frozywozy wrote: »

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Not sure I understand this. It is not a character lock, it is a faction lock. If you enter as EP, you can use any of your EP characters for the duration.

Someone needs to explain to me why the numbers are so skewed in favour of EP, though. Is it just kids who grew up playing Skyrim?

frozywozy wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Personally I believe that they should have reworked the CP system before introducing faction locks.

The main goal is to condense our PvP population as much as possible in a minimal amount of campaign to get a fair competition during primetime. Fixing the CP system would mean that we could go with one 30 days with faction locks enabled and another 30 days campaign without locks. I think this would go a long way.

In the meantime, I like the following suggestion from @MipMip :
- locks that prevent switching to the faction that dominates the map but allow switching to the weaker factions (scoreboard)

You can change at the end of the campaign, is it so hard to stay and fight with your friends for one damn campaign ?... people gamed the system, so sorry no fun allowed !

About your proposed idea, so lets asume EP is winning, so the "loons" jump to the loosing side, that was AD, now they make AD winners, and jump to DC, and then they make them the winners, and jump back to EP, so not to burst your bubble, but isnt faction locks ment to stop just that ?...

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Regarding your second paragraph, I don't believe that a few groups of people willing to help the underdog would drastically change the scoreboard and put a faction in the winning spot. At least not from what I have seen the past few months.

I have been part of a guild who used to help AD once a week and from what I understood, people were only playing AD because EP was way ahead on the scoreboard. They would not have risked to have their main faction lose.

With the suggestion from @MipMip , it creates some more challenging fights on the map and attempt to counter the massive influx of people who used to play AD or DC and who will now main EP for the victory.

Believe it or not, alot of casual people want to get those rewards.

This being said, you entirely ignored my first solution which was to fix the cp system first, and then release two 30 days campaigns, one with faction locks and one without which would make the previous discussion worthless.

As i am pointing out, it also creates possibility to game the system, again i and alot of people dont want faction hoppers, enough is enough... you guys could have argued to stop the stupid long ago, but you dident, and here we are...

Can i ask you, why dident you speak up before, or come with ideas to stop the faction hopping before ?... I have stood by my faction in thick and thin, and like many others i anoys the *** out of me, when suddenly half your pop magically disapear to bandwagon to the "winning sides" then DC takes the west side, and EP the east side, it was done like clock work for months upon months...

So yea no... i rather know my enemy and fight them and loose, then just get frustrated, not knowing when people on my side are suddenly like magic be my enemy...

The pop will be split, couse we are alot that dont want to play with faction hoppers, i rather play on a small server with faction locks, even if its deserted, then endure the madness that been, enough is enough...

you guys want to treat cyrodil like some battle ground, where you can hop around as you like, isnt that what battle ground is for ?, small scale, git good, ask ZOS for alternative ones, i dont care... but leave my fation locks alone !

And again, we been in this situation, it fixed itself with faction locks... i was there when it did, in the beginning, when AD painted the map yellow... you dont need faction hopping during a campaign to fix it... you know it, i know it, and ZOS know it, and i have history proving my point

TBois wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Someone needs to explain to me why the numbers are so skewed in favour of EP, though. Is it just kids who grew up playing Skyrim?

That has been the long standing assumption. EP's larger population was one reason people asked for unlocked factions before zos implemented no lock in campaigns. This was not much of an issue when we had a bunch of pvpers, but when the pvp population declined (mainly due to performance issues) it became a larger issue. We will see how locks play out now, but I believe we will see similar results to before no locks were implemented (unbalanced campaigns which began the degradation of people caring about campaign score).

That people left couse of locked servers isnt anthing you can prove ?, or do you have numbers ?... In my opinion, when you look at when the decline happened, it actually started with ZOS allowing faction hopping...

Miriel wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Someone needs to explain to me why the numbers are so skewed in favour of EP, though. Is it just kids who grew up playing Skyrim?

That has been the long standing assumption. EP's larger population was one reason people asked for unlocked factions before zos implemented no lock in campaigns. This was not much of an issue when we had a bunch of pvpers, but when the pvp population declined (mainly due to performance issues) it became a larger issue. We will see how locks play out now, but I believe we will see similar results to before no locks were implemented (unbalanced campaigns which began the degradation of people caring about campaign score).

That people left couse of locked servers isnt anthing you can prove ?, or do you have numbers ?... In my opinion, when you look at when the decline happened, it actually started with ZOS allowing faction hopping...

Please read more carefully. I said people left due to performance issues.

TBois wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Someone needs to explain to me why the numbers are so skewed in favour of EP, though. Is it just kids who grew up playing Skyrim?

That has been the long standing assumption. EP's larger population was one reason people asked for unlocked factions before zos implemented no lock in campaigns. This was not much of an issue when we had a bunch of pvpers, but when the pvp population declined (mainly due to performance issues) it became a larger issue. We will see how locks play out now, but I believe we will see similar results to before no locks were implemented (unbalanced campaigns which began the degradation of people caring about campaign score).

That people left couse of locked servers isnt anthing you can prove ?, or do you have numbers ?... In my opinion, when you look at when the decline happened, it actually started with ZOS allowing faction hopping...

Please read more carefully. I said people left due to performance issues.

i know people that stopped playing couse of faction hopping...

Elong wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

We took Brindle last night with about 50 EP in the middle of prime time with emp. The vision is becoming a reality.

Nah... it's just a protest against faction lock. It won't last.

LOL ITS THE PLAYERS FAULT NOW

Besides the technical issues, technically all of it is in some way the fault of players. Trolling scrolls, forward camps, siege, emp swapping, all of it is the fault of players

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Miriel wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

The fact that you can change faction every 30days does not change the fact that alot of players who play EP have at least 6-7 EP characters that they would be unable to play anymore by doing an effort to create some balance.

Someone needs to explain to me why the numbers are so skewed in favour of EP, though. Is it just kids who grew up playing Skyrim?

That has been the long standing assumption. EP's larger population was one reason people asked for unlocked factions before zos implemented no lock in campaigns. This was not much of an issue when we had a bunch of pvpers, but when the pvp population declined (mainly due to performance issues) it became a larger issue. We will see how locks play out now, but I believe we will see similar results to before no locks were implemented (unbalanced campaigns which began the degradation of people caring about campaign score).

That people left couse of locked servers isnt anthing you can prove ?, or do you have numbers ?... In my opinion, when you look at when the decline happened, it actually started with ZOS allowing faction hopping...

No, the decline happened because of lag and a hundred unfixed bugs. You can have a search through the forums for the countless posts that support this.

you mean like the countless of threads where people for years have pleaded to atleast bring back ONE locked campaign... if you point to one thing as a source based on forum popularity, its fairly naive of you to not thinking this is also a issue...

More like the hundreds of threads about performance and bugs in pvp that have zero response from ZOS. Players see ZOS doesn’t care about pvp so they left. You’re literally autistic

Not sure, what calling me autistic have to do with the topic. usually when people start with name calling, is a sure sign that they lost the argument...

frozywozy wrote: »

This being said, you entirely ignored my first solution which was to fix the cp system first, and then release two 30 days campaigns, one with faction locks and one without which would make the previous discussion worthless.

Agree so much. Then we wouldn't be having this discussion and players with different preferences could have their (populated, fun) campaigns.

Taking this thought one step further, I think it would be so great to have 30 day campaigns based on
- guilds (where there are no factions, you fight for your guild)
- factions

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Because EP is the larger faction but the scaling is just smaller in pvp?

Sorry, that doesn't in any way explain why a 4% higher faction population translates to double the other alliances.

J18696 wrote: »

It explains it fairly well actually plus on top of ep having a higher player count the larger AD and DC guilds who play off peak hours have not been playing in their full numbers letting ep dominate even more on NA maybe once people stop grinding the new zone cyro pops might return to somewhat normal

Ahhh, I see. So, AD and DC play off-peak hours, but EP plays primetime. Also, AD and DC are busy exploring the new content, but EP is not. Also, 4% = 50%. Righto!