technohic wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

Siege weapons are definitly not the only thing they broke
Made me laugh so hard by the way

So thats the guy in the waiting room in Beetlejuice.

beat me to it.

I'd rather they didn't fix this. It's way more fun even when on the other end of it. Makes us pay more attention and play better. Prefer it this way.

In my personal opinion the best way to fix siege would be to do the following:

Increase time it takes to set up and take down siege to 10s. This way it isn't just busted out in field combat, requires tactics and forethought, and requires more time and can be interrupted. This also gives a little more siege time for a group hitting an empty keep that just 'one guard' is there, and that one person can't just bust out multiple coldfire and hold off an entire raid, but could still take out a small group.

In my opinion this is the best way to make it a specific keep tactics thing instead of affecting open field combat which is what most people I've talked with hated about the current change.

Next, make specific siege unpurgable. Yes, this is going to hurt, and I'll get pushback here, but I think its the best way to solve things: We already have a tool for reducing damage from siege, siege shield. This should reduce all damage from countersiege and allows for group coordination, but is expensive, can't be spammed and serves the exact purpose we want. However, right now its much easier for a coordinated group with siege spammers to purge oils and siege off, making countersiege not enormously effective without significant damage buffs, and encourages an already in my personal opinion broken and boring mechanic (mind you, I'm a healer than slots purge and uses it frequently). It also means you are reducing the tactical use of purge to remove CCs and other things because siege dots are eating many of the purge casts. At the very minimum, oils should not be purgable, but I think in general all siege damage should not be and should be tuned around it.

This means that solo players who don't have purge or their class doesn't give a cheap personal purge (magdens and templars come to mind), that they're not significantly worse off about a single hit from countersiege. It may be that the fire rate of fire ballista and catapults needs to be increased but the damage over time reduced to make the tradeoff make sense. So that you can stack a whole bunch of countersiege dots on people from multiple hits and each stack adds up, but individual hits do not. This is an area that would require testing obviously.

Additionally, I like the idea of using some more differentiation on defenses from different catapults and ballista beyond the current design. I did not enjoy the oblivion-damage style of siege where it ignored every tool in a toolbox to reduce damage, but the idea of some piece going through major evasion (lets say scattershot), while oil ignoring armor, and lightning ignoring protection effects might help differentiate and make the type of damage you're taking something you need to pay attention to. I'm not as certain of a change like this, but it feels like the kind of interesting mechanic many people could get behind if it is explained clearly in game and maybe even given tutorial prompts to players being hit by it.

What do people think about this kind of shift? I know my perspective as playing largely in groups will affect my views, but I think this would be the most elegant way to handle things without constant iteration.

Mayrael wrote: »

After week of playing both on Vivec and Sotha these are my thoughts:
- It's not so bad. After 3-4 deaths from sieges I have learned how to counter them now, TBH it's even easier for me now than it used to be (I've survived 2 simultaneous cold fire hits + player on my back), since then I died just a few times because of sieges - when I was paying not enough attention aka my bad.

- Coordinated siege fire finally is dangerous even against ball groups. With my friend we were able to coordinate our siege fire so it really was deadly for those groups. Ironically single player with a bit of knowledge, reflex and skill can avoid death from it. Nothing stops ball groups from doing the same but it seems that they are lacking some of above traits if they die because of siege fire. Who is really skill less?


- After all this doesn't look so bad, keeps are being taken and defended. Bad players die faster while good ones adapted almost immediately. There is much less "wanna be ball groups", just the really good ones left and they deserve respect.

It was never bad anytime siege was powerful. It's just forum QQ usually wins out over anything.

"Skilled" Roaming Potato Bowls..

That's unfortunate.

Minno wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

After week of playing both on Vivec and Sotha these are my thoughts:
- It's not so bad. After 3-4 deaths from sieges I have learned how to counter them now, TBH it's even easier for me now than it used to be (I've survived 2 simultaneous cold fire hits + player on my back), since then I died just a few times because of sieges - when I was paying not enough attention aka my bad.

- Coordinated siege fire finally is dangerous even against ball groups. With my friend we were able to coordinate our siege fire so it really was deadly for those groups. Ironically single player with a bit of knowledge, reflex and skill can avoid death from it. Nothing stops ball groups from doing the same but it seems that they are lacking some of above traits if they die because of siege fire. Who is really skill less?


- After all this doesn't look so bad, keeps are being taken and defended. Bad players die faster while good ones adapted almost immediately. There is much less "wanna be ball groups", just the really good ones left and they deserve respect.

It was never bad anytime siege was powerful. It's just forum QQ usually wins out over anything.

"Skilled" Roaming Potato Bowls..

The only time in the history of MMOs where a company accidentally solved lag issues only to revert the changes lol.

Loooool. No kidding, problem is I only want to play Elder Scrolls or Asherons Call.

So I'm foolish enough to stick around.