looking game while having widely easily accessible machine requirements. It has the best housing of currently live MMOs, unless you're (pick a game news site) and somehow don't understand genres. (Survival isn't an MMO... It's an M short.) They have a robust cash shop, without being exploitative and punishing to their player base. Yes, I've seen peoples complaints, but I'm also intimate with the irl game market around this stuff... I'm not sure we're allowed to go too far into that on these forums, but it's really not bad as long as you weren't expecting to be given a great experience for free. The community here is pretty fantastic. We get angry about stuff because we're passionate, but at least we're not toxic and slinging base insults at each other all day.

But less about ESO's place in gaming.
First off, these changes do not make healing more dynamic. One orb and one springs actually removes dynamic play, and gives us something closer to a fixed rotation.
I do absolutely agree that too many healers were spamming springs/orbs and didn't understand the rest of what we were actually doing, but Springs was spammed because it was effective and in some content absolutely necessary. And we have not been given tools to replace the necessity. Orbs was also spammed so that it could function, but most people did spam more orbs than were needed. I have mixed feelings about this change, because while it's certainly convenient to only put out one orb, I can no longer send them everywhere that they need to go unless it happens to be a boss where you just stack in one little ball for the whole fight. Also, I enjoyed the damage morph for dungeons, but as a healer that morph is not even an option anymore. (Granted, it's been non-meta since the damage version stopped giving more resources.) I guess it might see some use on DPS who slot the skill for the tank, since healers are about to be extremely unpopular.

To "departure from the familiar"... Springs has existed basically as it currently is for the entire life of this game up until now. Because of how unique it is among healing in games, and how integral it has been to this game, it has formed the identity of healing in ESO. Those of us who heal, and to some extent who have played this game at all, have been in this game for years because we like that identity. Yes, we use a lot of other skills too, and they are important to us as well. But Springs is part of the backbone, together with Combat Prayer and Orbs. Frankly, we're being told to play a "different" game with this patch, and that game looks rather like other games. Either because people are quitting, or because this game is changing to be more like other games. The uniqueness, what made ESO into ESO instead of just some clone of whatever other game, is being chipped away. A bit of change is fine and sometimes even great (Remember One Tamriel? Monumental change, and completely amazing), but a drastic restructuring that no one wanted, that's creating problems, that's isn't solving problems ... This is not fine.

What I like: orbs with multiple synergies, Warden’s Healing Seed change

What I don’t like: literally everything else.

I have no idea how anyone is going to pass big healing checks in vet level trials after watching Nefa’s PTS review. Also, having a (slow, empty) rotation? Blegh. There’s a reason I don’t play DPS.

I like how team-centered healing is. You have to know exactly where everyone is, if you’ve buffed them, and how their resources are holding. You have to watch bosses/listen for call outs to know when big mechanics are coming so you can predict where to put AoE heals. And you have to manage your own stuff, debuff enemies, and avoid one shots just like everyone else.

Healing is fun because it’s like herding cats. Cats that keep standing in red circles. Cats that whine when they run out of stamina. No fight is ever the same twice, because people don’t do the same things over and over again.This is more interesting to me than parsing 90k damage will ever be.

Heck, I just like helping other people. But Todd forbid if I send out more than one orb at a time. /s

Lilly_Elessa wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

People will always complain when faced with change that forces a departure from the familiar. This is an opportunity to improve your healing skill and make the role more dynamic. Frankly, the people complaining about the change are ultimately going to keep playing the game - they'll adapt and life will go on (or they'll quit and other will take their place).

Blunt for a second here, as upset as I am about these changes as a healer, I can't exactly quit the game as a whole. There's very few other MMOs that are not only thriving but still even have the lights on, and even though this patch is a PvE disaster... I'm already in ESO because I quite loathe most of the slim selection of other MMOs. And even if something sweepingly fantastic comes out (It's not, most of the currently announced MMOs for like the next 5 years are nothing vastly new), then it would take that game a few more years to mature into the actual appeal of MMOs: Some giant monstrosity that's been built up over a lot of time and has a crazy amount of content covering a variety of things. (You know, beyond being a chat box with cool characters you dress up and run around as. There's a lot of stuff for that that doesn't have a game attached, so it does the paper doll and chat box better.)
And let's be fair, ESO does a really good job with a lot of other things. It's an appealing looking game while having widely easily accessible machine requirements. It has the best housing of currently live MMOs, unless you're (pick a game news site) and somehow don't understand genres. (Survival isn't an MMO... It's an M short.) They have a robust cash shop, without being exploitative and punishing to their player base. Yes, I've seen peoples complaints, but I'm also intimate with the irl game market around this stuff... I'm not sure we're allowed to go too far into that on these forums, but it's really not bad as long as you weren't expecting to be given a great experience for free. The community here is pretty fantastic. We get angry about stuff because we're passionate, but at least we're not toxic and slinging base insults at each other all day.

But less about ESO's place in gaming.
First off, these changes do not make healing more dynamic. One orb and one springs actually removes dynamic play, and gives us something closer to a fixed rotation.
I do absolutely agree that too many healers were spamming springs/orbs and didn't understand the rest of what we were actually doing, but Springs was spammed because it was effective and in some content absolutely necessary. And we have not been given tools to replace the necessity. Orbs was also spammed so that it could function, but most people did spam more orbs than were needed. I have mixed feelings about this change, because while it's certainly convenient to only put out one orb, I can no longer send them everywhere that they need to go unless it happens to be a boss where you just stack in one little ball for the whole fight. Also, I enjoyed the damage morph for dungeons, but as a healer that morph is not even an option anymore. (Granted, it's been non-meta since the damage version stopped giving more resources.) I guess it might see some use on DPS who slot the skill for the tank, since healers are about to be extremely unpopular.

To "departure from the familiar"... Springs has existed basically as it currently is for the entire life of this game up until now. Because of how unique it is among healing in games, and how integral it has been to this game, it has formed the identity of healing in ESO. Those of us who heal, and to some extent who have played this game at all, have been in this game for years because we like that identity. Yes, we use a lot of other skills too, and they are important to us as well. But Springs is part of the backbone, together with Combat Prayer and Orbs. Frankly, we're being told to play a "different" game with this patch, and that game looks rather like other games. Either because people are quitting, or because this game is changing to be more like other games. The uniqueness, what made ESO into ESO instead of just some clone of whatever other game, is being chipped away. A bit of change is fine and sometimes even great (Remember One Tamriel? Monumental change, and completely amazing), but a drastic restructuring that no one wanted, that's creating problems, that's isn't solving problems ... This is not fine.

EXCELLENT points! Couldn't agree more, especially about how special and unique Springs made healing and the reduction of dynamic play.

That I will have extra money in my pocket each month

Cinbri wrote: »

Changes will make healing more dynamic, as it should.

Can you explain me :

What dynamic mean to you ?

Why healer Now are curently not dynamic ?

And why healer after patch will be dynamic ?

I need see the moment you realise you are just wrong and you dont Know what you are talking about.

Can i have your role in a group, your CP lvl, your highest achievment in game ? Like that we will see :

1) you are not a healer
OR
2) you Just run FG1 (you know what is FG ?) in normal because you are cp100
OR
3) you dont have the skill to pass through the hardest fight in the game
OR
The 3 at the same time (and in my opinion you are in this situation).

orbs like the change. tbh hated beimg told to send out 8 orbs a rotation by the trial leader and watch them float across the room unused argghhh ma magic pool. the springs hmm not so impressed whwn one healer goes down or dcs i can currently lay an arc around me on top of other hots and keep the group up. likewise mutagen my straggly pug amd progression grp life saver. ok change and adapt time . what worries me far more is the lack of need for a healer in non trial content atm amongst high end players we are already benched after the first few clears on a new dungeon in favour of 3 dps and i feel this patch may seal the deal on that. i get far more enjoyment watching bars fill/stay full buffs stay up watch over my team its a playstyle. ive tried dps standing hacking away at a boss pressing same buttons over and the over and tbh if that was the only group play role in this game from the start i would have just completed quest content and left at endgame