Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.
Um. You're playing this game WHY?
Nev'mind. I don't want to know.
I love the game.
IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »The change race token is very misleading.
No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.
So you have two choices;
- Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
- Roll a new toon
If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.
Yes it is misleading.
Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
/ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
adjective
giving the wrong idea or impression.
"your article contains a number of misleading statements"
synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;
There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;
"This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."
Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.
So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.
Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.
Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.
IndyWendieGo wrote: »The change race token is very misleading.
No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.
So you have two choices;
- Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
- Roll a new toon
If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.
Yes it is misleading.
For someone who regularly sniffes glue maybe.
There's a lot of ground between abusing glue and a finding a token called change race that only let's you choose a couple options out of many misleading.
Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it..
Bouldercleave wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it..
And it is at this exact moment that you lost most of us here.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Kinda like talking to a brick...
Sheezabeast wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »entitled brats
Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.
Definition of anti-consumer: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers.
Merriam-Webster definition of anti-consumer. ZOS went from offering 1 token and no name change, to offering 3, and including 3 name change tokens. They also ran sales on the tokens in the store. Not to mention they just recently gifted us the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward, and the Summerset event gave us several nice free things for minimal effort. I would hardly call that being anti-consumer.

CleymenZero wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »entitled brats
Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.
Definition of anti-consumer: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers.
Merriam-Webster definition of anti-consumer. ZOS went from offering 1 token and no name change, to offering 3, and including 3 name change tokens. They also ran sales on the tokens in the store. Not to mention they just recently gifted us the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward, and the Summerset event gave us several nice free things for minimal effort. I would hardly call that being anti-consumer.
That's an opinion of someone that has a different context. How many toons do you actively play in pve and pvp?
Do you do any competitive or even mildly challenging content (casual vMoL, casual Crags HM etc.)?
What is the hardest content you have completed?
All these question are not to discredit you in any way, they are to set the context. Someone who thinks what is happening is reasonable has a different context.
I am on the complete opposite side. I don't call 16% and 20% off a sale. It's not entitlement, they created an expense for me. Although I like the changes, I didn't need them just as I don't necessarily need to change ALL my characters but those changes costing me money is not OK. Find another way to make me spend....
Sheezabeast wrote: »
ZOS literally just increased everyone's character slots by one, did you not know? How could someone not have that available, since it was just given to us?
O.O @Sheezabeast When did this happen and where do I find the post or announcement of this?
Reading a story about some war isn't going to address why I can't use a change race token to change to a race I want without purchasing another upgrade.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Kinda like talking to a brick...
IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »The change race token is very misleading.
No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.
So you have two choices;
- Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
- Roll a new toon
If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.
Yes it is misleading.
Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
/ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
adjective
giving the wrong idea or impression.
"your article contains a number of misleading statements"
synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;
There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;
"This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."
Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.
So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.
Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.
Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.
Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.
This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.
You don't care about the story? Your choice.
Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.
Says they love the game but pays absolutely no attention to lore XDDSylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....
Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".
Good luck with everything.
I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.
Um. You're playing this game WHY?
Nev'mind. I don't want to know.
I love the game.
Reading a story about some war isn't going to address why I can't use a change race token to change to a race I want without purchasing another upgrade.
IndyWendieGo wrote: »IndyWendieGo wrote: »The change race token is very misleading.
No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.
So you have two choices;
- Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
- Roll a new toon
If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.
Yes it is misleading.
Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
/ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
adjective
giving the wrong idea or impression.
"your article contains a number of misleading statements"
synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;
There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;
"This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."
Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.
So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.
Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.
Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.
And you can change race to the ones available to you. It's like with reservation of seats in a plane. If you payed for second class seats then you can't switch your seat for business class, you have what you paid for. Giving you an option to choose from all races would be unfair vs all the players who bought the upgrade.
Also saying "I don't read anything" is just a shot in your own foot. When you sign up an agreement it doesn't matter will you read it or not, you are obligated to fulfill it. Not knowing the law can't save you from punishment etc. etc.
AbysmalGhul wrote: »Not really misleading. You can techinically change into another race...just not the one you were hoping for.
AbysmalGhul wrote: »Not really misleading. You can techinically change into another race...just not the one you were hoping for.
lol, not misleading because technically...
Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.
This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.
You don't care about the story? Your choice.
Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.
Your argument that some make believe story justifies having to buy an expensive cash grab upgrade is ridiculous to me.