LukosCreyden wrote: »

It'll likely be used as a measuring stick, a bar to entry.

"Show us your datalog! If you don't have (these stats) you can't play with us!"

FFXIV players use a third party system. Technically not allowed, but the devs let it slide, which is fair enough. However, some folk are so toxic (and I hate using that word) that they will ceaselessly pester someone if their parses are not good enough. It is so bad at times that it has become something of a meme over there.

Fortunately, it seems ESO's system will be more personally "controllable", aka not automatically published online for all to see.

Its actually not very controllable by players in the Log, from what we know from @Kihra

You can set yourself to Anonymous and hide your name, which is not the default.

But beyond that, anyone in group with you can log the encounter and upload that log. That log can be Public (anyone can see it), Unlisted (anyone with the URL can see it), or Private (anyone in the "guild" can see it).

In short, it appears that anyone can log any enounter and share the logs with whoever they like.

Your options is to set yourself to anonymous (not the default, as far as we've heard), or if you later want to remove your character names, you have to make an account and claim your characters.

This is why I think Anonymous needs to be the default. What happens to the Logs after they are uploaded is entirely the decision of the Logger - you don't get any say in it except to set yourself to anonymous. The options make it clear that even "unlisted" or "Private" logs could be seen by quite a few people.

I'm trying to reserve judgment about the potential for abuse until it ends up on the PTS, but I have to admit I'm curious how ESO Logs intends to prevent people from creating a guild like "Post Hilariously Bad Parses Here!"

Kihra wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Just read the ToS of that website, where it's stated that our personal data WILL be collected (including ID, browsing data, etc.) and WILL BE SHARED/SOLD to third parties.

Note, you're misreading my site's Privacy Policy. It's just standard boilerplate language for showing ads on a Web site (e.g., Google AdSense). The only personal data the site collects is your email address for signup (and your ZOS account name if you choose to claim characters on the site). These are not shared with anyone. The email address is only used for account identification and to send signup and password reset emails, just like any other Web site with accounts.

not being rude but you cant have a "boilerplate" privacy policy and say that its not binding if its including within your T&C's then we have to assume thats the case, if it not the case then i strongly recommend re-writing them so they are accurate and factual

Shawn_PT wrote: »

I don't like being told 'you're not good enough'. I don't like people looking at my DPS/build/achievements and saying 'with your CP/gear/class/race you MUST pull at least xK DPS. If you can't, git gud and come back later, noob.'

I have met one person in my over 3 years of ESO. ONE. That took a bit of time to show me how to improve and helped me go from not feeling good enough for vet to being confident enough in my DPS to jump into the hardest stuff the game can throw at me and not be afraid of falling short. I can't pull 50K DPS but I can pull more than enough to get things done. And that's what is important.


One.


This won't make more people help those who are underperforming. This will only help singling them out and punting them from the groups.

Yeah, I have little faith in the community

Yeah the major problem is everyone just wants to speed run the hardest content i'm sure its doable with 20k dps but everyone wants 50k or so for the hardest one just to get it done faster

i thought with all the class,racial and cp balancing this game was a play who you want how you want??
ZOS seem to have lost that core ideal where now if you dont watch a certain yuotube and get their gear and build you have no place doing content you paid for. half the achievments in game are far beyond the mortal players and kept that way by an increasingly toxic elite, maybe instead of a log we should address the imbalance of the content itself

Shawn_PT wrote: »

I don't like being told 'you're not good enough'. I don't like people looking at my DPS/build/achievements and saying 'with your CP/gear/class/race you MUST pull at least xK DPS. If you can't, git gud and come back later, noob.'

I have met one person in my over 3 years of ESO. ONE. That took a bit of time to show me how to improve and helped me go from not feeling good enough for vet to being confident enough in my DPS to jump into the hardest stuff the game can throw at me and not be afraid of falling short. I can't pull 50K DPS but I can pull more than enough to get things done. And that's what is important.


One.


This won't make more people help those who are underperforming. This will only help singling them out and punting them from the groups.

Yeah, I have little faith in the community

Statistics 101: ALWAYS give us your n. Ofc you will only get help from on person if you ask only one person.

I have yet to see someone not getting help with his/her build rotation on Alcasts Discord within a day.
And guess what the people helping always ask for: CMX screenshot

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So much this.

Plus, it makes me wonder if this Studio is trying to lose a lot of the playerbase, because this looks like a very good move to achieve that. What a crap move.

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cheap fix for the EU server overload issues lol

I see that there's concern that fake "elite" groups that actually suck can use it to hate on people, but they're already a problem instead of the new feature. I think the tool is great for leaderboard groups and people who are pushing progression and want to positively see where people can improve, rather than just guessing based on how the pull went. You also can't use it live, so if someone is going to rage at you they can't be sure until after the encounter is over and done with.

Jhalin wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

GDPR ???

I do not give permission for my data to be available on a 3rd party website.

And I have no control over data uploaded by others, from which my DATA can be interpolated (Group Boss fights where someone did not turn it off etc)

Please get over yourself. No one’s coming after “your” data from combat actions in a video game, which you do actually give ZOS permission to distribute by agreeing to the TOS. Your account isn’t even technically yours.

Besides that, nothing about a combat encounter can give real life info. It’s not telling people your email, or telling them your full legal name, or sharing addresses, or telling them your shopping habits. What are you worried someone is going to find in these logs?

It’s for endgame players, and really any players who wants to perform their role better will find use in it. Everyone else will see no difference in their gaming experience. Chill the hell out

Stop saying “my account isn’t mine” you sound like a broken record.

Secondly: some people actually BOUGHT the physical disc of ESO. Shocker. So is it not their property then?

The physical disk is, the account made with it is still not yours. Nothing you do within the game is yours. None of the digital items are yours. Your characters’ names aren’t yours. You have zero ownership of anything within the game.

So in the purest sense, none of your data is being shared, because by agreeing to the ToS you acknowledge that all data created on their servers is the property of ZOS

Again: If someone bought a PHYSICAL COPY of the disk: it’s their property. Not ZoS’s

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Again: If someone bought a PHYSICAL COPY of the disk: it’s their property. Not ZoS’s

The disk is your property but not the software on the disk. Have you never read what you agree to when you buy and download software?

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Again: If someone bought a PHYSICAL COPY of the disk: it’s their property. Not ZoS’s

How's is that relevant ?
I mean, relevant in general... it seems pretty obvious that, in an online game with megaserves owned by the company, you don't "own" your characters and such, because there's nothing you can do with them without the servers..; the day the servers shut down, everything's gone, no matter how much time and crowns you invested in ESO.

But also, how is that relevant to the topic at hand ? My characters, gear and houses may not be my property, but the things I do in the game, the time I spend in it, the conversations I have with other players, and my combat statistics are, OF COURSE, private data. ZOS is free to analyze it (every company is entitled to analyze the behaviour of their customers in their relevant field), but if ZOS sold our gamer profiles to other companies for money, it would of course be a major breach of privacy. And, of course, it is a major breach of basic common sense.

How would you feel is you got a pop-up advertisement, or an email, from, say, Nividia (rhetorical example), like this :
"Hi, Player ! We've heard from ZOS that you've played 2000 hours of ESO on a GTX670, you should consider upgrading to our latest 1080 product ! And also since you've achieved great performances in ESO, you may be interested by Game XYZ.... "
Well, that's already what happens, albeit more discreetely, with targeted ads, and that's what our combat log data can/could be used for on a small third party side collecting and keeping that information. Note, I'm not saying they do nor will, but I'm saying they can.

TLDR : Ingame assets are not my property, but my behaviour in the game and my player profile are private data.

thedude33 wrote: »

No idea what this is about

@thedude33 On the last ESO live they presented a new feature that allows you to keep track of your and your group's performance. It collects all damage data and keeps track of your positions in throughout the instance. You can see graphs and icons move through the map of the dungeon while simultaneously checking out who was doing what when. This feature only works after the run is completed on a third party website so it can't be used to kick someone right there if they aren't dealing enough damage.
However you can't exactly opt out of the feature and can get your stats recorded and published against your will. You can choose to become anonymous, but that will only hide your name and nothing else, which still allows people who ran with you to determine your identity and talk badly about your lacking skill behind your back.
This thread discusses whether this feature is more useful or invasive.
I believe it is leaning on the invasive side as the feature to remain anonymous is not the default setting. It'll be up for testing on PTS on the 15th.