Tasear wrote: »

🤔 maybe if self heals scaled not as well for DPS and tanks. But honestly game was built on everyone have Independence from other roles. So not sure how you could.

PVE nerf is not required if ZOS further reduce healing in PVP via Battle Spirit!

Healing is fine, adapt or lose

Healing is only good if you have lots of modifiers for it and combine it with block lol. How many builds are successful who only try to utilize healing? None.

Mmm sounds like someone is having issues killing people and/or just spent ten minutes wailing away at Templar tank. Healing really isn’t that OP. I’ve played all classes aside from Magden and self heals won’t protect you from a good player If you expect to dish out any kind of damage. Earthgore is the only OP healing device in PvP and that’s being changed to open the burst window a bit better.

There will be too much damage in pvp next patch to. Probably more than the healing haha. Both are too powerful in comparison to the size of player health pools.

That is the last thing we need in PvP!

Not everyone can run around with their friends, guilds, groups. Some of us like to go at it alone and without a good heal Cyrodiil would be even more of a horse riding simulator. I don't care if someone goes from 30% HP to 90% in one click. So can I. I want the fight to last. What's the point spending 10 minutes looking for a fight if it's only gonna last less than 10 seconds?

Just because people outheal your wall snipes or your gank burst, does not mean healing is broken.

This is a problem with the Champion Point system. Healing in non-CP PvP is fine.

I mean the healing is a lesser part of the tank meta for sure. You can kill in the tank meta. I'd like for us all to die a little faster and stall out a little less.

PVE wise dps self heals at end game need to be cut a lot more than pvp self healing needs to be cut.

But I really see no problem with both being cut.

I have been noticing lately that healing, more so being a healer, in pvp is too easy. And yes, same goes for no cp

After doing a lot of bgs and getting higher mmr matches, running into groups with one or two or even three healers happens every game. And I know they’re higher mmr matches because I solo queue and it takes about 10-15 min to get a game where any other of my characters gets a queue immediately.

These games typically last the entire 15 min and if it’s a death match then a majority of the time a team can’t even make it half way to winning. And I look at the the scoreboard at the end and realize something pretty interesting. I run a stam dmg build (5 med 2 heavy, dw/2h) and in the death matches that have the time run out, I’ll usually have around 900k-1.5m dmg done but with maybe 2 or 3 kills. And the healers will have around 900k-1.5m healing done.

So at first you think, “okay, yeah that makes sense that I’m able to put out that much damage and they’re able to heal it”. But then think about how my 900k dmg is spread out and was put on two teams of 4, so 8 people. Meanwhile that healers 900k healing output is only on they’re teammates, 3 people. (Healing done stat in bgs does not count healing done to yourself). And like I said earlier, most teams don’t just bring one healer, they’ll have two or a magic class with off heals. Plus everyone runs self heals as well.

Now of course some people are going to say, “well yeah, your 900k was spread out on 8 people but there is 8 other people doing dmg and putting that much dmg out themselves.” But in reality, most teams have more healers or tanks then they do DDs so really you’ll have about 1 or 2 DDs a team And even if they’re putting out 900k-1m dmg, it’s not nothing to worry about cause a single healer can take care of that alone, not to mention that everyone already runs self heals. So between healers, self heals and line of sighting, people barely die in death matches.

Playing these bgs also made me realize what one of the problems is. ZOS nerfed dmg proc sets (rightfully so) but never tuned healing proc sets in return. So healing sets like bogdan nightflame are extremely strong in pvp and heal for sooo much. You even run into stam dps running it and it puts out soo much healing for free.

There is a lot more I can write about this to discuss this topic but this is enough of text wall for now lol

TL;DR : being a healer is too easy right now and healing proc sets never were tuned along with dmg proc sets

Like I say everytime one of these threads pop up, I think damage is too high in pvp, not healing, or maybe some people should switch to no cp where it is completely different to cp pvp.

In no cp you can't build tanky enough to where just a few players won't be able to kill you. Damage here is very high, many things are actually dealing too much dmg imo. I have currently 35k resists and get hit 9-10k snipes still, very often, so I'm stacking mitigation and can basically be 2 shot and then people complain about healing, it just makes no sense to me. Bleeds and oblvion damage for example ignore basically all counters and hit so hard. I don't even run much damage and never have an issue killing someone either so it honestly just seems to me that the issue is cp, because the few times I have tried it I was basically invincible, as was most people I tried to kill, and I never see any healing overperforming in no cp.

Kikke wrote: »

Remove healing, Remove Damage! There, we can now run around like the carebears we want to be!

Well its not about being carebare but fixing what is wrong.

Some running cheese unkillable builds and enjoying, visiting forum and posting nonconstructive feedback!

I think the main problem of healing (others) is that it is way too easy due to almost all heals being "smart" aoe heals. Just point in the general direction of your allies and spam those skills, and it will always heal the lowest health target(s). No targeting, thinking or decision making neccessary. Just spam. Makes bad healers way too efficient and is imo very boring to play.

There is no problem, L2P. Seriously. Some people say you don’t need healers, then people say they’re too powerful. Forums are getting ridiculous.