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Unexpected crashing while in game

  • FierceSam
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    Hey

    Another crash from the loading screen.

    Sure the time between crashes has increased, but the client is no more stable than it was in October.

    Ticket #190512-004368
  • Mainman99
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    OK, crashes back for me. About 90min in Elsweyr before crash
  • vgabor
    vgabor
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    Yep, still crashing. This one happened when logging out from a game into the character selection.
    Process: eso [28211]
    Path: /Applications/Games/*/eso.app/Contents/MacOS/eso
    Identifier: com.zenimaxonline.eso
    Version: 1.0.0 (1.0.0)
    Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
    Parent Process: ZeniMax Online Studios Launcher [28053]
    Responsible: eso [28211]
    User ID: 501

    Date/Time: 2019-05-20 23:36:39.738 +0100
    OS Version: Mac OS X 10.14.4 (18E226)
    Report Version: 12
    Bridge OS Version: 3.0 (14Y677)
    Anonymous UUID: BADC6FD7-23ED-705B-3B1D-BB3CE68B326B

    Sleep/Wake UUID: B535C690-302F-426D-9677-589D4D0C1D2B

    Time Awake Since Boot: 830000 seconds
    Time Since Wake: 18000 seconds

    System Integrity Protection: enabled

    Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

    Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
    Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000007fc02b1c1b
    Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

    Termination Signal: Segmentation fault: 11
    Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
    Terminating Process: exc handler [28211]

    VM Regions Near 0x7fc02b1c1b:
    MALLOC_LARGE 0000000190e4e000-0000000190e6f000 [ 132K] rw-/rwx SM=PRV
    -->
    STACK GUARD 0000700001cae000-0000700001caf000 [ 4K] ---/rwx SM=NUL stack guard for thread 11

    Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
    0 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391115f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 37
    1 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    2 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    3 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    4 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    5 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    6 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010391119f ZoGui::Control::MarkAnchorDirty() + 101
    7 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010390f6ef ZoGui::Control::~Control() + 249
    8 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010395c269 ZoGui::RootWindow::~RootWindow() + 15
    9 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000103977718 ZoGui::WindowManager::~WindowManager() + 136
    10 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000103977a09 ZoGui::WindowManager::~WindowManager() + 15
    11 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010392adcf ZoGui::GuiInstance::~GuiInstance() + 233
    12 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010392afab ZoGui::GuiInstance::~GuiInstance() + 15
    13 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000101fe81f3 EsoGui::Destroy() + 95
    14 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000101fe8265 EsoGui::~EsoGui() + 9
    15 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001024fa426 GuiManager::DestroyIngameGui() + 66
    16 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001024fd8bd GuiManager::LoadPregameGui() + 31
    17 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001023e0aa7 PregameWorld::LoadPregameWorld(PregameWorld::LoadPregameOptions) + 154
    18 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001024219fe (anonymous namespace)::HandleLogout(GameSessionManager::LogoutOptions) + 345
    19 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000102b76e8b FromBufferInternalHandleLogoutResponse_Cli_CliRgn(ZoReadBuffer&, unsigned short, unsigned short, unsigned int, bool&, SimpleMessageRateListener*) + 286
    20 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000102bad0aa Cli_CliRgn::MsgHandler::HandleBuffer(ZoReadBuffer&, unsigned short, unsigned short, unsigned int, bool&, SimpleMessageRateListener*) + 108
    21 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001038e52bf ZoConnection::HandleBuffer(ZoReadBuffer&, unsigned short, bool) + 271
    22 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001038d8f50 ZoBoostConnection::Update(unsigned int) + 666
    23 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001038e7c15 ZoConnectionManager::Update(unsigned int, bool) + 173
    24 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000102693b7f ZoConnectionManager::ZoConnectionManagerRegistry::ReceiveUpdate(unsigned int) + 73
    25 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001026939de PumpZos(unsigned int, bool) + 57
    26 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x00000001029ba4e2 ZosClient::OnUpdate() + 370
    27 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x0000000102028e5e OSUpdate() + 20
    28 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010202ae14 -[GameClient macRun] + 269
    29 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010202b772 -[GameClient platformMainLoop] + 2164
    30 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010202aaab -[GameClient mainLoop] + 61
    31 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010202a9b3 -[GameClient applicationDidFinishLaunching:] + 668
    32 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51f78af6 __CFNOTIFICATIONCENTER_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_AN_OBSERVER__ + 12
    33 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51f78a70 ___CFXRegistrationPost_block_invoke + 63
    34 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51f789da _CFXRegistrationPost + 404
    35 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51f80e88 ___CFXNotificationPost_block_invoke + 87
    36 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51ee98d4 -[_CFXNotificationRegistrar find:object:observer:enumerator:] + 1642
    37 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff51ee8c87 _CFXNotificationPost + 732
    38 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff54161217 -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 66
    39 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f5a281c -[NSApplication _postDidFinishNotification] + 312
    40 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f5a216f -[NSApplication _sendFinishLaunchingNotification] + 208
    41 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f5a02c3 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleAEOpenEvent:] + 552
    42 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f59ff13 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleCoreEvent:withReplyEvent:] + 688
    43 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff541aad6e -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] + 286
    44 com.apple.Foundation 0x00007fff541aabeb _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler + 102
    45 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff53136397 aeDispatchAppleEvent(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*, unsigned int, unsigned char*) + 1815
    46 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff53135c29 dispatchEventAndSendReply(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*) + 41
    47 com.apple.AE 0x00007fff53135b01 aeProcessAppleEvent + 414
    48 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff5120aec7 AEProcessAppleEvent + 54
    49 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f59c2f2 _DPSNextEvent + 1724
    50 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f59ad93 -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1361
    51 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff4f594eb0 -[NSApplication run] + 699
    52 com.zenimaxonline.eso 0x000000010202c4cf main + 200
    53 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff7e3893d5 start + 1


    VM Region Summary:
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  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    I have camera spin and not a damn thing I try to do changes it. I managed to fix it this morning somehow. But now it just get's worse. Have submitted SEVERAL tickets.
  • FierceSam
    FierceSam
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    Every time I log in I have to reset the permissions that allow this godawful abortion of a client to actually work. Every time.

    How is it possible for ZOS to mess up their client EVERY TIME they ‘update’ it?

    How is it possible for them NOT TO QA IT?

    Who let this garbage out of the door?
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?
  • keto3000
    keto3000
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    Wodinn wrote: »
    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?


    This is an old issue that first occurred from the macOs update to Mojave:

    You fix it on the mac side. This will explain it:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437539/eso-macos-mojave-spinning-issue-solved
    “The point of power is always in the present moment.”

    ― Louise L. Hay
  • Deter1UK
    Deter1UK
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    keto3000 wrote: »
    Wodinn wrote: »
    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?


    This is an old issue that first occurred from the macOs update to Mojave:

    You fix it on the mac side. This will explain it:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437539/eso-macos-mojave-spinning-issue-solved

    Yes but before fixing it once fixed it. now i have to do this e very time i log in!
  • Deter1UK
    Deter1UK
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    Mainman99 wrote: »
    OK, crashes back for me. About 90min in Elsweyr before crash

    Same, I don't pretend to understand anything about these things but the error report sent to apple mentioned Metal a few times.

    Thats three times in 24 hours and only (so far) when I'm in Elsweyr...
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_SarahHecker This is beyond the amount of *** we should be able to put up with. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MAC GAME WE PAID FOR?!
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    keto3000 wrote: »
    Wodinn wrote: »
    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?


    This is an old issue that first occurred from the macOs update to Mojave:

    You fix it on the mac side. This will explain it:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437539/eso-macos-mojave-spinning-issue-solved

    Yeah I figured it has to do with accessibility settings. so I've tried that a HALF A DOZEN TIMES ALREADY. So what the HELL do I do now?!
  • Carmina
    Carmina
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    There seems to be something repeatable here. When I do the Riverhold Quest thing, every time I enter the townhouse, the game crashed when it had been running for a while. After the crash, it survived. That was reproducible.

    I get about one to two crashes a day, often in graphics intense areas, like fighting a boss or something. VERY embarrassing, but the quality of the Mac client was *** for a long time now.
  • mague
    mague
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    Me too. Twice yesterday. But they know, i did send my report.
  • FierceSam
    FierceSam
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    And we're back to the good old daze of regular crashes every 20 minutes or so

    It seems that the only thing that has undergone any kind of upgrade is the support website, which now no longer gives you ticket numbers but replies with the cheery FU message

    "Please note that this feedback will be provided to the development team and you will not receive a direct response."

    At this point I'm not sure why I even bother reporting this to ZOS, it happens so frequently it must be part of their game design.

    Even less optimism that anyone will get bothered to do anything about this.
  • keto3000
    keto3000
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    Wodinn wrote: »
    keto3000 wrote: »
    Wodinn wrote: »
    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?


    This is an old issue that first occurred from the macOs update to Mojave:

    You fix it on the mac side. This will explain it:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437539/eso-macos-mojave-spinning-issue-solved

    Yeah I figured it has to do with accessibility settings. so I've tried that a HALF A DOZEN TIMES ALREADY. So what the HELL do I do now?!


    So, to be clear, you need to reconfirm the Zenimax Online Studios Launcher under the Apple>Security & Privacy> Accessibility screen

    (NOT the other Accessibility panel which enables accessibility panels).

    See below:

    w16cie018f8r.png
    Edited by keto3000 on June 3, 2019 2:27AM
    “The point of power is always in the present moment.”

    ― Louise L. Hay
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    keto3000 wrote: »
    Wodinn wrote: »
    keto3000 wrote: »
    Wodinn wrote: »
    Can anybody help me with this camera spin bs?


    This is an old issue that first occurred from the macOs update to Mojave:

    You fix it on the mac side. This will explain it:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437539/eso-macos-mojave-spinning-issue-solved

    Yeah I figured it has to do with accessibility settings. so I've tried that a HALF A DOZEN TIMES ALREADY. So what the HELL do I do now?!


    So, to be clear, you need to reconfirm ESO & Zenimax Online Studios Launcher under the Apple>Security & Privacy> Accessibility screen NOT the other Accessibility panel which enables accessibility panels.

    See below:

    n3660zzdjyqi.png

    I figured it out, thanks. Interesting thing is, I had to deselect the game. And only re select the launcher for it to work.
  • Ostacia
    Ostacia
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    I'm crashing every 20 or so minutes. Tried the usual Accessibility dance that I do after every update and that didn't work. So tried the above poster's recommend to deselect the game and reselect only the launcher. That didn't help either. So very annoying...guess I'll put in a ticket.
    Mac (soon to be PC!) / NA
    Imagination is the real and eternal world of which this vegetable universe is but a faint shadow. -- William Blake
  • FierceSam
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    And back to this crashing every hour or so bull.

    Doesn't seem to matter what I'm doing, just total crash to the desktop.

    They seem to have replaced the previous launcher with the one from pre-Murkmire, cut and pasted the same bugs, so we're essentially back to where we were back in September

    Just the kind of service we have always had from ZOS
  • FierceSam
    FierceSam
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    And again...Random crashing to desktop

    Can't submit tickets
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    I'm crashing every 20 or so minutes. Tried the usual Accessibility dance that I do after every update and that didn't work. So tried the above poster's recommend to deselect the game and reselect only the launcher. That didn't help either. So very annoying...guess I'll put in a ticket.

    Sorry to hear about that. It doesn't even make sense why it works for me. But it does. I do have to unselect, and re-select that option every time I open the launcher. otherwise it still does camera spin. This doesn't do anything for the game crashing though sorry.
  • keto3000
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    so... the reauthorization that I described is not to prevent crashing. It is to correct the camera spinning. Crashing is something else.

    The issue e I am referring to is the camera spinning every time we open the game after the Elsweyr patch. It is related to Mac MojaveOs and happened last Fall after Mojave update and ZOS corrected it.

    Now, the camera spinning is happening again and you MUST reauthorize the launcher in the Sys Pref>Security> Accessibility panel as I showed in my post.

    ****EDIT: I previously had to reauthorize both launcher and the ESO game, but you ONLY need to reauthorize the Game Launcher****

    Crashing is a separate issue.
    I'm crashing every 20 or so minutes. Tried the usual Accessibility dance that I do after every update and that didn't work. So tried the above poster's recommend to deselect the game and reselect only the launcher. That didn't help either. So very annoying...guess I'll put in a ticket.
    Edited by keto3000 on June 3, 2019 2:22AM
    “The point of power is always in the present moment.”

    ― Louise L. Hay
  • mistermacintosh
    mistermacintosh
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    Spinning, crashing and dismally low fps in chapter zones. I hope they're sincere about pulling in more help this year...
    Legalize Nirnroot!

    Mac User, NA Server (CP810+, PVE focused):
    Magicka Templar Ra the Everlasting (Level 50 - Main Character)
    Stamina Sorcerer Khazaka-ri (Level 50 - Crafter)
    Dragonknight Tank Skalda Flamewreath (Level 50)
    Pet Sorcerer Hellias Ocume (Level 50)
    Magicka Necromancer Socelon (Level 4)

    Templar Healer Mends-Through-Panic (Level 50)
    Stamina Nightblade Adanna-daro (Level 50)
    Stamina Warden Marely Sprigs (Level 50)
    Stamina Dragonknight Ursula Trollcalmer (Level 50)
    Stamina Necromancer Daengeval (Level 4)

    Stamina Templar Cornellus Graves (Level 50)
    Warden Healer Pays-For-Luxury (Level 50)
    Magicka Sorcerer Sophia Flash (Level 50)
    Magicka Dragonknight Cinvalo Aloavel (Level 50)
    Magicka Nightblade Esmerelda the Cruel (Level 50)
  • Wodinn
    Wodinn
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    keto3000 wrote: »
    so... the reauthorization that I described is not to prevent crashing. It is to correct the camera spinning. Crashing is something else.

    The issue e I am referring to is the camera spinning every time we open the game after the Elsweyr patch. It is related to Mac MojaveOs and happened last Fall after Mojave update and ZOS corrected it.

    Now, the camera spinning is happening again and you MUST reauthorize both ESO and the launcher in the Sys Pref>Security> Accessibility panel as I showed in my post.

    Crashing is a separate issue.
    I'm crashing every 20 or so minutes. Tried the usual Accessibility dance that I do after every update and that didn't work. So tried the above poster's recommend to deselect the game and reselect only the launcher. That didn't help either. So very annoying...guess I'll put in a ticket.

    This is correct. However I have to ONLY re-select the launcher. Re-selecting the ESO game itself actually kept the camera spin in game for me
  • keto3000
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    Thank you @Wodinn I have corrected my post. Only need to reauthorize the game launcher if you use the launcher to open the game.
    Wodinn wrote: »
    keto3000 wrote: »
    so... the reauthorization that I described is not to prevent crashing. It is to correct the camera spinning. Crashing is something else.

    The issue e I am referring to is the camera spinning every time we open the game after the Elsweyr patch. It is related to Mac MojaveOs and happened last Fall after Mojave update and ZOS corrected it.

    Now, the camera spinning is happening again and you MUST reauthorize both ESO and the launcher in the Sys Pref>Security> Accessibility panel as I showed in my post.

    Crashing is a separate issue.
    I'm crashing every 20 or so minutes. Tried the usual Accessibility dance that I do after every update and that didn't work. So tried the above poster's recommend to deselect the game and reselect only the launcher. That didn't help either. So very annoying...guess I'll put in a ticket.

    This is correct. However I have to ONLY re-select the launcher. Re-selecting the ESO game itself actually kept the camera spin in game for me
    Edited by keto3000 on June 11, 2019 11:39AM
    “The point of power is always in the present moment.”

    ― Louise L. Hay
  • Kaytlin
    Kaytlin
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    Game requires force quit each and every time to sign off, this of course necessitates redoing the privacy settings in the system files, each time I load the game or the "endless spinning" problem occurs with each character.
    Random crashes after about 2 hours of play time is still present, as is lag when running across cyrodial.
    Things have improved but major problems still exist.
  • demerdecanswrath
    I crash every time I accidentally switch from fullscreen to windowed and back using CMD+F quickly twice.

    ZoS, do you need more concrete proof that besides tweaking up the code base, you have to tweak the .app package in tandem and bring it to 2019?

    Are you waiting for macOS Catalina to launch and make the game even more of a frustration to spring into action?

    As for the communication part on your end.. you either negotiate NDAs badly (if there are any), or you just flat out don't consider it a worthy investment of your time to set expectations to the community for mistakes you've generated.
    Characters:
    • Arien Larethian (High Elf Templar)
    • Relus Demerdecan (Redguard Dragonknight)
    • Elisia Bonaire (Breton Nightblade)

    Proudly playing and producing content on a 2018 Mac mini (with an RX570 eGPU).
  • alterfenixeb17_ESO
    alterfenixeb17_ESO
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    Are you waiting for macOS Catalina to launch and make the game even more of a frustration to spring into action?
    Tbh for this very reasons I am glad that this other big company is going to show something in 2 months. Having alternative is a good idea really...

  • Voiddreams
    Voiddreams
    Soul Shriven
    Since the elswyr DLC update, my MacBook pro 2015 has experienced a lot of crashes. Prior to this, crash was very seldom. It crashes to the desktop. A reload of the ESO app then brings me back to the character screen.

    This is funny. When I close the ESO app, i get the spinning ball forever. But yet when it crashes I go straight to the desktop? Can you combine the two and stop them so when I close the app it goes to the desktop?

    Please. Also stop the spinning mouse requiring accessibility permissions?

    And then when I update to Catalina, will there be a 64 bit launcher or will I have to find a new game? ZOS has know about the 32 bit "laugher" problem for over a year.
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