ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

however. you must consider that any new damage skills should be given to Winter's Embrace before anything else. you say that some damage might be appropriate. I don't think that it is, but i see why you would want something like that.

Not want, no.

The change I proposed to grasp would among other things, make grasp viable as a heal over time where presently it generally isn't, because of the pull. That being the case vines potentially becomes redundant, i.e. ripe for replacement.

A straight up ranged single target heal would be another option. Though from a cost benefit perspective which you can bet they consider, a change to the ability which doesn't require any change to visuals would be the ideal, eg. what I suggested.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Considering the passive skills of Green Balance. They are all based around healing and increasing it.

So?

Skills can be and are regularly changed.

The skill line is called Green Balance but lacks any semblance of balance.

I have to wonder if it isn't a holdover from the original pre release version of wardens which might have included plant based damage skills. Surely you've looked at the nightblade siphoning ability - malevolent offering I think it is now - and wondered about the thorny vine visuals and icon. Speaking of skills changing it used to be a CC and DoT, now a heal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-skill-Agony.jpg

I've always suspected that this was a repurposed warden ability which they just changed the colour of.

Now that it's a heal I find it a bit odd. Thorny constricting vines don't really scream healing to me. Maybe one day they'll make some new visuals for it and give it back to wardens in some form.

Nerouyn wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

however. you must consider that any new damage skills should be given to Winter's Embrace before anything else. you say that some damage might be appropriate. I don't think that it is, but i see why you would want something like that.

Not want, no.

The change I proposed to grasp would among other things, make grasp viable as a heal over time where presently it generally isn't, because of the pull. That being the case vines potentially becomes redundant, i.e. ripe for replacement.

A straight up ranged single target heal would be another option. Though from a cost benefit perspective which you can bet they consider, a change to the ability which doesn't require any change to visuals would be the ideal, eg. what I suggested.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Considering the passive skills of Green Balance. They are all based around healing and increasing it.

So?

Skills can be and are regularly changed.

The skill line is called Green Balance but lacks any semblance of balance.

I have to wonder if it isn't a holdover from the original pre release version of wardens which might have included plant based damage skills. Surely you've looked at the nightblade siphoning ability - malevolent offering I think it is now - and wondered about the thorny vine visuals and icon. Speaking of skills changing it used to be a CC and DoT, now a heal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/File:ON-skill-Agony.jpg

I've always suspected that this was a repurposed warden ability which they just changed the colour of.

Now that it's a heal I find it a bit odd. Thorny constricting vines don't really scream healing to me. Maybe one day they'll make some new visuals for it and give it back to wardens in some form.

It is a lot easier to see winter's embrace skills getting reworks first, on top of the overwhelming demand. I really understand why you want these and i am not saying it will not happen. Just that if warden gets anymore skills that it makes much more sense to have them in Winter's Embrace FIRST, due to it's current skill state, passives, and the want from the community. They have many more morphs that underperform compared to their counterparts. Green Balance has 1 morph that doesn't see regular use. That is Bursting Vines. Nature's Embrace is used plenty in pvp. Grasp is already a viable heal over time skill in PvP. and your suggested idea makes the control with the skill so much better and I really like it, where its made much better for PvE.

However,

The name of the Skill line doesn't matter. as it's just a cool name that gives you an idea for the theme. it often times doesn't mean much. Grave Lord isn't a bunch of skills dedicated to Feudal Graveyard Management. Ardent Flame is just Passionate Fire etc. Green Balance doesn't really mean anything other than sounding cool. But again. I am not saying that the line doesn't need damage skills. I'm saying that Winter's Embrace needs them more. needs them first above all else. There are just stacks of reasons as for why Winter's Embrace should have them first.

Any news about when or if the bear will ever scale with bloodthirsty?

I want the old "Arctic blast" skill back. Area Damage scaling from Health. Not this absolutely useless stun-heal! The new Arctic blast sucks. I stopped playing my warden tank after they nerfed it. The new skill is the worst skill ever!

Just letting Zos know we still exist.

I would like more interactive gameplay between the dps skills.

Also, magicka warden is getting nerfed into the ground in the "leaked" patch notes.

Animal Companion buff getting reduced to 2% per skill again...

Winter's Revenge damage reduced by 30%...

The only buff we get to compensate is a 17% increase to swarm damage.

If this is true, what in the actual *** is ZOS doing?

We won't even be able to hit 40k DPS this patch...

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

What happened to the warden discord? I just logged on and it's gone from my list.

Was it taken down or did I get removed for inactivity (I hadn't logged in for a while).

Yes all discord’s were closed besides dk and Templar which was turned into an all class one.

Oh, and bloodthirsty STILL doesn't work with the bear...

This was a big blanket nerf, and while it's still too early to tell how bad this will be overall or if these changes will stick. I do still think the general theme of update 23 is increase cost and reduce damage to everyone.

For once, its a good thing to be the ignored Class.
Its like ZoS is trying to balance the game at MagDen level

We did lose a good stun with Shock Reach. They need to make Arctic cheaper and deal a bit of damage.

I love the Warden class, it’s my favorite in theme. I can’t ignore the fact that Magicka Warden simply underperforms in comparison to the other classes in terms of solo DPS in PvP. I also know that they’re the bottom of the barrel in PvE.

For the animal companions attacking abilities, it would be nice if the passives would be enhanced to benefit magicka more, like increasing magicka by a %, regen, and/or increasing spell power. Allow the Cliffracer and Swarm (Morphs) deal debuffs so that they have more reliability and to actually add more pressure onto PvP enemies.

Yes its good to see Warden get nice numbers. But as you said we will have to wait and see how it compares to other classes, but its good that Warden buffs 2 of the new Magic Damage DoTs.