Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!

Numerikuu · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

The only things that really mark a good player these days are their titles, and so far, you can't buy those in the crown store.

Nope, and nope. You can buy them with in game gold, or real cash. There are forums/places out there which literally sell carries for titles lol. Been happening for y e a r s.

Girl_Number8 · May 2019

HighKinlady wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I wounder what would be people's reaction if they started selling in Crown store Dro M'athra skin with an extra blue vinyl on it to be classified as different.

We wouldn’t care . That skin is old . Not only that but so many people cheesed that skin that it’s a cosmetic more than an achievement . We always assume you bought it

We??

Sorry, but I did that trial multiple times when it was still hard. My whole group took the time out of their schedules to work with each other to clear vMoL legit and we did.

Since you're so casual about it, maybe you are fine with cheesing things but you speak for you and you alone, and no one else....smh

If you have no respect for achievements actually earned, then no one should respect your opinion.

The mount should be changed. It is an achievement. it is that simple. Zos needs to show some integrity on this issue. Hopefully they will

StormChaser3000 · May 2019

Ohtimbar wrote: »

I don't want the mount, but these threads make me want to gift the ugly thing to several of the most casual players I know.

Lol, this.^
Ego issues are strong in this thread xD

Heelie · May 2019

Do people that advocate this want the emp costume in the crown store as well, just with a slightly different belt? Because I would love to have that costume.

Nemeliom · May 2019

I agree. I suck at pve badly, pvp is my thing. This mount is a distinctive badge to wear proudly and this would ruin it. I had no idea that mount existed and it's a really good one.
But this would be like being able to purchase the five stars and title Grand Overlord with crowns. Not a fan.

relentlessyouthofficialneb18_ESO · May 2019

Whats next? Selling Immortal Redeemer title? cmon ZOS.. dont do this please

Reistr_the_Unbroken · May 2019

Hiruda wrote: »

Why people are whinning ? they never said the mount was "exclusive" to the trial, it's clearly say "we are offering a mount as a reward for those players"
Not we are offering a exlusive mount as a reward for those players,”

Wait was this in this months newsletter? Or an older one?

This thread kinda reminds me when people were upset that tickets were being sold in the crown store during events, but I found it reasonable cause not everyone has all the time to spend on ESO, and lets them catch up if needed.

Kelces · May 2019

Oh well, another rant-thread about not being able to show off as they could before. Even though they actually can, they just imgine they can't, because there could be some confusion about where they got their mount. And then there is also the fact, that many players buy their "achievements" (like you see with skins above all), so that one might not even bother sitting on this mount just for bragging purposes only.

It's just ridiculous and almost paranoid how some expect this to turn out.

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Ohtimbar wrote: »

I don't want the mount, but these threads make me want to gift the ugly thing to several of the most casual players I know.

They're going to call your bluff and say you probably don't have enough crowns. 🤔

Or that you're the spawn of Bal.

Or that you don't care enough about the endgame community.

Fischblut · May 2019

With the crownstore version coming up, the Godslayer title will be all I am using. I don't want to ride past other players and have them think "LUL that girl was dumb enough to pay 1000 Crown Gems for that ugly mount" because no one can spot the difference. I don't want something like that connected with the teamwork and effort we put into this as a group.

...So you would use "that ugly mount" if we had no option to buy it from store, even though you think it's ugly? Just because almost nobody else can't have it?

I don't want anyone to think that I was dumb enough to simply toss ~50€ for a crownstore mount

I wonder if you only use 4 basic horses which can be only bought in game for gold from stable master

You can't even use Indrik mounts, because we can't know if you earned tickets by playing or bought tickets from crown store for it...

If it bothers peoples egos that much why not shout in chat every time you zone letting people know that you have the achievement version.

Good solution!

I am dumbfounded that Zos thinks it is such a great idea to offer a mount for such a challenging achievement then sells a virtually identical mount in the crown store. Someone does not have a clue.

I'm very glad that developers seem like giving everyone an option to have such mount, it is good player-friendly decision!

If it was only locked behind insane trial achievement, almost nobody in a whole game would have it. Be real, the mount reward won't make casual people suddenly start doing this trial and becoming "hardcore" - people will just be sad that they can't have such mount, and somebody might buy carries from "hardcore" groups. Are small groups of players who are capable of completing such achievement actually raging cause - with option to buy similar mount from store - they can't decide who is "worthy" of having this mount?

I already have Frost Atronach Sabre Cat mount, but I might buy store variant of Sunspire Lion - because why not

But no, I wouldn't buy it for 1000 crown gems, it's far from good enough for such price

Its fair that not so much should be locked behind such high requirements

100% agree.

If they do go with this, they gotta either down the quality of the crown store one or increase the quality of the trial one.

If some item has low quality = less people will want to buy it. Trial reward version will not bring income anyway, while store version will - and the better the quality, the more potential buyers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBUggbylumw

I like the voice of ordinary lion mounts, but for such icy/fiery creature unedited voice is really out of place

Make the voice heavily edited please.

I think the problem is that we have like zero option to get mounts and other special items in-game without doing trials, so it would be a nice idea to lock some mounts behind achivements (let it be storyline, kill x world bosses, complete x dolmens, etc.) rather than put everything in the crown store.

Of course getting a mount for completing dolmens would be awesome! I would be silent even if we could get a mount for vet DLC dungeons, for 4 man arenas, for Maelstrom - it might require some patience, but many people will be able to get it eventually.

Cheezits94 · May 2019

Fischblut wrote: »

With the crownstore version coming up, the Godslayer title will be all I am using. I don't want to ride past other players and have them think "LUL that girl was dumb enough to pay 1000 Crown Gems for that ugly mount" because no one can spot the difference. I don't want something like that connected with the teamwork and effort we put into this as a group.

...So you would use "that ugly mount" if we had no option to buy it from store, even though you think it's ugly? Just because almost nobody else can't have it?

@Fischblut The user explained that he connects the mount to the teamwork effort and therefore doesn't want it confused with an overpriced crownstore mount because of that. I think you did not read that point.
If something has emotional value, you will use it for a while even if you like other items a bit better. And you don't want others to think bad or wrong of something that is emotional for you.

Fischblut wrote: »

I think the problem is that we have like zero option to get mounts and other special items in-game without doing trials, so it would be a nice idea to lock some mounts behind achivements (let it be storyline, kill x world bosses, complete x dolmens, etc.) rather than put everything in the crown store.

Of course getting a mount for completing dolmens would be awesome! I would be silent even if we could get a mount for vet DLC dungeons, for 4 man arenas, for Maelstrom - it might require some patience, but many people will be able to get it eventually.

More achievement mounts to earn ingame would be something I love. I come from WoW, and I was quite shocked to see that all special looking mounts in this game here only come from the store, it is very sad. In my WoW community, ESO has the reputation to be very heavily focused on microtransactions because there is absolutely nothing to be earned ingame, and I felt that was true when I started. I got used to everything being available in the cash-shop only, and I don't care too much anymore, but I get asked about that a lot from my WoW-guildmates who are very hesitant to try this great game because of it. Earning mounts is a very big pasttime in WOW and there are a lot of mounts only available from raids, dungeons, PVP..
This game needs more earnable mounts/costumes/skins for the hard achievements. Why does vMoL hardmode give NOTHING at all? The skin comes from Veteran, but Hardmode gives nothing? Not even a title! How?

Shawn_PT · May 2019

All good for me. I actually smiled to myself when I heard people talk about this in the game. If you want to buy it, then it's stupid expensive. If you want to earn it, then it's only reserved to 0,00001% of the whole playerbase.

I might be upset if I ever considered getting it, or even progressing through the trial. As it is I don't even have a guild/group to run Craglorn trials so I honestly don't care about trial rewards.

I'll be waiting for the alternative trial skins to pop in the Crown Store. Finding the difference is gonna be a nice new minigame to play in between rounds of 'Inventory Manager'.

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

If something has emotional value, you will use it for a while even if you like other items a bit better. And you don't want others to think bad or wrong of something that is emotional for you.

First part: yeah, I can get that. Second part: W-wait. Y-you mean I'm suppose to care what strangers think of something that has personal significant to me, that has nothing to do with them?

Dagnabbit, been playing this game wrong the whole time!

Cheezits94 wrote: »

More achievement mounts to earn ingame would be something I love. I come from WoW, and I was quite shocked to see that all special looking mounts in this game here only come from the store, it is very sad. In my WoW community...

Ya'll taking notes? Every game should be like WoW.

Speaking of it, how's it doing these days?

Cheezits94 · May 2019

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Cheezits94 wrote: »

If something has emotional value, you will use it for a while even if you like other items a bit better. And you don't want others to think bad or wrong of something that is emotional for you.

First part: yeah, I can get that. Second part: W-wait. Y-you mean I'm suppose to care what others think of something that I know I earned? Dagnabbit, been playing this game wrong the whole time!

Cheezits94 wrote: »

More achievement mounts to earn ingame would be something I love. I come from WoW, and I was quite shocked to see that all special looking mounts in this game here only come from the store, it is very sad. In my WoW community...

Ya'll taking notes? Every game should be like WoW.

Speaking of it, how's it doing these days?

I prefer ESO over WoW gameplay-wise. that's why I am here. ESOs gameplay is amazing! I would love more people I used to play with to come over here, I miss a lot of them.

But I have to love the cashshop aspect of this game and the fact that absolutely nothing good looking can be earned ingame?? Dagnabbit, been playing this game wrong the whole time!

Jayne_Doe · May 2019

On the one hand, players complain about CS pricing and yet then think it's trivial that someone would pay 4k for a mount, when most players would think that 4k is generally quite expensive for a mount. So, who cares if someone buys it when you earned yours.

On the other hand, offering a virtually identical mount in the CS cheapens the achievement, since technically anyone can get it if they can afford it.

I just can't see offering this as a reward for such a difficult achievement and then offering basically the same mount in the CS. What was the point of introducing a mount as an achievement reward if it's not really different from one offered in the CS?

I don't do end-game PvE, so it doesn't really matter to me. But I can see where it would for someone who earned it. Then again, if you do earn it, you've gotten it for free, not unlike the Indriks, though I understand the amount of game time and skill required for those isn't close to the same investment as earning the Sunspire achievement.

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

...and the fact that absolutely nothing good looking can be earned ingame??

You don't have to love the cash aspect of this game. That's up to you how you want to spend your dough. You do get something good-looking in the game - this mount - for free. As well as two furnishing statues of dragons from Sunspire, that don't even have a 'less fancy' CS version as of yet.

But if other people have an alternative, expensive way of access to a less fancy version of the mount by buying it, suddenly it becomes 'there's absolutely nothing good looking that can be earned in-game'.

karthrag_inak · May 2019

Do it Do it Do it! Let the Emo flow!

DovahkiinHeart · May 2019

Anyways, here's another point to consider. The non trial version would likely be expensive, and only available for a *very* limited time. Probably once a year. While the trial version is free all the time, that is IF you get to net all the achievements required to unlock it. Either way, it's a very rare mount.

But between hoping it never gets released at all, to hoping no one can afford it, that attitude of 'If I can't feel distinguished anymore, then no one else deserves to have something nice like mine, even if it's a little different' ought to be checked. Because with all the issues that are still happening regarding gameplay and stability, a mount is hardly what ZOS should focus on right now.

Moiskormoimi · May 2019

Meh. I agree they should differentiate them more, but it allows for two different ways to obtain it. Either earn it for free or pay.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

I would need to update every other player's video as well because I would love people to see the difference though.

No one else cares about your mount. (Just like driving through your neighborhood in your mid-life-crisis-mobile red BMW convertible, doesn't make you 'cool')

edit: ok, I was wrong. Someone does care about - the "these flaming mounts are breaking Mah Immershuns!" dude, cares about your sparkly mount.

eyeseezombiesub17_ESO · May 2019

It's business. The people producing the game need to make money. The engineers, designers, technicians, artists and lore writers need their pay checks. If people are tired of the crown store maybe more people should join ESO plus? As stated before, if you want it for free, complete the achievement. If you want to pay for it, buy it in the crown store

Mr_Walker · May 2019

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Cheezits94 wrote: »

I would need to update every other player's video as well because I would love people to see the difference though.

No one else cares about your mount. (Just like driving through your neighborhood in your mid-life-crisis-mobile red BMW convertible, doesn't make you 'cool')

edit: ok, I was wrong. Someone does care about - the "these flaming mounts are breaking Mah Immershuns!" dude, cares about your sparkly mount.

*Parks red BMW convertible in garage*

Iluvrien · May 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Where was this backlash when ZOS added motifs to the crown store and made the in-game versions extra grindy* to get?

The response those of us who complained got from people was “well, it’s just cosmetic! You can still get it in the game! You don’t have to buy it if you don’t want to!”

Can’t say I’m surprised that ZOS is now trying it in other spheres of the game considering how previous incarnations went down.

[*then upped the grind again with Welkynar]

I dunno about you, but I remember a pretty large complaint thread about Welkynar.

It didnt do any good.

The time to stop it would have been at Glass.

Since Glass is Crafting Motif 16, that should give you an idea of how long this particular barn door has been open, if we're complaining that the horses have escaped, now.

Personally, I think the actual problems are more recent than that, starting with the DLC dungeon motifs, when ZOS decided to monetize those and mess around with the release dates and the like.

I know how long the barn door has been open. I was arguing against it before they even announced they were going to do it in this thread (May 2015). Then I started arguing against it when they announced that they were going to do it. For example in this thread from September 2015, or this one, or this one... there are others.

The point being that this is the course that ZOS has been set on since late 2015. As was predicted, during the intervening time we have seen them expand the types of items they have included in the crown store. Anyone who thought that ZOS would somehow restrain themselves before the got to the point of including Endgame similar items was deluding themselves.

The time to stand against this was when it began. GFL getting them to stop now.

Rawkan · May 2019

m2rc wrote: »

There's got to be a suitable reward for players who complete hard content at the hardest level. Not only is this 'reward' ugly, but also conveniently achievable through microtransactions. Completely removes the incentive to complete the achievements associated with Sunspire. This isn't good for the game, and I hope they learn from this mistake.

Their reward is a title, expecting more than that being 0.1% of the playerbase is silly.

This is buisness, not a charity.

NorthernNightmare · May 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

Harcore players are the most selfish, envious and presumptuous players.

What does it matter if there is someone with the same mount at your side and I buy it with crowns?

You got it for free and with effort and you know it, i do not understand the need to want to shout it to the world.

I think it's good that there are two options, there are people who can not do it because of time or disability, they deserve it too.

Im not a hardcore player, I wanna do more vet trials and such but I know the chances of me getting his are slim to none

Still

I hate how everything is in the crownshop now

Can we get cool mounts that CANT be bought? I wanna be able to see someone on this mount and think wow... not just 'thats a cool mount, I wonder how much it cost em"

that being said I think the mount should be easier to get
no death is crazyy

MikaHR · May 2019

Trials should NOT get ANY different rewards from anything else in the game.

Liww · May 2019

right HUH what about us non pve'rs HUH *pouts* pve'rs are always entitled and ruin it for non pve'rs *pouts* once again THANKS pve'rs for actively excluding us zos why are u FORCING us to pve??. *multi pouts*

this would more or less be your reaction if it wasobtained in pvp content so I dont care. put it in the crown store, please. ty.

Cheezits94 · May 2019

Liww wrote: »

right HUH what about us non pve'rs HUH *pouts* pve'rs are always entitled and ruin it for non pve'rs *pouts* once again THANKS pve'rs for actively excluding us zos why are u FORCING us to pve??. *multi pouts*

this would more or less be your reaction if it wasobtained in pvp content so I dont care. put it in the crown store, please. ty.

As already said, the people who hate this mount being offered in the crown store are probably not the ones who want any achievement being sold in the first place.
I personally advocate against anything PVP-related made easier.

I am sure the players who want this mount available in the cash shop so they don't have to do hard content are the ones who would love to see the Emperor costume made available for crowns too. Those are the ones who want PVP-achievements made easier.
The players who want hard content being rewarding with unique items are not the ones who want achievements (regardless of PVP or PVE) made easier.

Liww · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

Liww wrote: »

right HUH what about us non pve'rs HUH *pouts* pve'rs are always entitled and ruin it for non pve'rs *pouts* once again THANKS pve'rs for actively excluding us zos why are u FORCING us to pve??. *multi pouts*

this would more or less be your reaction if it wasobtained in pvp content so I dont care. put it in the crown store, please. ty.

As already said, the people who hate this mount being offered in the crown store are probably not the ones who want any achievement being sold in the first place.
I personally advocate against anything PVP-related made easier.

I am sure the players who want this mount available in the cash shop so they don't have to do hard content are the ones who would love to see the Emperor costume made available for crowns too. Those are the ones who want PVP-achievements made easier.
The players who want hard content being rewarding with unique items are not the ones who want achievements (regardless of PVP or PVE) made easier.

quite frankly I dont really mind it either way, same goes for the Emperor costume. yall can have it for all I care. It's too much effort for a little vanity, but that's just me.

i'd die for arena weapons to be purchased with AP though. 👍🏽

bentmer · May 2019

As already said, the people who hate this mount being offered in the crown store are probably not the ones who want any achievement being sold in the first place.
I personally advocate against anything PVP-related made easier.

I am sure the players who want this mount available in the cash shop so they don't have to do hard content are the ones who would love to see the Emperor costume made available for crowns too. Those are the ones who want PVP-achievements made easier.
The players who want hard content being rewarding with unique items are not the ones who want achievements (regardless of PVP or PVE) made easier.

The vast majority of people playing this game do not care about the achievement. If they see this mount and like how it looks, then they will buy it. It's a cosmetic item to them. They won't have any idea that a similar mount is tied to an achievement in a trial. They certainly won't be buying it so people will think they're cool super awesome raiders. The fact that some of you people think that way says more about you then it does about them.