Race change token is disappointing...

Alleon · February 2019

Sooo much BS in here.

First of all, if ure soo meta that u need that super specific race you should make urself familiar with how race change token works! ZOS didnt secretly change how the token work. If you didnt have any race any alliance u wouldnt be able to change to any race before even when u paid for the damn thing. It was always working that way.

Secondly When u created a toon u didnt have a chance to pick any race in the first place why do u think u should be allowed to do just that now? The argument here might be that at creation of the toon u just could pick another alliance coz of ur so meta choices. While yes that true but You should have taken into account that this is an mmo and the game is constantly changing.

And besides Im pretty sure most of us guys who bought any race any alliance either with cash or with gold via gift we dont want u to get free stuff that we had to pay for.

xxthir13enxx · February 2019

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

kmcaj · February 2019

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

Yes, exactly. I agree with you that the naming of the change race token is misleading.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2019

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You know, you'd think people would invest in it anyways with I don't know...

The new incoming Necromancer class? Having access to all those races? Having some free race/name change tokens already in your pocket? Like... Right now it's a perfect opportunity for these people to educate themselves in a constructive manner. INSTEAD... Here we are discussing business ethic practices that dozens of MMOs have practiced over the last two to three decades. I literally can't even right now. I even bought the new Apple product iCan't because there's not enough even to go around right now.

Feanor · February 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

It isn’t. I’m not going to race change any of my characters other than one Dunmer DK to Nord, and that for other reasons than optimal race. I still will get to where I want flawlessly.

Seriously, these type of analogies never make sense.

xxthir13enxx · February 2019

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2019

Also, why are we race changing cars now?

fioskal · February 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

But it's not. No race change was major enough to invalidate your old race. We are talking a few percent worse at worst. The average player won't even notice the difference. The 'old meta' still works perfectly fine.

Feanor · February 2019

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Also, why are we race changing cars now?

I’ll take a Porsche 911 in that case.

Bam_Bam · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

I love the game.

kmcaj wrote: »

I don't care about any of it.

True

haelene · February 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

Okay, fine. I'm not objecting. That's cherry picking my argument though, and redirecting the conversation to a different topic. The point is, getting ARAA is not on the table as of this moment and the token is not misleading just because it doesn't offer ARAA.

If the OP wants ARAA for free, they should just say so instead of hiding behind this "misleading" bit about a free thing they received. We would be having a different conversation then and I would agree.

kmcaj · February 2019

Feanor wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Also, why are we race changing cars now?

I’ll take a Porsche 911 in that case.

No because that car name is misleading because it doesn't call 911 in an emergency unless you buy the upgrade.

xxthir13enxx · February 2019

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

It isn’t. I’m not going to race change any of my characters other than one Dunmer DK to Nord, and that for other reasons than optimal race. I still will get to where I want flawlessly.

Seriously, these type of analogies never make sense.

fioskal wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

But it's not. No race change was major enough to invalidate your old race. We are talking a few percent worse at worst. The average player won't even notice the difference. The 'old meta' still works perfectly fine.

You aren’t....It doesn’t affect You
Who has the sense of Entitlement!?
It apparently Does affect others!
So Why Does it Matter to You
That they’d get free access to things to make Their game more enjoyable to Them !?

JWillCHS · February 2019

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

JWillCHS wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.

This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.

You don't care about the story? Your choice.

Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.

Your argument that some make believe story justifies having to buy an expensive cash grab upgrade is ridiculous to me.

You are in a make believe game... why would you think for a moment that the make believe story wouldn't apply?

I kind of agree with you. At the same time remember the launch of ESO? Considering the narrative, traditional fans of TES were not happy with the options ZoS was giving players since the Elder Scrolls never gave us restrictions like this before.

So people voiced their opinion with ZoS replying with a no over and over.

But instead of giving people the Imperial race or just making all races available regardless of the faction at not cost to us, we were told that it required additional purchases. And the Imperial race was locked behind a special edition SKU too.

For ZoS it wasn't "damned if we do and damned if we don't". They sought to make a profit whether it was planned from the start or a couple months before April 2014.

I appreciate the tokens but come on y'all...

Just think about it. The CEO of EA and Activision both make roughly $30 million a year; a salary approved by board members.

You're telling me Zenimax and/or a subsidiary can't afford to have these digital assets come with game at no additional cost?

I'm a lore nut when it comes to TES. But there are too many examples in ESO today where race doesn't and shouldn't matter. Even at launch there were Imperials in Cyrodiil wanting to reclaim their land from Molag Bal.

Once ZoS monetized it then the racial choices became an issue. They should have just stuck to their guns if Alliance loyalty and personality was that important.

But Zenimax had no control over what Bethesda did lore-wise. The other stuff happens with many MMOs. So there's not much of an issue. Either purchase the unlock or get stuck with your alliance races. It's not a big deal. The world isn't going to come to an end. You can even pay for it with in game gold.

Michae wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

This thread is still going? Come on.

I'll give you that if you only care about meta and they changed races around, then not being able to change into any race sucks. Should they give that option? Maybe.

Still, you cannot say that the description of the token is misleading since it literally says that you have to have this other upgrade to change into any race other than the ones from alliance. You not reading descriptions isn't really anybody's fault but yours.

Maybe try submitting a ticket and complain about it directly to ZOS support instead of salting it out with forum users here?

No. I'm just going to complain here.

Complain about what? You not reading descriptions?

The name of the Change Race Token being purposely misleading.

You must get mislead a lot since you're not reading decriptions. And what were you mislead into? You didn't pay for anything. You didn't have to do anything. You got the item, the item has a particular description, you didn't read it. That's all.

This is the part that's absolutely makes no sense. He got them for free, yet it doesn't do what HE wants it to do. So it's obviously shady business.

I'm seriously hoping Nerf Sorc threads come back. At least those arguments made half-sense.

Zenimax Media owns Zenimax Online Studios, Bethseda Game Studios, and Bethesda Softworks. The lore in ESO is not mentioned in any previous game. They just gave a reason why the Amulet of Kings went missing with a narrative centered around a convoluted Daedric invasion. Both ZoS and BGS collaborated together to create these events which have wildly gone off track.

Dragons again? For real? Some mothaf!cka claiming he's the Nerevarine? Lore is something they're not worried about.

First. I am not saying people shouldn't have to pay but just giving you a history of why this is a topic we are ultimately discussing again. I've played MMORPGs where classes and races were locked based on certain criteria. I just understand why people think the "live service" business model is being stretched for no reason.

Hey, but I could be a hypocrite since I've had the option to play the Imperials and any race since launch. Back then I was still stuck on the whole, "a subscription is needed to maintain quality" BS. I mean..that's what they told me in 1999 with Asheron's Call. Although it was probably more true 20 years ago.

Michae · February 2019

This thread is kinda pointless now. It just goes:

-"The race change token is misleading."

-"No it isn't. Read the description."

-"I don't read descriptions, all the info should be in the name of a token. Also I got misled by getting this thing for free, the thing that I didn't have to get."

-"That's just silly, read the description."

-"No, I don't read descriptions. I got misled."

-"..."

What more can you say? What's your goal here? I'm not even calling you out that we shouldn't be given an option to change alliance with that token. You are right here although I think you're inventing a problem here. If meta is just so important to you and you don't care about quests you can just reroll char and get it to level 50 in no time. But you talking about a free item being misleading is just stupid since there's no way you can be mislead into it, you're not buying it. Change your record, man, you're acting silly.

Faulgor · February 2019

Come on guys, didn't you pay attention in the introductory course for your Internet User Licence?
Don't feed the trolls.

haelene · February 2019

Faulgor wrote: »

Come on guys, didn't you pay attention in the introductory course for your Internet User Licence?
Don't feed the trolls.

Damnit.

You're right.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2019

fioskal wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

But it's not. No race change was major enough to invalidate your old race. We are talking a few percent worse at worst. The average player won't even notice the difference. The 'old meta' still works perfectly fine.

This^

I'm not changing my Altmer Sorc. I love her the way she is even if she's not the meta. I'm not race changing my Dunmer Nightblade. She's never been the meta and she just might be this time (I have no idea, as I don't play her conventionally).

The only one I race changed was my Redguard "Magicka" Sorc. Because when I first JOINED this game (back in the release of TU), I thought she'd do well as that. And she did for a time. She didn't have super high DPS, but she performed well enough in mechanics to do what needed to be done. I didn't HAVE to change her. I wanted to. Even now she's not the meta. So it's still not a big deal.

Feanor · February 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

It isn’t. I’m not going to race change any of my characters other than one Dunmer DK to Nord, and that for other reasons than optimal race. I still will get to where I want flawlessly.

Seriously, these type of analogies never make sense.

fioskal wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

KommandantViy wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.

Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.

Actually it is more like if...
Someone has given you a new car
And delivered it right to your driveway
Right behind your old car...
Only the New car has no gas...
Now....you have access to both...
But neither are beneficial unless
You spend $20 on gas...

The Race Alliance lock should of left with One Tamriel...
It’s silly...

The old car runs well enough though still.

Doesn’t get you where you want to go since new car is blocking the way...

But it's not. No race change was major enough to invalidate your old race. We are talking a few percent worse at worst. The average player won't even notice the difference. The 'old meta' still works perfectly fine.

You aren’t....It doesn’t affect You
Who has the sense of Entitlement!?
It apparently Does affect others!
So Why Does it Matter to You
That they’d get free access to things to make Their game more enjoyable to Them !?

Yeah, I get it. We all like free things. Life isn’t a wishing well though, and constructing a topic instead of simply saying something should be free because, why not, is the only thing that’s shady here.

Seraphayel · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

The change race token is very misleading.

No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

So you have two choices;
Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance

Roll a new toon

If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

Yes it is misleading.

For someone who regularly sniffes glue maybe.

There's a lot of ground between abusing glue and a finding a token called change race that only let's you choose a couple options out of many misleading.

You're handed a $5 gift card for a shop. With that gift card you can go into the shop and pick whatever you want for $5 or less and get it for free. If they just have two pair of socks that cost $5 or less that's totally fine because your coupon didn't state anything about "having access to over thousand products in our sortiment for free". When you expect to get everything for free with your $5 gift card the blame is on you and not the store because it doesn't sell bikes, cars or tools for $5 or less. So if you want to get some of the expensive stuff you have to pay on top of the $5 gift card or stick to the things that cost less than that. Easy as that.

The only thing misleading here are your tries to make something look like misleading when in reality it's not.

Seraphayel · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

The change race token is very misleading.

No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

So you have two choices;
Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance

Roll a new toon

If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

Yes it is misleading.

Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';

mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
/ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
adjective
giving the wrong idea or impression.
"your article contains a number of misleading statements"
synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;

There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;

"This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."

Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.

So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.

Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.

Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.

You can race change. But instead of having the option to choose between 9 other races you just have the choice between 2. In the end you can still race change.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

kmcaj · February 2019

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

Okay, fine. I'm not objecting. That's cherry picking my argument though, and redirecting the conversation to a different topic. The point is, getting ARAA is not on the table as of this moment and the token is not misleading just because it doesn't offer ARAA.

If the OP wants ARAA for free, they should just say so instead of hiding behind this "misleading" bit about a free thing they received. We would be having a different conversation then and I would agree.

No. I just want to change race to another race other than the two I have choice of with the free misleadingly named Change Race Token without having to purchase anything else to use the free Change Race Token to do it. I don't care about other stuff.

klowdy1 · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

This thread is still going? Come on.

I'll give you that if you only care about meta and they changed races around, then not being able to change into any race sucks. Should they give that option? Maybe.

Still, you cannot say that the description of the token is misleading since it literally says that you have to have this other upgrade to change into any race other than the ones from alliance. You not reading descriptions isn't really anybody's fault but yours.

Maybe try submitting a ticket and complain about it directly to ZOS support instead of salting it out with forum users here?

No. I'm just going to complain here.

Complain about what? You not reading descriptions?

The name of the Change Race Token being purposely misleading.

It's not misleading.

Again, it does exactly what it said it does. What you want is the added functionality of any race any alliance. Again added functionality. You're assuming the added functionality that it in no way claims to have. If you can't make a DC Altmer in the character creation screen, what makes you think you could do it with a race change token?

On top of that, if any race any alliance didn't exist at all, the functionality of the token would remain the same. It's not the token you're mad about. You're upset you're not getting the additional functionality of a paid feature.

No. I was annoyed that something called Change Race Token that I was given for free only gives option to change to two other races unless you purchase an upgrade. I find this business practice shady and I find the naming of the token misleading.

They could have just not given anything at all. Would that be better, or worse?

Zedrian · February 2019

Remove racial passives altogether. Problem solved.

Temeraire507 · February 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

I was one of the persons bringing that to the table and I will still defend it.

In my opinion they should add ARAA into the base game and imperial into the base game as well. People who bought it had early access other didn't have it.

But as long as they do not do this giving the race change tokens the ability to change into any race even if you don not own ARAA is a no go to me. It is just a matter of fairness.

And btw I don't have ARAA

kmcaj · February 2019

klowdy1 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

This thread is still going? Come on.

I'll give you that if you only care about meta and they changed races around, then not being able to change into any race sucks. Should they give that option? Maybe.

Still, you cannot say that the description of the token is misleading since it literally says that you have to have this other upgrade to change into any race other than the ones from alliance. You not reading descriptions isn't really anybody's fault but yours.

Maybe try submitting a ticket and complain about it directly to ZOS support instead of salting it out with forum users here?

No. I'm just going to complain here.

Complain about what? You not reading descriptions?

The name of the Change Race Token being purposely misleading.

It's not misleading.

Again, it does exactly what it said it does. What you want is the added functionality of any race any alliance. Again added functionality. You're assuming the added functionality that it in no way claims to have. If you can't make a DC Altmer in the character creation screen, what makes you think you could do it with a race change token?

On top of that, if any race any alliance didn't exist at all, the functionality of the token would remain the same. It's not the token you're mad about. You're upset you're not getting the additional functionality of a paid feature.

No. I was annoyed that something called Change Race Token that I was given for free only gives option to change to two other races unless you purchase an upgrade. I find this business practice shady and I find the naming of the token misleading.

They could have just not given anything at all. Would that be better, or worse?

Neither better or worse.

haelene · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

Okay, fine. I'm not objecting. That's cherry picking my argument though, and redirecting the conversation to a different topic. The point is, getting ARAA is not on the table as of this moment and the token is not misleading just because it doesn't offer ARAA.

If the OP wants ARAA for free, they should just say so instead of hiding behind this "misleading" bit about a free thing they received. We would be having a different conversation then and I would agree.

No. I just want to change race to another race other than the two I have choice of with the free misleadingly named Change Race Token without having to purchase anything else to use the free Change Race Token to do it. I don't care about other stuff.

You're literally describing ARAA.

That's the feature you want. Any race any alliance. That's what would allow you to change into another race outside of your current alliance. I'm not sure what you mean about "other stuff". There is no other stuff.

The token isn't limiting your choices. The fact you don't have any race any alliance is.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2019

Michae wrote: »

This thread is kinda pointless now. It just goes:

-"The race change token is misleading."

-"No it isn't. Read the description."

-"I don't read descriptions, all the info should be in the name of a token. Also I got misled by getting this thing for free, the thing that I didn't have to get."

-"That's just silly, read the description."

-"No, I don't read descriptions. I got misled."

-"..."

What more can you say? What's your goal here? I'm not even calling you out that we shouldn't be given an option to change alliance with that token. You are right here although I think you're inventing a problem here. If meta is just so important to you and you don't care about quests you can just reroll char and get it to level 50 in no time. But you talking about a free item being misleading is just stupid since there's no way you can be mislead into it, you're not buying it. Change your record, man, you're acting silly.

Pffft. Pointless? I'm getting free Necromancer exp in by helping resurrect the dead horse that we race changed from a car! If only the Dwemer made a muffin button.

JWillCHS · February 2019

Zedrian wrote: »

Remove racial passives altogether. Problem solved.

I can get behind this.

kmcaj · February 2019

haelene wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

As for people getting something for Free that You paid for...
You just paid for Early Access...
Just like everyone who bought Morrowind etc etc etc

I’ve always had access to All the races...it really is not necessary for there to be a lock.

Are they doing away with ARAA and incorporating it into the base game? No?

Well then, the token is just fine. It's not misleading and does exactly what it says it does.

No one is objecting to it becoming a non-paid feature, as you seem to be suggesting. We're objecting to the fact that people assumed this free item that they were given was going to allow them to circumvent the rules and are now making the false claim that the race change token is misleading because it doesn't give you the functionality of a, as of this moment, paid additional feature.

You may not be objecting...but Might help if you read all the posts about Entitlement and “getting something that I paid for” posts.

Okay, fine. I'm not objecting. That's cherry picking my argument though, and redirecting the conversation to a different topic. The point is, getting ARAA is not on the table as of this moment and the token is not misleading just because it doesn't offer ARAA.

If the OP wants ARAA for free, they should just say so instead of hiding behind this "misleading" bit about a free thing they received. We would be having a different conversation then and I would agree.

No. I just want to change race to another race other than the two I have choice of with the free misleadingly named Change Race Token without having to purchase anything else to use the free Change Race Token to do it. I don't care about other stuff.

You're literally describing ARAA.

That's the feature you want. Any race any alliance. That's what would allow you to change into another race outside of your current alliance. I'm not sure what you mean about "other stuff". There is no other stuff.

The token isn't limiting your choices. The fact you don't have any race any alliance is.

No I don't care about alliance. I just want to use Change Race token to change race with more than the 2 other options that I have. Any or no alliance is fine for me. Whatever works. Just want to change race.