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Too Much Healing in PVP
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Everyone can super heal, whether you are in light armor, medium or heavy. This is killing PVP and pockets healers in organized/ball groups are mess!
Current state of healing in PVP is broken, ZOS should reduce healing to 75% via Battle Sprit
Go play as a magblade solo in the open. Healing isn't broken, it is that the classes are not on the same par as each other. Also, most stam players do not know how to heal correctly.
If you don't have the burst then that's something you need to look at rather then ask for your hand to be held....with a nerf, smh.
Yes i play as Magblade, healing is not too bad. Dark Cloak is getting nerf because of OP heals in PVP only. Infact tank in PVE will suffer because of this nerf.
I will call this as L2P if your magblade is dying because lack of healing.
Whenever fight starts, cast mutagen and keep healign ward on back bar if not using Dark Cloak.
Healing from Swallow Soul is not bad either.
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✭✭✭Well one thing I’ll say is nerfing healing would be a direct nerf to magicka. Right now stamina are perceived to be stronger in pvp for whatever reason, but mainly because magicka meta is purely to heal yourself.
Cross healing is very effective and stronger or just as strong as one pure healer. Most of the comments about healing being overpowered are people running selfish specs and haven’t adapted to a group pvp setting.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭TumlinTheJolly wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Everyone can super heal, whether you are in light armor, medium or heavy. This is killing PVP and pockets healers in organized/ball groups are mess!
Current state of healing in PVP is broken, ZOS should reduce healing to 75% via Battle Sprit
Agreed. Specifically in BGs and duels. They could maybe leave it at 50% in Cyro, but really they should just make it all 75%.
Damage is already too high in bgs , this would make bgs almost unplayable.
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭May sorc and mag blade can’t super heal ):Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Nah honestly there is a serious problem with how well self heals scale on DPS. It's barely if any damage lost for them. In some cases dps can self heal better
Inc new "Heal power" stat seperate from Spell Damage.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭May sorc and mag blade can’t super heal ):
Have you actually tried it? Magblade is probably the strongest pvp healing class.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shieldsFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
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It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
You should try it, it sounds like you’re using the wrong abilities.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
You should try it, it sounds like you’re using the wrong abilities.
It sounds like you play a speced out healerFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
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It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
You should try it, it sounds like you’re using the wrong abilities.
It sounds like you play a speced out healer
Yup. Have a templar, warden and NB pvp healer and prefer the NB. I play in higher MMR (not the highest though) on PC-NA and there’s one in EU too.
The devs said every class can heal but most people think rigidly across typical stereotypes or pve lines.
Every class has strengths and weaknesses but the advantage of NB healing is people don’t expect it so don’t know how to counter you.
Just don’t use funnel health/swallow soul or sap essence because they’re garbage as a healer and it’s a fun playstyle. Until the healing isn’t tied to how much damage you do they won’t be effective, you can’t really use them because you can’t spec for pen, plus people block, reflections, etc...
Basically it works solely because of refreshing path, soul Siphon, and healthy Offering plus NB utility skills/passives and cloak. Plus NBs have the best healing passives so resto abilities work well.Edited by Iskiab on April 23, 2019 1:41AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS does not have a clue about how to balance AvA and Trials together. They most likely can't be. The result is trash AvA gameplay that keeps getting worse.0 -
Lapin_Logic✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »KurtAngle2 wrote: »Healing is fine, adapt or lose
How can it be fine when you one click and heal fully + heal others?
????TELL ME THIS MAGICAL BUILD SO THAT I MAY GANK WITH IMPUNITY IN BATTLEGROUNDS.
seriously no one is out healing damage and "Pocket healers" are never redundant, 2 conclusions, you are a bad damage dealer or not a very good PVP healer. are you giving purges and resorces etc2 -
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It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
This is wildly innacurate.2 -
I think healing in pvp zones should be limited to 3 people plus your self. And have that maybe be a part of battle spirit
This would keep pve heals the same just reduce pvp heals0 -
PureEnvelope35✭✭✭✭That is the last thing we need in PvP!
Not everyone can run around with their friends, guilds, groups. Some of us like to go at it alone and without a good heal Cyrodiil would be even more of a horse riding simulator. I don't care if someone goes from 30% HP to 90% in one click. So can I. I want the fight to last. What's the point spending 10 minutes looking for a fight if it's only gonna last less than 10 seconds?
Just because people outheal your wall snipes or your gank burst, does not mean healing is broken.
Right. So perhaps Battle Spirit should reduce healing done to others more heavily, rather than healing received.
Self sustained heals seem okay. But healer is by far the most cancerous role in pvp and pretty overtuned. I have 0 investment into healing, yet still I 1 shot heal my friend.
So please people, don't claim that you need lots of modifiers or heal increases in order to heal for crazy amounts. This is absolutely false. Heals are strong without any CP or buffs put into it. This is true in both, pve and both. Heals that you produce are too strong on others. Which is why everyone with rank and name appears to have a Templar or Warden pocket healer. (Soon to be replaced by the mighty Necromancer who tops them all).
Exacty this, self heals are fine in open world, the issue comes in with those healbots who can save groups of players who are low hp, which is pretty inconvenient when you're solo or duo fighting larger groups. Like you said healing done/received by others should be reduced by battle but self heals should remain untouched.Fashion is the true endgame.PC EU1 -
Ramber✭✭✭✭there are HUNDREDS of videos of players just running around staying alive being chased by a dozen or more opposing players healing to 100 percent health after getting taken to 0 OVE AND OVER again... if heals are not broken then what is it? skill? lol nope.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Kuramas9tails wrote: »
Exactly. You combine Rally, vigor, potion and troll king and a Stamblade in cloak will be back to full health in seconds and keep that healing tick and increase in health regeneration for a good bit.CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Why? Complaining about healing in MMO pvp is illogical in itself. It’s like people saying the sky isn’t blue, then asking for proof when you say it is.
Proof healing isn’t overpowered? Stamina are dominating pvp. If healing was overpowered it’d be magicka classes who’d be dominating.
Depends on the content. Large scale it’s mag dominating, small scale it’s stam. And to be fair stam has a powerful heal coming from vigor & damage scaling with healing.
This puts things into solid perspective. Essentially 4 heals and they go from half health to full health. Working as it should.
Of course a solid team of experienced players with a good leader might use healing debuffs against this player and reduce how much healing they actually get.
That is the solution to what OP is upset about. To win you must be prepared to win.
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✭✭✭✭✭🤔 maybe if self heals scaled not as well for DPS and tanks. But honestly game was built on everyone have Independence from other roles. So not sure how you could.
Wut? Heals scale poorly for tanks unless they are build like a healer. I am surprise a comment like this from you. How in the heck can a true tank build heal as well as a healer?
I am not talking about a heal tank running with 3 DDs where all 4 players are skilled enough to not really need a full time healer in a 4 man dungeon because that heal tank is no where near as effective at healing and does not need to be.
That is not what your comment alluded to. You seem to indicate that tanks can heal very well. Besides, OP is not really talking about healers heals. They are talking about a good PvP group with good healers. They work well together. When I run with a small group in PvP I run as a healer. We are hard to beat but we are disciplined, have good leaders.
Against a good group the fight can last awhile. Against a bad group or one not setup very well the fight tends to be very short.
I am referencing how twlight Maritach does better max Magicka a player. It's essentially just to easy to build for dps and healing in most cases.
Im general though, I was saying he has a point. It's not just PvP, Healing in ESO is too powerful in many situations. It's what the root cause of healer relevence issue is about.
We either get harder hitting things like brp or take hits across board below.Edited by Tasear on April 23, 2019 6:08AM1 -
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields4 -
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
no it isn't.1 -
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✭when mediocre/bad dd meets good healer in PVP we have this kind of threads
actually we always have threads like *NURF!! IT IS OP!!* when someone with low skill
can't kill or die to someone more competent
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Prove me wrong. Tell me how 2.9 million healing in high MMR battlegrounds with 0 deaths is weak.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
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Prove me wrong. Tell me how 2.9 million healing in high MMR battlegrounds with 0 deaths is weak.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
no it isn't.
I didn’t want to bring up numbers.... I was going to and then realized talking about healing output in a nerf healing thread might be a bad idea.
That’s a record btw. Think it’s the highest ever.
Though you’re right. I haven’t seen a non-NB break 2 million.Edited by Iskiab on April 23, 2019 11:34AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
no it isn't.
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭Buff defile.
Buff oblivion damage.
Buff bleeds, please!
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Yea I know, it's just the sheep mentality of these people that triggers me. After all these years nb still isn't recognized as a good healer by many people.
Prove me wrong. Tell me how 2.9 million healing in high MMR battlegrounds with 0 deaths is weak.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
no it isn't.
I didn’t want to bring up numbers.... I was going to and then realized talking about healing output in a nerf healing thread might be a bad idea.
That’s a record btw. Think it’s the highest ever.
Though you’re right. I haven’t seen a non-NB break 2 million.
As far as total healing goes, I think it is only a problem in cp. And NO, we shouldn't buff befoul. That is a very bad mechanic that only leads to toxicity. The problem is cp making this game ridiculously imbalanced.
Fix cp.
Stop the blanket nerfs/buffs.
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Yea I know, it's just the sheep mentality of these people that triggers me. After all these years nb still isn't recognized as a good healer by many people.
Prove me wrong. Tell me how 2.9 million healing in high MMR battlegrounds with 0 deaths is weak.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Magblade is one of the strongest healers in pvp.
It’s the second worst healing class in the game. The only thing worse is sorc. When looking at PVP every class can get some very powerful healing but sorc and magbalde. For magbalde they try and stay alive with HOTs but with likely fall short most the time. Sorc just doesn’t have a ton of healing but they compensate with shields
no it isn't.
I didn’t want to bring up numbers.... I was going to and then realized talking about healing output in a nerf healing thread might be a bad idea.
That’s a record btw. Think it’s the highest ever.
Though you’re right. I haven’t seen a non-NB break 2 million.
As far as total healing goes, I think it is only a problem in cp. And NO, we shouldn't buff befoul. That is a very bad mechanic that only leads to toxicity. The problem is cp making this game ridiculously imbalanced.
Fix cp.
Stop the blanket nerfs/buffs.
Oh... I only play no-CP. Maybe that’s where the weird forum comments I see come from, CP effects gameplay a lot. That would make sense... stuff like Stamblades not sucking in pvp, healing being OP. It might be how CPs effect pvp.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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CP vs no CP is very different too.
So no CP BG vs CP OW is radically different to the point balance is essentially impossible2
