even if you pretend the only options are "at least a teeny bit exciting" and "all bad", the numbers for "all bad" win out.

and I'm sure they'd be higher if a large number of healers didn't outright quit when they saw the changes were so much as seriously proposed.

(I'm sorry to be a downer on the matter, if you like them, all the good to you (un-sarcastic face, maybe slightly, idk))

These changes look like they were designed by people who have never gone into one of their own vet trials, it's impossible to be excited by that degree of ineptitude and poor design.

Some People are complaining about spamming orb/springs, i would to see you pass through vCR+3 execute phase or vHoF HM execute phase without those 2 spell, i mean like they are on the pts, it s not "i spam because it s easy win", but "i spam because if i dont everyone die", you Just dont have the choice...the game force you to do that

But well Now with the current change will force you to spam Combat Prayer with Asylum Staff to pass through some fight, i mean...great gameplay Right ?

The only thing acceptable and i dont know if it is too much is the 2nd orbs change (only one but activable multiple time), but without something to compensate the healing power of 3 springs stacked on a group of 12 ? I dont know if it is even possible for some particular fight that are désigned to be burst heal

I will finally be able to go into a public dungeon and not have to worry about other players killing a boss before I can get to it. I know this because other threads have said everybody is quitting when the changes go live.

Circle of Preservation is cool. More Stamina/ tank heal options.

The healing changes will make healing more challenging and difficult - WHICH IS GOOD.

I just don´t see so much and good selfhealing on Stamina characters making maybe healer unnecessary. We could end up seeing healers just in vet trials and in pug dungeons due the way the Finder is done. That is.

Other: I've only been playing for a few months, so it won't be as wrenching an adjustment for me as it will be for someone who has been playing for years.

I can’t definitively say it will really hurt doing vet trials and dungeons, but the math seems to say so. I’ll see how it plays out for my four healer characters before rendering a final verdict.

There's an argument that a bit of change periodically is good for the game, so each individual change in this set is a positive. However, the combination is the problem, as well as the lack of equivalent nerfs to other roles. Weakening healing when the role is being dropped in favour of another DPS in many situations was the exact opposite way to go.

I actually think the orb change is good - I like knowing that if I send an orb toward the tank will actually make it to the tank. Aside from the, my feels toward the healing changes range from annoyed to irate. In general I feel like the changes are going to make healers far less valuable in PvE and much more boring to play. The upside of the orb changes does not compensate for everything else

laying hands on people

I would be more interested in these changes if every class was being given tools to deal with them. In a game where difficult content has phases designed around stacking grand healing, the only classes that will be able to keep up are those who have access to more class healing, especially more hots and aoes.

People thinking these changes will change the meta: lol. No. Meta is becoming more desired.

Varana wrote: »

"I think too many healers spammed Orbs and Springs so this will change the meta and encourage healers to learn more about their roles"
At the time of writing this, 15 people have never paid attention to what their healers did in a trial.

Also, "learn more about their roles" - like what?!?
Healers are casting orbs and springs and a whole lot of other things because they know their role.

So much this.

kargen27 wrote: »

ATreeGnome wrote: »

I actually think the orb change is good - I like knowing that if I send an orb toward the tank will actually make it to the tank. Aside from the, my feels toward the healing changes range from annoyed to irate. In general I feel like the changes are going to make healers far less valuable in PvE and much more boring to play. The upside of the orb changes does not compensate for everything else

What do you do though when the tank needs orbs and the group needs orbs but they are separate so one orb can't cover all? Plenty of fights where the group isn't stacked meaning plenty of fights where part of the group will be scrambling for resources. Most of us will adjust eventually. First few pugs are going to be interesting though.

It's definitely a trade off. In theory though, I should be able to alternate sending an orb to the group then the tank every 10 seconds. Of course, if there's a 2nd healer you can assign 1 to send orbs to the group and the other to focus on the tank. Obviously it's harder than that in a real trial situation but I think it will result in better synergy availability for most groups in most situations (obviously exceptions exist). I wouldn't say that it's better than orbs are on live, but I don't think that it's a bad change in and of itself.

danara wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Circle of Preservation is cool. More Stamina/ tank heal options.

@Peekachu99

It is a spell that cost stamina but the healing power is the same as the other magicka spell (scale with max magicka and spell power), this mean that it is à magicka healer spell that cost stamina.

In no case it is stamina healer spell, and it is even worst for tank

If it’s a stamina ability, it should scale with max Stam and weapon damage. Have you confirmed what you’re suggesting via PTS?

Edit: confirmed in this thread with videos and screenshots that it does, indeed, scale with stamina and weapon damage:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/484027/fighters-guild-circle-of-protection-ring-of-preservation-healing-morph