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Werewolf Theorycrafting (PvP)

  • thedude33
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    What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    By my experience 32k - 35k
    Im in medium and I habe 32k atm
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Yeah on my medium werewolf prototype build I'm in the last stages, tested playing with Claws of Life again since I felt my heals weren't quite cutting it in medium and pack leader vs berserker.
    Results= I missed the defile abit but due to the fact that you have to recast it every 4 seconds and people just heal through it anyway not to mention the strong drain on my resources I felt the Constant heals from Claws of life were more then worth it. Expecially with my high crit damage multiplier & the 10 % extra crit healing received the CoL ticks were constantly at 1.6-1.8k/ target so in medium Claws of Life way superior to an,guish since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers). The burst was way better against 90% of the targets but it struggled with tanks and healers but enough to get their attention and to force them into kiting and restoultspamming so yeah job done with a external defile from another heav, ww they died extremly fast. Basically on medium =Claws of Life since the extra damage boost makes it quite nice ; heavy armor=constitution makes col overkill plus the lower damage output makes Coa better to build up pressure since the burst damage isn't as high.
    I think that the khajiit races passive next patch should help bump up the col effectiveness in a double way since the crits will hit harder meaning the return heals will be higher and if the returns crit they will also be 10% higher also the changed implosion passive will bump up the return heal.
    Pack leader vs Beserker:
    Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    I also tested the tactician passive on my Wolf yesterday, very nice in medium since seing how many range dps are targeting you and pulling bowtards out of stealth.
    Need to bump up my thick skinned to 20% I noticed that when getting chased and ccd soul assaults were hitting me for 15k damage average.
    Edited by IlCanis_LupuslI on February 26, 2019 7:06AM
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • thedude33
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    I will read the above when I have more time. The abbreviations are killing me lol.
  • Yoav
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    Sharee wrote: »
    Yoav wrote: »
    I know this is kinda odd, but I'm playing as a DK breton pup.
    Do I have any hope at all? I know breton is a magicka race, and the only benefit I see from using one is for the cheaper heal ("only" 400 less, but more sustain I guess).

    The only way I thought it will be "meta", by wearing either "dragur hulk" or "bone pirate" (for more stamina), and some proc/damage set (for more weapon damage)...

    Maybe one day they will change both werewolf and vampire to work off the highest stat instead of from an individual pool, but until then - can I do something to make my wolf work? or there is no chance? :/

    I wouldn't worry about it. The differences between races arent that big as to make a werewolf useless. You will most likely be fine unless you are trying to perform in the top 0.1% group.
    Thanks alot for cheering me up, I thought the same aswell (races only matter for PvE)
    Do you have any tips/suggestions for a PVP breton dk werewolf? should I use the normal fury/bonepirate s&b+2h combo (as every stamdk using), or something special like a hybrid dw/bow or something?

    Any breton pups over here? don't be shy to share your experience... :wink:
  • thedude33
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    I updated the build, should have the new stuff in it now, what do you think
    https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
    @Qbiken

    Looks good. Have you tried it out yet? How do you generate ulti. I'm using bow back bar to get WW set up.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Oh trust me as a Melee fighter im in the thick of it anyway and as a stamsorc I have reduced ult cost. I could use heroic slash instead of pierce armor but after a fight I usually just charge up my ww on Adds in front of caves. And pierce armor hist so much harder then heroic slash imo and its cheaper.
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • Sharee
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

    Keep in mind that it is hard to be always over cap in PvP where your attackers can have penetration values in the 15000 range.
    Yoav wrote: »
    Sharee wrote: »
    Yoav wrote: »
    I know this is kinda odd, but I'm playing as a DK breton pup.
    Do I have any hope at all? I know breton is a magicka race, and the only benefit I see from using one is for the cheaper heal ("only" 400 less, but more sustain I guess).

    The only way I thought it will be "meta", by wearing either "dragur hulk" or "bone pirate" (for more stamina), and some proc/damage set (for more weapon damage)...

    Maybe one day they will change both werewolf and vampire to work off the highest stat instead of from an individual pool, but until then - can I do something to make my wolf work? or there is no chance? :/

    I wouldn't worry about it. The differences between races arent that big as to make a werewolf useless. You will most likely be fine unless you are trying to perform in the top 0.1% group.
    Thanks alot for cheering me up, I thought the same aswell (races only matter for PvE)
    Do you have any tips/suggestions for a PVP breton dk werewolf? should I use the normal fury/bonepirate s&b+2h combo (as every stamdk using), or something special like a hybrid dw/bow or something?

    Any breton pups over here? don't be shy to share your experience... :wink:

    Well, i do not have a breton wolf, but i think the normal WW setups should fit you well enough. My argonian stamplar WW is using medium fortified brass with automaton and bloodspawn (i know its not ideal but its a general build, not specifically werewolf one).
  • Qbiken
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

    Depends on how you plan to mitigate incoming damage. If you want to "face-tank" players then you need to invest more into physical- and spell resistance. If you rely more on kiting and dodge-roll to avoid damage, then you can get away with less. So really up to you and what playstyle you prefer. But generally speaking you can never really go wrong with sitting at or above resistance hard cap (33k) or slightly above it.
    Pack leader vs Beserker:
    Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

    Inb4 this becomes a console roast, some of you guys are ok tho :)
    I feel this is a console thing about Pack-Leader being more damage, not going to lie, but my combat metrics says the complete opposite. For PvE this is absolutely true but in PvP Berserker comes out ahead everytime.

    but........

    •All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.


    This might change things up a bit, but since Wrathstone has only been up for a day, I haven´t been able to check the difference in damage, but the wolves have a habit of wandering of quite a lot, hence the reason why I prefer berserker.
    since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers).

    I don´t know about you, but only time I hit 11k howls is if my enemy is in PvE gear :P. But then again, most people on PC/EU run around with very tanky builds (not tanks by defenition but very high survivability).
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    thedude33 wrote: »
    What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

    Depends on how you plan to mitigate incoming damage. If you want to "face-tank" players then you need to invest more into physical- and spell resistance. If you rely more on kiting and dodge-roll to avoid damage, then you can get away with less. So really up to you and what playstyle you prefer. But generally speaking you can never really go wrong with sitting at or above resistance hard cap (33k) or slightly above it.
    Pack leader vs Beserker:
    Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

    Inb4 this becomes a console roast, some of you guys are ok tho :)
    I feel this is a console thing about Pack-Leader being more damage, not going to lie, but my combat metrics says the complete opposite. For PvE this is absolutely true but in PvP Berserker comes out ahead everytime.

    but........

    •All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.


    This might change things up a bit, but since Wrathstone has only been up for a day, I haven´t been able to check the difference in damage, but the wolves have a habit of wandering of quite a lot, hence the reason why I prefer berserker.
    since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers).

    I don´t know about you, but only time I hit 11k howls is if my enemy is in PvE gear :P. But then again, most people on PC/EU run around with very tanky builds (not tanks by defenition but very high survivability).

    I had them very very often yesterday ;-)
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • TankHealz2015
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    Currently: Khajiit - Stamina - DK - WW - dual wield (sharp mace + precise dagger)/ bow

    Wearing: Slimecraw + Gryphon's Ferocity (body) + Pilar of Nirn (weapons+jewelry)

    Gyphon's Ferocity

    LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

    (2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
    (3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
    (4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
    (5 items) After dealing direct damage, gain Minor Force and Minor Expedition for 3 seconds, increasing your Critical Damage done by 10% and increasing your Movement Speed by 10%.


    Recommendations on what set to use instead of Pilar of Nirn? Im just solo questing at moment,, but for Vet DLC Dungeons and Cyridil open world/grouped PvP ????

    which enchants? currently using stam return enchants... just cause have not changed them out...

    Toothrow? Leviathon?
    I'd love to use Hunt Leader --- but farming Maelstrom SU@#$@##%$#$ and I don't spend enough time in WW form either...
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    thedude33 wrote: »
    What's the sweet spot for resists when not in Werewolf form? When not on my stamblade I tend to err on the side of tankiness so I can survive in PvP. I'm thinking I might be way over the cap when in WW form.

    Depends on how you plan to mitigate incoming damage. If you want to "face-tank" players then you need to invest more into physical- and spell resistance. If you rely more on kiting and dodge-roll to avoid damage, then you can get away with less. So really up to you and what playstyle you prefer. But generally speaking you can never really go wrong with sitting at or above resistance hard cap (33k) or slightly above it.
    Pack leader vs Beserker:
    Look I know that berserker is supposed to be better damage wise but as far as I saw it the bleeds did 1k more damage per tick on average and since my ww pets do 600/wolf every 0.5 seco ds so if I get my 2 pets on a target and he's not a super tank they usually put up more pressure then berserker bleed.

    Inb4 this becomes a console roast, some of you guys are ok tho :)
    I feel this is a console thing about Pack-Leader being more damage, not going to lie, but my combat metrics says the complete opposite. For PvE this is absolutely true but in PvP Berserker comes out ahead everytime.

    but........

    •All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.


    This might change things up a bit, but since Wrathstone has only been up for a day, I haven´t been able to check the difference in damage, but the wolves have a habit of wandering of quite a lot, hence the reason why I prefer berserker.
    since as a medium wolf I rely more on my houls which because of a reduced ability cost of medium I can afford to use more often and they were critting for 11k average against the usual pvp targets(non tanks or healers).

    I don´t know about you, but only time I hit 11k howls is if my enemy is in PvE gear :P. But then again, most people on PC/EU run around with very tanky builds (not tanks by defenition but very high survivability).

    You can make them attack a certain target by HA the target btw but I'll keep trying the morphs out
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • miteba
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    Do you guys have a WW guild in EU?
    I have like 4 ww chars, different classes and races. But i only PvP with DC.
    (13 DC, 1 EP and 1AD)

    Edit: PM me if you prefer 😋
    Edited by miteba on February 26, 2019 2:17PM
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    @Qbiken
    WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
    Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
    Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
    Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
    Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
    Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch
    Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
    So yeah as far as i can see for a target with those resistances if both pets are alive and attacking your target(heavy attack to fixate them on a target) the pack leader is better but; for quick targeting and putting up pressure without having to heavy attack beserker is better. On console of course many people target pets so thats an added bonus I guess.....
    On the other hand im in medium and fast so i dont really need the pets as a distraction so i guess for my setup beserker with the quicker burst setup time might be better but idk tbh.
    Edited by IlCanis_LupuslI on February 26, 2019 3:43PM
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • Qbiken
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    @Qbiken
    WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
    Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
    Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
    Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
    Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
    Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch

    Well, the higher resistance and tankier targets you face, the better berserker is. Here on PC/EU even most light and medium armor setup runs 30k+ resistances, so berserker with the extra bleed damage is definitely worth it for me.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Over here sometimes but they rarely have any damage worth mentioning so they are usually ignored ^^
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    But ill keep testing beserker, the 2k crit bleeds kinda amazed me tbh vs a average target(over here)
    Its more the quicker pressure build up on beserker which kinda is the main thing im hoping for in the beserker....
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    @Qbiken
    WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
    Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
    Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
    Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
    Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
    Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch

    Well, the higher resistance and tankier targets you face, the better berserker is. Here on PC/EU even most light and medium armor setup runs 30k+ resistances, so berserker with the extra bleed damage is definitely worth it for me.

    Well that must make pvp extremly boring with everyone running around as a tank^^
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • Qbiken
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    @Qbiken
    WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
    Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
    Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
    Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
    Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
    Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch

    Well, the higher resistance and tankier targets you face, the better berserker is. Here on PC/EU even most light and medium armor setup runs 30k+ resistances, so berserker with the extra bleed damage is definitely worth it for me.

    Well that must make pvp extremly boring with everyone running around as a tank^^

    More and more people run protective jewellery, which is barely a trade of by itself. Gives you the same resistances as a heavy armor build, but with the damage benefits of medium and light. A result of the increasing damage the last two patches (especially in Murkmire)
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Well keep in mind you PC guys always have a more or less flawless performance. Im sure youve heard alot of the infamous console pvp performance^^ builds are a bit different and people cant always react as they would like to due to lag etc.
    So people probably die quicker here then on PC.
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • Qbiken
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    Well keep in mind you PC guys always have a more or less flawless performance. Im sure youve heard alot of the infamous console pvp performance^^ builds are a bit different and people cant always react as they would like to due to lag etc.
    So people probably die quicker here then on PC.

    cries in sub 20 FPS and 150+ ping as avarage
  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    Well keep in mind you PC guys always have a more or less flawless performance. Im sure youve heard alot of the infamous console pvp performance^^ builds are a bit different and people cant always react as they would like to due to lag etc.
    So people probably die quicker here then on PC.

    cries in sub 20 FPS and 150+ ping as avarage

    :-D at least you dont constantly crash like most of us do(most people i know at least 1x / hour
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
  • thedude33
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    Deciding on sets. To confirm, armor procs don't work in WW form? So Bone Pirate monster set or 7th legion gear won't proc?
  • Koolio
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    Deciding on sets. To confirm, armor procs don't work in WW form? So Bone Pirate monster set or 7th legion gear won't proc?

    I wear 7th Briarheart and Bogdan

    7th and Briarheart can no longer proc Bogdan.

    Been running this for about 2 years

    I guess I’ll just build 40k plus health now like they want us too
  • thedude33
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    Koolio wrote: »
    thedude33 wrote: »
    Deciding on sets. To confirm, armor procs don't work in WW form? So Bone Pirate monster set or 7th legion gear won't proc?

    I wear 7th Briarheart and Bogdan

    7th and Briarheart can no longer proc Bogdan.

    Been running this for about 2 years

    I guess I’ll just build 40k plus health now like they want us too

    Sorry bud, dunno what that means. Trying to figure out if in WW form, my gear can still proc
  • Koolio
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    thedude33 wrote: »
    Koolio wrote: »
    thedude33 wrote: »
    Deciding on sets. To confirm, armor procs don't work in WW form? So Bone Pirate monster set or 7th legion gear won't proc?

    I wear 7th Briarheart and Bogdan

    7th and Briarheart can no longer proc Bogdan.

    Been running this for about 2 years

    I guess I’ll just build 40k plus health now like they want us too

    Sorry bud, dunno what that means. Trying to figure out if in WW form, my gear can still proc

    Yes they can

    The heal from 7th legion can’t proc Troll king
  • Mr_Wolfe
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    Yoav wrote: »
    Sharee wrote: »
    Yoav wrote: »
    I know this is kinda odd, but I'm playing as a DK breton pup.
    Do I have any hope at all? I know breton is a magicka race, and the only benefit I see from using one is for the cheaper heal ("only" 400 less, but more sustain I guess).

    The only way I thought it will be "meta", by wearing either "dragur hulk" or "bone pirate" (for more stamina), and some proc/damage set (for more weapon damage)...

    Maybe one day they will change both werewolf and vampire to work off the highest stat instead of from an individual pool, but until then - can I do something to make my wolf work? or there is no chance? :/

    I wouldn't worry about it. The differences between races arent that big as to make a werewolf useless. You will most likely be fine unless you are trying to perform in the top 0.1% group.
    Thanks alot for cheering me up, I thought the same aswell (races only matter for PvE)
    Do you have any tips/suggestions for a PVP breton dk werewolf? should I use the normal fury/bonepirate s&b+2h combo (as every stamdk using), or something special like a hybrid dw/bow or something?

    Any breton pups over here? don't be shy to share your experience... :wink:

    I've got a Breton wolf build in the works, haven't taken her for a spin yet but it looks promising. A Breton wolf's strength is in their survivability, which goes nicely with a dragonknight's defensive abilities. The Breton's max magicka, magicka regen, and magicka cost reduction means you can use your heal more often, while the extra magic resistance will help against all those ball groups running destro staves in PvP.

    This means you can run a standard stamina/werewolf dps setup and have better healing than the average stamwolf, or really lean into the survivability and build a nigh-unkillable tank. With the new changes, the Curse Eater set could be particularly interesting on a build like that.
  • Ace_SiN
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    @Qbiken
    WW Beserker vs Pack leader:
    Beserker bleeds: 1.973k/ second crit, 1.45k non crit vs a target with average crit resistance and resistances
    Pack leader bleeds + pets(you can controll them by HA: Pets 836/ second crit x2(720 non crit/second)+ 1.3k crits(1k non crit )bleed
    Target has 23k resistances and 2.7k critical resistances in heavy armor
    Houl of agony: non crit 6.7k crit: 8.7k vs the mentioned target
    Mind you this is on xbox where we havent had all the buffs to khajiit yet and the implosion changes so the base damage will increase by 5% with the new implosion and my mechanical aquity burst should increase by 15% isch
    Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=118502
    So yeah as far as i can see for a target with those resistances if both pets are alive and attacking your target(heavy attack to fixate them on a target) the pack leader is better but; for quick targeting and putting up pressure without having to heavy attack beserker is better. On console of course many people target pets so thats an added bonus I guess.....
    On the other hand im in medium and fast so i dont really need the pets as a distraction so i guess for my setup beserker with the quicker burst setup time might be better but idk tbh.

    Does console not have a "command pet" button? On PC all you have to do is hold this keybind and left click to send them to a target or right click to call them back to you.
    Edited by Ace_SiN on February 27, 2019 7:55AM
    King of Beasts

  • IlCanis_LupuslI
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    Nope at least none I know of. Your welcome to educate me if you know something like that for Xbox ;-)
    Cp 1490
    Xbox-EU-AD
    Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
    Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
    Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
    Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
    Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.
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