Lol and I thought games are meant to have fun and relax....

Raraaku wrote: »

The whole LA weave is a big reason why I don't typically role as DPS on harder content. I just can't do it consistently, and there is some conscious rebellion against doing it. I, personally, think its BS that the devs have embraced this "hidden" mechanic and yet do virtually nothing to teach a player how to do it, yet it is an expected skill (usually) for any veteran end-game content due to how much of a boost it provides to DPS roles. ZOS either needs to do a better job bringing attention and opportunities to practice in their game or find other avenues to help those who either don't want or can't do LA weaving.

Thank you. this is so true and so well put.

Just to be clear:

In a parse with no heavy attacks and no cast time skills, one should be averaging around one light attack per second? Less? More for some reason?

ilikepickles wrote: »

People suggesting an MMO mouse are dumb.
I hate those stupid things. They're clunky and awkward. I gave the one I had away.

I just bind everything to keyboard.

I briefly tried firing skills from an MMO mouse, a couple games ago. I hated it.

HOWEVER, I love my Logitech G300 series mice with ESO. Bar swap on an extra mouse button is super-smooth. Ditto synergy-grab/backstab (the X key by default). Ditto hide/unhide. I still have a serious problem with moving in combat, because the movement keys are operated by the same (left) hand that hits skills. But SOME of the game's traditional difficulties are pretty foreign to me.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

Indeed and i'd recommend the Logitech G600 combined with the G13 gaming pad...total game changer pun not intended

Glad a solution was found for the original poster problem.

Just to add to the conversation. Please allow us on console to be able to reassign our buttons the way we want and not left with the one setup you decide we should play with.

I have some arthritis in my hands and at times I am just physically about to perform AC correctly with my right index finger. I believe being able to move the trigger finger to another button would be very helpful at times. Their are times when I have a bad flare up that I don't do group content because I am not able to perform AC correctly.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re cancelling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

Something I do which may help is I am constantly spam clicking while fighting and I always watch my character. As soon as a skill goes off I wait to see the light attack animation start and then I press my next button and repeat. Try practicing on a dummy with just a spammable then slowly start a rotation. Don't try to go fast at first either, going fast will come with practice, get the feel for it down first.

I hope no mod is stupid enough to close this thread. It is NOT outdated.

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

People light attack weave with a keyboard? Only thing I use my keyboard for is movement. Sounds like you need to invest in a proper gaming mouse OP.

MMO mice aren't "proper gaming mice". They're overpriced junk. They're big, heavy, and have crappy sensors.

You can absolutely weave just fine with a mouse (a proper, lightweight mouse with a premium sensor) and keyboard.

mairwen85 wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still have this problem too. I have like 8000 hours in this game on steam and I think 1000 of them were trying to do this. I can't reliably do it. It's strange because in fighting games (on a keyboard) there's a lot more stuff to cancel and I even play guitar so it's not a problem with coordination or some undiagnosed arthritis. I just can't do it well in this game. I actually do use a razer naga too. I quit after not being able to do it for so long, came back recently and I can beat maelstrom and things like that fine (though that to me was more about learning to survive) but I can't do this weave stuff very well. I don't like other classes in this game or any games. I always play DPS, I am just better at reactive playstyles than animation canceling I guess at least canceling in this game. Also visually on-screen what I see when I can do it really throws me off. If I look away I can do it better but I die almost always. I don't know what it is about it in this game but it's was always an issue for me and still remains one.

I've been practicing for 4 weeks straight since I came back on top of the 1000 or more I mentioned from 2017/2018 and it's insane but the DPS is worse according to combat metrics for me when I attempt to "weave" I lose a lot more than just playing normally. BTW I am not the OP of this thread.

Make sure you’re canceling the light attack and not the ability. I’ve talked with some people who had this backwards. You want to light attack and press the ability right after.

I am sometimes. It's easy to get it mixed up though. I think it's just something I can't do well. I've watched recent videos people made on this and I a lot of it is doing it long term but also reliably, at least for me.

This sounds like you're going too fast. The trick is to slow down. Try this: don't worry about numbers to start with, just learn the rhythm - - hit light attack, wait for it to impact, then skill, wait for impact, repeat - - gradually get faster, or reduce speed until you find your sweet spot where you can comfortably hit the buttons sequentially in the smallest window. This will differ per person, per setup, so it will take some time. Start off just on one bar, no swapping, with just 1 or 2 skills. Once you can do that, extend to partial rotation without swapping until youre happy with it, then add in a bar swap and parse a full rotation. Again, not worrying about numbers, repeat that full rotation, have a breather in between until you have it down pat, then parse... Just parse. Slot your skills in the order you will execute them for smaller hand movements.

This is a lot harder on console due to input lag, anyone making the leap to pc should view their time on console as dragon ball z style gravity training...

heh, I get that DBZ reference. I feel like a female Vegeta looking at other players who can do it fine and Goku going super Saiyan while he was still struggling with it. I have been practicing this for 3 years and some and still just can't seem to get it. I probably am going to fast. I am used to very fast games and play quite a few outside of ESO. I wanted ESO to be a relaxing fantasy game and it is but when I get to playing harder content with others I am awful with this cancel stuff. I try but it's so hard to explain why it's not easy to do. I will keep practicing but I have put in more hours practicing weaving in ESO than I have learning to play and MASTER guitar. It's insane and very depressing. I so badly want to do vet stuff and get my monster helm and just do the vet dungeons but my DPS is bad. I feel bad even posting about it. It's embarrassing since I jump into other stuff I play and do so well and eso complete opposite. I have invested so much rl money into stuff in this game It feels like it's all for nothing if I just give up, yet 1000s of hours of trying to pull off weaving and not doing it discourages me. I can do maelstrom and stuff like that fine but that's more about surviving in my opinion or at least playstyle. I'm bored with doing normal dungeons and never touching vet or monster helm stuff because the times I tried I was doing awful damage.

And yes I have MMO mice and all kinds of mice for various games. I play a lot of games but this weave/canceling is just something I can't grasp. Another interesting thing is in the 3+ years I've been practicing light/weave and failing, I learned a new language and how to model in 3dsmax. I think if weaving was a thing I could actually do with practice and believe me I have, I'd have gotten it by now.

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

Uviryth wrote: »

Hi,
first of all, this is not a cry-post, I´m being sincere here.

Here is my problem: I cant light attack weave, no matter how much I practice. The combination of mouseclick and keyboardpress just isnt doable for me (I dont know, maybe my brain doesnt work in that manner).

Up until now I could play Stamina-DPS very well, because of Heavy Attackweaving. Unfortunately, since the patch, no matter how hard I try, I cant get past 25k.

So, my question is. Is there something I can do? Like use a specific class, or a specific itemset to get my dps back?

Thanks in advance.

Heavy attack sorcs are still viable. Lightning staves, sets to proc heavy attacks, off balance. It’s not meta, but still pretty strong.

I don't really see how you can have issues with light attack weaving, unlike what some people seem to suggest here, you can spam left click and pres your rotation and come out successfully light attack weaving. It's not a matter of perfect timing. People should stop spreading the myth that light attack weaving is impossible and takes ages to learn. The 1 second global cooldown on skills even allow for you to get a bash in there as well, at the cost of sustain.

If you're trying to learn it thinking it's the most convoluted thing in the world you will overthink it, and it will prob result in doing it wrong. Try and spam left click during your rotation at different click rates and at some point it will match perfectly with your skill cast.