What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

Yeah on my medium werewolf prototype build I'm in the last stages, tested playing with Claws of Life again since I felt my heals weren't quite cutting it in medium and pack leader vs berserker.
Results= I missed the defile abit but due to the fact that you have to recast it every 4 seconds and people just heal through it anyway not to mention the strong drain on my resources I felt the Constant heals from Claws of life were more then worth it. Expecially with my high crit damage multiplier & the 10 % extra crit healing received the CoL ticks were constantly at 1.6-1.8k/ target so in medium Claws of Life way superior to an,guish since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers). The burst was way better against 90% of the targets but it struggled with tanks and healers but enough to get their attention and to force them into kiting and restoultspamming so yeah job done with a external defile from another heav, ww they died extremly fast. Basically on medium =Claws of Life since the extra damage boost makes it quite nice ; heavy armor=constitution makes col overkill plus the lower damage output makes Coa better to build up pressure since the burst damage isn't as high.
I think that the khajiit races passive next patch should help bump up the col effectiveness in a double way since the crits will hit harder meaning the return heals will be higher and if the returns crit they will also be 10% higher also the changed implosion passive will bump up the return heal.
Pack leader vs Beserker:
Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

I will read the above when I have more time. The abbreviations are killing me lol.

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

I updated the build, should have the new stuff in it now, what do you think
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
@Qbiken

Looks good. Have you tried it out yet? How do you generate ulti. I'm using bow back bar to get WW set up.

thedude33 wrote: »

What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

Keep in mind that it is hard to be always over cap in PvP where your attackers can have penetration values in the 15000 range.

Yoav wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Yoav wrote: »

I know this is kinda odd, but I'm playing as a DK breton pup.
Do I have any hope at all? I know breton is a magicka race, and the only benefit I see from using one is for the cheaper heal ("only" 400 less, but more sustain I guess).

The only way I thought it will be "meta", by wearing either "dragur hulk" or "bone pirate" (for more stamina), and some proc/damage set (for more weapon damage)...

Maybe one day they will change both werewolf and vampire to work off the highest stat instead of from an individual pool, but until then - can I do something to make my wolf work? or there is no chance?

I wouldn't worry about it. The differences between races arent that big as to make a werewolf useless. You will most likely be fine unless you are trying to perform in the top 0.1% group.

Thanks alot for cheering me up, I thought the same aswell (races only matter for PvE)
Do you have any tips/suggestions for a PVP breton dk werewolf? should I use the normal fury/bonepirate s&b+2h combo (as every stamdk using), or something special like a hybrid dw/bow or something?

Any breton pups over here? don't be shy to share your experience...

Well, i do not have a breton wolf, but i think the normal WW setups should fit you well enough. My argonian stamplar WW is using medium fortified brass with automaton and bloodspawn (i know its not ideal but its a general build, not specifically werewolf one).

Qbiken wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

Depends on how you plan to mitigate incoming damage. If you want to "face-tank" players then you need to invest more into physical- and spell resistance. If you rely more on kiting and dodge-roll to avoid damage, then you can get away with less. So really up to you and what playstyle you prefer. But generally speaking you can never really go wrong with sitting at or above resistance hard cap (33k) or slightly above it.

Pack leader vs Beserker:
Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

Inb4 this becomes a console roast, some of you guys are ok tho
I feel this is a console thing about Pack-Leader being more damage, not going to lie, but my combat metrics says the complete opposite. For PvE this is absolutely true but in PvP Berserker comes out ahead everytime.

but........

•All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

This might change things up a bit, but since Wrathstone has only been up for a day, I haven´t been able to check the difference in damage, but the wolves have a habit of wandering of quite a lot, hence the reason why I prefer berserker.

since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers).

I don´t know about you, but only time I hit 11k howls is if my enemy is in PvE gear :P. But then again, most people on PC/EU run around with very tanky builds (not tanks by defenition but very high survivability).

I had them very very often yesterday ;-)

Qbiken wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

Depends on how you plan to mitigate incoming damage. If you want to "face-tank" players then you need to invest more into physical- and spell resistance. If you rely more on kiting and dodge-roll to avoid damage, then you can get away with less. So really up to you and what playstyle you prefer. But generally speaking you can never really go wrong with sitting at or above resistance hard cap (33k) or slightly above it.

Pack leader vs Beserker:
Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

Inb4 this becomes a console roast, some of you guys are ok tho
I feel this is a console thing about Pack-Leader being more damage, not going to lie, but my combat metrics says the complete opposite. For PvE this is absolutely true but in PvP Berserker comes out ahead everytime.

but........

•All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

This might change things up a bit, but since Wrathstone has only been up for a day, I haven´t been able to check the difference in damage, but the wolves have a habit of wandering of quite a lot, hence the reason why I prefer berserker.

since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers).

I don´t know about you, but only time I hit 11k howls is if my enemy is in PvE gear :P. But then again, most people on PC/EU run around with very tanky builds (not tanks by defenition but very high survivability).

You can make them attack a certain target by HA the target btw but I'll keep trying the morphs out

@Qbiken
WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch
Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
So yeah as far as i can see for a target with those resistances if both pets are alive and attacking your target(heavy attack to fixate them on a target) the pack leader is better but; for quick targeting and putting up pressure without having to heavy attack beserker is better. On console of course many people target pets so thats an added bonus I guess.....
On the other hand im in medium and fast so i dont really need the pets as a distraction so i guess for my setup beserker with the quicker burst setup time might be better but idk tbh.

Over here sometimes but they rarely have any damage worth mentioning so they are usually ignored ^^

Qbiken wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

@Qbiken
WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch

Well, the higher resistance and tankier targets you face, the better berserker is. Here on PC/EU even most light and medium armor setup runs 30k+ resistances, so berserker with the extra bleed damage is definitely worth it for me.

Well that must make pvp extremly boring with everyone running around as a tank^^

Well keep in mind you PC guys always have a more or less flawless performance. Im sure youve heard alot of the infamous console pvp performance^^ builds are a bit different and people cant always react as they would like to due to lag etc.
So people probably die quicker here then on PC.

Qbiken wrote: »

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

Well keep in mind you PC guys always have a more or less flawless performance. Im sure youve heard alot of the infamous console pvp performance^^ builds are a bit different and people cant always react as they would like to due to lag etc.
So people probably die quicker here then on PC.

cries in sub 20 FPS and 150+ ping as avarage

:-D at least you dont constantly crash like most of us do(most people i know at least 1x / hour

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

@Qbiken
WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch
Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
So yeah as far as i can see for a target with those resistances if both pets are alive and attacking your target(heavy attack to fixate them on a target) the pack leader is better but; for quick targeting and putting up pressure without having to heavy attack beserker is better. On console of course many people target pets so thats an added bonus I guess.....
On the other hand im in medium and fast so i dont really need the pets as a distraction so i guess for my setup beserker with the quicker burst setup time might be better but idk tbh.

Does console not have a "command pet" button? On PC all you have to do is hold this keybind and left click to send them to a target or right click to call them back to you.