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Race change token is disappointing...

  • Iluvrien
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....

    Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".

    Good luck with everything.

    I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.

    Um. You're playing this game WHY?

    Nev'mind. I don't want to know.

    I love the game.

    No. You don't. You love the gameplay. The purely mechanical aspects of moving an avatar around in the game space.

    The game includes everything. The gameplay and the narrative/lore aspects. How can you say you love the game as a whole when you pay no attention whatsoever (by your own admission) to significant components of it?

    The point @Sylvermynx was making stands. Why this game? When the setting and background obviously mean so little to you?
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    The change race token is very misleading.

    No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

    So you have two choices;
    1. Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
    2. Roll a new toon

    If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

    Yes it is misleading.

    Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';
    mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
    /ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
    adjective
    giving the wrong idea or impression.
    "your article contains a number of misleading statements"
    synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;

    There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;

    "This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."

    Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.

    So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.

    Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.

    Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.

    You weren't misled into anything. Not only that;

    You didn't purchase the token to begin with.

    It was given to you, for free, because of incoming racial changes. If you don't have the upgrades, that's not their problem. Just because YOU feel misled doesn't mean it's misleading. The majority of ESO players understood what it was and how it worked; even when it was explained to us through numerous developer posts and streams.

    They're not going to change it because a very small few couldn't take the time to open google, search what it did, and then respond accordingly. It's not rocket science.

    If you can't choose Breton under the Aldmeri Dominion when you're creating a character, what makes you think the race change token gives you any special privileges above that? It's literally been this way since it was released. Your ignorance doesn't prove that it was misleading in any way shape or form. The only misleading thing here is whether or not you're a serious poster or not.
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  • heaven13
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Edaphon wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    The change race token is very misleading.

    No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

    So you have two choices;
    1. Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
    2. Roll a new toon

    If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

    Yes it is misleading.

    For someone who regularly sniffes glue maybe.

    There's a lot of ground between abusing glue and a finding a token called change race that only let's you choose a couple options out of many misleading.

    It's not misleading if you've familiarized yourself with the game. You don't need to have read a 300-page dissertation or spent hours on lore sites.
    • When you create a character, you choose a race. That race determines your alliance, which is color-coded in columns and everything. Changing to a race in a separate column changes your alliance.
    • When you look at the crown store, there is no way to purchase an alliance change token. Once you create a character, it is permanently locked to its alliance.
    Thus a character locked to AD will stay AD and without Any Race, Any Alliance (which disables the alliance-locked races), a race change token restricts you to your color/alliance column.

    I'm not sure why a race change token would make you think you would have access to a paid account upgrade. You also cannot choose Imperials if you do not own that account upgrade. Just like when you get a new character slot, you cannot create a warden if you don't own that class.
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  • kmcaj
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    I don't need to be as invested as someone else in stories and lore and such. Just like in real life there are stories and events happening all over that I have no knowledge of or interest in. I've found my place in the game and I enjoy it.
  • Itzmichi
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    Man, do me a favor. I'll make a Kickstarter campaign for ya, to get some Ingame gold, to buy you some nice exp boost and then I'll pay someone to level you up till 50,so you stop talking crazy.
    Here, have a chill pill 💊!
  • Bouldercleave
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....

    Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".

    Good luck with everything.

    I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it..


    And it is at this exact moment that you lost most of us here.

  • Girl_Number8
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    entitled brats

    You mean Zos right? :o
  • Xahfar
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  • kmcaj
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....

    Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".

    Good luck with everything.

    I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it..


    And it is at this exact moment that you lost most of us here.

    Little to do with a race change token not letting me change to a race I want to play. Could care less about alliance, switch that too if necessary, just switch the race.

    Don't care what alliance I picked year ago. I picked the race I liked. The race I liked was changed and I was given free change race tokens. I thought I could use them to switch my race. Found out there was only two options and none of them interest me. Found out is possible to switch to a race I would want to play but would have to buy an upgrade. I think that having to upgrade to use a change race token to have more choice of race is a shady business practice.

    Questioning why I play a game or that I skip through game dialogue and don't read in game books does not have anything to do with this.

    Reading a story about some war isn't going to address why I can't use a change race token to change to a race I want without purchasing another upgrade.
  • Bouldercleave
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    Kinda like talking to a brick...
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    Kinda like talking to a brick...

    At this point, I'm almost wondering if they're baiting/trolling.
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  • CleymenZero
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    entitled brats

    Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

    Definition of anti-consumer: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers.

    Merriam-Webster definition of anti-consumer. ZOS went from offering 1 token and no name change, to offering 3, and including 3 name change tokens. They also ran sales on the tokens in the store. Not to mention they just recently gifted us the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward, and the Summerset event gave us several nice free things for minimal effort. I would hardly call that being anti-consumer.

    That's an opinion of someone that has a different context. How many toons do you actively play in pve and pvp?

    Do you do any competitive or even mildly challenging content (casual vMoL, casual Crags HM etc.)?

    What is the hardest content you have completed?

    All these question are not to discredit you in any way, they are to set the context. Someone who thinks what is happening is reasonable has a different context.

    I am on the complete opposite side. I don't call 16% and 20% off a sale. It's not entitlement, they created an expense for me. Although I like the changes, I didn't need them just as I don't necessarily need to change ALL my characters but those changes costing me money is not OK. Find another way to make me spend....
  • VaranisArano
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    Heh, here's hoping this thread doesn't get closed like the first one.

    I think its worth looking at what the Race Change Token actually says in the Crown Store.
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    See anything that isn't obvious?

    Yeah, its not 100% obvious or spelled out that you need the Adventurer's Pack in order to race change to a race outside of your alliance. In fact, this is a recurring thread on the forums that causes confusion for players, and has been since at least 2016 that I could find old threads bringing up this question. This is one of those things that seems obvious, but actually isn't 100% obvious for many players.

    I suggest that text be changed to something that makes it clearer how the token actually functions, like:

    "This token allows you to change the race and appearance of 1 character to any race of the same faction. Buy the Adventurer's Pack or Imperial Upgrade to obtain more races.
  • Sheezabeast
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    entitled brats

    Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

    Definition of anti-consumer: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers.

    Merriam-Webster definition of anti-consumer. ZOS went from offering 1 token and no name change, to offering 3, and including 3 name change tokens. They also ran sales on the tokens in the store. Not to mention they just recently gifted us the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward, and the Summerset event gave us several nice free things for minimal effort. I would hardly call that being anti-consumer.

    That's an opinion of someone that has a different context. How many toons do you actively play in pve and pvp?

    Do you do any competitive or even mildly challenging content (casual vMoL, casual Crags HM etc.)?

    What is the hardest content you have completed?

    All these question are not to discredit you in any way, they are to set the context. Someone who thinks what is happening is reasonable has a different context.

    I am on the complete opposite side. I don't call 16% and 20% off a sale. It's not entitlement, they created an expense for me. Although I like the changes, I didn't need them just as I don't necessarily need to change ALL my characters but those changes costing me money is not OK. Find another way to make me spend....

    I've played since Beta, I've accomplished a lot in my time in ESO, through a lot of hard work and time. I don't want to or like to toot my own horn, but I have accomplished some of the hardest content in this game in both PVE and PVP, including veteran trials, Emperor, Grand Master Crafter, Explorer achievement, to name a few. I have 15/15 characters, only 2 of them being lowbies.

    I've experienced the game from the perspective of someone who played sporadically, and played daily. I've experienced the game from the perspective of someone who played mostly solo, to someone who is involved in multiple guilds with Officer roles and other high ranks in others. I've been poor, and I've had plenty of gold. What context am I missing?
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  • Sheezabeast
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    Tia413 wrote: »

    ZOS literally just increased everyone's character slots by one, did you not know? How could someone not have that available, since it was just given to us?

    O.O @Sheezabeast When did this happen and where do I find the post or announcement of this?

    Ok I made a mistake here and I own it. It was discussed in the Elswyer ESO Live thing and I assumed it would be in update 21. It looks like it will be given in June with Necromancer release. I jumped the gun on that. I'm sorry, I genuinely thought it was for update 21, but it will be in June with Necro release.
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  • Iluvrien
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Reading a story about some war isn't going to address why I can't use a change race token to change to a race I want without purchasing another upgrade.

    Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.

    This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.

    You don't care about the story? Your choice.

    Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.
  • Olupajmibanan
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    I really don't get it. I bring this up in every Any Race Any Alliance thread:

    What's the matter guys. Adventurers pack costs 570000 gold on PC EU, probably less if you find a cheap dealer. You can make that much gold in a single week. Making gold in this game is ridiculously easy so whats the matter?
  • Uviryth
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    Oh my god, same happened to me at McDonalds. I had a coupon for a free BigMac because I had to wait at the Drive In. When I wanted to cash it in, they gave me a BigMac......just a BigMac........
    I immediately asked the manager why he wouldnt give me his car too, since I´m entitled to it. They threw me out and called the cops.
    I think we should team up and start a class action lawsuit! This anti-consumerismbehavior cant go on like that!
    Edited by Uviryth on February 26, 2019 8:19AM
  • zaria
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    The real problem with race change is that you loose your old racials >:)
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • MrRudiculous
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    Kinda like talking to a brick...

    Even a brick will be more understanding than this guy.
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  • Mayrael
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    The change race token is very misleading.

    No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

    So you have two choices;
    1. Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
    2. Roll a new toon

    If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

    Yes it is misleading.

    Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';
    mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
    /ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
    adjective
    giving the wrong idea or impression.
    "your article contains a number of misleading statements"
    synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;

    There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;

    "This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."

    Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.

    So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.

    Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.

    Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.

    And you can change race to the ones available to you. It's like with reservation of seats in a plane. If you payed for second class seats then you can't switch your seat for business class, you have what you paid for. Giving you an option to choose from all races would be unfair vs all the players who bought the upgrade.

    Also saying "I don't read anything" is just a shot in your own foot. When you sign up an agreement it doesn't matter will you read it or not, you are obligated to fulfill it. Not knowing the law can't save you from punishment etc. etc.
    Edited by Mayrael on February 26, 2019 8:41AM
    I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.
  • kmcaj
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    Iluvrien wrote: »
    Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.

    This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.

    You don't care about the story? Your choice.

    Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.

    Your argument that some make believe story justifies having to buy an expensive cash grab upgrade is ridiculous to me.
    Edited by kmcaj on February 26, 2019 11:26AM
  • Reistr_the_Unbroken
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Um.... you need to read up on the Three Banners War so you have a basic idea how the game works....

    Now, I don't go all faction crap myself - but then, I don't expect to change a Bosmer to an Orc or Redguard either. There are things about the game that are actually set in stone - unless you want to pay to "remove that stone".

    Good luck with everything.

    I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.

    Um. You're playing this game WHY?

    Nev'mind. I don't want to know.

    I love the game.
    Says they love the game but pays absolutely no attention to lore XDD
  • kmcaj
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Reading a story about some war isn't going to address why I can't use a change race token to change to a race I want without purchasing another upgrade.

    Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.

    This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.

    You don't care about the story? Your choice.

    Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.[/quote]
    Mayrael wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    kmcaj wrote: »
    The change race token is very misleading.

    No. It isn't. You chose an alliance when you rolled your character. You do NOT have any unlocks for the token to choose from. You just have the base game's ruleset of choices. This isn't misleading. If you're going through saying "you don't need to read anything", you're mistaken. You -DO- need to read things because what you're stating is misleading is in-fact not.

    So you have two choices;
    1. Purchase Any Race/Any Alliance
    2. Roll a new toon

    If you don't want to pick up the upgrade, then you don't need to use the race change token. It's that simple.

    Yes it is misleading.

    Let's look at the definition of 'misleading';
    mis·lead·ing - Dictionary result for misleading
    /ˌmisˈlēdiNG/
    adjective
    giving the wrong idea or impression.
    "your article contains a number of misleading statements"
    synonyms: deceptive, confusing, deceiving, equivocal, ambiguous, fallacious, specious, spurious, false, mock, pseudo, illusory, delusive, evasive;

    There is no wrong idea or impression on how the token has worked in the past, nor does it have any misleading text on how it works NOW. It's always been this way. You claiming that you don't have to listen or read anything suggests that you're ignorant on the game's setting and how it affects the mechanics of the game within. They're not responsible for you making yourself aware of how these mechanics work as it is IMPLIED when you first fire up the game. It is IMPLIED when you choose an alliance. And finally IT IS IMPLIED when you choose your race. From the race change description;

    "This token enables change of a player character's race on the character selection screen."

    Character selection screen is what you have UNLOCKED. If you don't have Any Race/Any Alliance, it's not misleading. You don't have those things, so you don't get to choose those things.

    So you have your choices. Purchase the upgrade or roll a new toon. It's not misleading. It never has been misleading.

    Edit; Furthermore, if you try and roll a new character and you can't use that race in that alliance, then it stands to reason that the same can be applied to the race change token. Either way you want to look at it, it's not misleading. It's not ZoS's responsibility that you remain blissfully ignorant of the Three Banners War, nor is it their responsibility to remind you that this mechanic exists because of how often you may or may not be in the character creation screen.

    Sure it is. I mislead to believe that I could change race with change race token.

    And you can change race to the ones available to you. It's like with reservation of seats in a plane. If you payed for second class seats then you can't switch your seat for business class, you have what you paid for. Giving you an option to choose from all races would be unfair vs all the players who bought the upgrade.

    Also saying "I don't read anything" is just a shot in your own foot. When you sign up an agreement it doesn't matter will you read it or not, you are obligated to fulfill it. Not knowing the law can't save you from punishment etc. etc.

    I don't read story text in-game. Nothing to do with my complaint. ESO doesn't have anything to do with airplanes. Even though I know how the Race Change works now, I still think the naming of the token is misleading.
  • AbysmalGhul
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    Not really misleading. You can techinically change into another race...just not the one you were hoping for.
  • kmcaj
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    Not really misleading. You can techinically change into another race...just not the one you were hoping for.

    lol, not misleading because technically...
  • AbysmalGhul
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Not really misleading. You can techinically change into another race...just not the one you were hoping for.

    lol, not misleading because technically...

    It's true regardless how you feel about it. I don't see it named " Change into any race"
  • Feanor
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    This thread somehow reminds me of the people who deliberately bring rats to the hotel so that they can get a discount. Of all things you might want to criticize about the business practice ZOS shows their handling of the race change tokens is fine in this case.
    Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:
    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
    All chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.
  • LordTareq
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    Obviously the token should also allow you to pick a new alliance so you get access to the race you want to change to. That this isn't done is mind-baffling to me.
  • Iluvrien
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    kmcaj wrote: »
    Iluvrien wrote: »
    Yes it is going to address it. That is exactly what it does do.

    This game launched with the Three Banners War as the backdrop. As such, the design decision to limit players to the three races in each alliance (except for pre-orders at that time) was specifically made because of that narrative reason. That is why there are an equal number of races in each faction.

    You don't care about the story? Your choice.

    Your claim that it doesn't inform your current complaint? Factually incorrect.

    Your argument that some make believe story justifies having to buy an expensive cash grab upgrade is ridiculous to me.

    You are in a make believe game... why would you think for a moment that the make believe story wouldn't apply?
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